Argue with vatniks over trains

[SilentDuck]

Who said day drinking while playing 'Ticket To Ride' could never result in a great war thread? I can smell the New Castle through my screen.

 

[Doctor Love]

I am just in constant awe at some of the statements which people have come out with.

So far we have - from the context - run sorties over your own railway, under the suspicion that a train may be full of soldiers (which they just "know" because ??? Russia has no Opsec and Poland has perfect omnipotent knowledge of the entire European continent) - imagine trying to explain that one to the pilot. Or worse, trying to cover your ass when you just shredded a commuter train.

And even if you're right - well, you just shredded a bunch of Russian soldiers. The rest of them will be very eager to meet you.


Here is the point of view from everyone who this train would pass through:

 

[AgendaPoster]

 

[Doctor Love]

reactions are not an argument

 

[Whatevermancer]

Trains are fucking fast.

Nah, trains are rather slow, you can expect something like 70 km/h from a train, which will take it about a day to reach Berlin from Kiev.

And your railway engineer, who is obviously able to handle the intense pressure

Yes, given that working on the railroad involves all kind of accidents that you need to be prepared for.

Europe is not full of combat ready, experienced soldiers.

Again, in this case why do you need this gay OP with a train? Just invade normally, send out troops on trucks over the border. The border patrol won't be ready to deal with them anyway.

Sacrifice yourself for us, Jan. I need you to do this.

"Yeah, bro, mind your business, this is not your problem, except the soldiers are in your country, looting your shops and houses and telling your government what it's supposed to do or else."

under the suspicion that a train may be full of soldiers (which they just "know" because ???

Because there are satellites? Because there is border control for international trains, so if a train just barrels through without stopping, you know that it's a threat? They probably have means to prevent such a train from going further, such as switches redirecting it into a dead end.

The rest of them will be very eager to meet you.

They're already eager to meet you.

 

[Doctor Love]

Nah, trains are rather slow, you can expect something like 70 km/h from a train, which will take it about a day to reach Berlin from Kiev.

Yes, given that working on the railroad involves all kind of accidents that you need to be prepared for.

Again, in this case why do you need this gay OP with a train? Just invade normally, send out troops on trucks over the border. The border patrol won't be ready to deal with them anyway.

"Yeah, bro, mind your business, this is not your problem, except the soldiers are in your country, looting your shops and houses and telling your government what it's supposed to do or else."

Because there are satellites? Because there is border control for international trains, so if a train just barrels through without stopping, you know that it's a threat? They probably have means to prevent such a train from going further, such as switches redirecting it into a dead end.

They're already eager to meet you.

Because why would you need a full invasion when a few trains could do the job? Pay attention bro, why tf would you need a full invasion force if there's no need for it?

- all kinds of accidents, including "getting stripped and beaten to death by enemy combatants while completely unarmed"? Fr man? Would YOU do this, in your job? This isn't Call of Duty, you're condemning civilian contractors to death because you were underprepared.

Even police officers would stand down in the face of this. Most soldiers would, too. This would require a mechanised infantry battalion to stand up to it to have any chance of containing it. So you would need to organise a mechanised infantry battalion, and throw their mechanics the railway equipment. This may work - but how far away is this battalion, and what's their response time like?

- My shops? For my entire life, I have been told insultingly that I don't have a country, and that it's racist to call it my country. My entire existence is to provide extra value for shareholders, no more.

Polish satellites? Border control? In the EU??

What fucking world are you living in?

What trains travel at 40mph? They're 70-120mph, so around 120-180km/h

 

[SilentDuck]

So far we have - from the context - run sorties over your own railway, under the suspicion that a train may be full of soldiers (which they just "know" because ??? Russia has no Opsec and Poland has perfect omnipotent knowledge of the entire European continent) - imagine trying to explain that one to the pilot. Or worse, trying to cover your ass when you just shredded a commuter train.

And even if you're right - well, you just shredded a bunch of Russian soldiers. The rest of them will be very eager to meet you.


Here is the point of view from everyone who this train would pass through:

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If the 300+ vatnik train is disguised as a trolley or tram as pictured no one will ever see this coming. Classic маскировка!

 

[Whatevermancer]

Because why would you need a full invasion when a few trains could do the job?

I'm not suggesting a "full invasion", I'm also suggesting something like 300 people on trucks. And APCs. Cause we've already assumed that Europe has no army.

all kinds of accidents, including "getting stripped and beaten to death by enemy combatants while completely unarmed"? Fr man? Would YOU do this, in your job? This isn't Call of Duty, you're condemning civilian contractors to death because you were underprepared.

I mean, accident that might cost you your life if you make a mistake. Also, I still don't understand why you're assuming that the only way to install a derailer is right in front of the coming train. It's not like there's only 1 railway mechanic that'll have to drive there on his car, there are hundreds of junctions with personell and equipment. Trains are also slow and predictable, so they should have enough time.

Polish satellites? Border control? In the EU??

I dunno which satellites the EU has, but I'm sure Murrica will let them know if it notices something suspicious. Also, Ukraine is not in the EU, and now that I think about it, if it's captured by Russia, all train movement from Ukraine to EU will be stopped.

 

[Doctor Love]

I'm not suggesting a "full invasion", I'm also suggesting something like 300 people on trucks. And APCs. Cause we've already assumed that Europe has no army.

I mean, accident that might cost you your life if you make a mistake. Also, I still don't understand why you're assuming that the only way to install a derailer is right in front of the coming train. It's not like there's only 1 railway mechanic that'll have to drive there on his car, there are hundreds of junctions with personell and equipment. Trains are also slow and predictable, so they should have enough time.

I dunno which satellites the EU has, but I'm sure Murrica will let them know if it notices something suspicious. Also, Ukraine is not in the EU, and now that I think about it, if it's captured by Russia, all train movement from Ukraine to EU will be stopped.

Okay.

Here is the railway border between Poland and Ukraine. Explain how you would stop all rail transport - from your current point of view. How would you contact the Polish authorities and inform them that Russia may use a train, from Ukraine, and they should pre-emptively place cannons on the track to gun down everyone who may cross this bridge.

Notice how there isn't any security, and there is a gigantic forest on the Ukrainian side. Please explain how you would be able to know, hours in advance, of a train coming out of that forest on these (mostly empty) tracks.
Having checked, these tracks are usually only used for imports/exports of heavy goods, like iron ore - so this is actually broad gauge.

Broad gauge, like Russian trains. This means that although it doesn't cross into Germany, this exact train line (mostly empty, due to inactivity) has no traffic, it is not electrified, passes by Lublin, through Krakow and into Katowice.

So you would see a normal looking train crossing that bridge. You would not see Russian flags, Russian soldiers - hell, it could even have a few tanks covered in tarp on it - it could have missiles, armoured cars, and hundreds if not thousands of men on-board. Those freight trains are miles long, and move a lot of weight. And contrary to popular belief, these trains obey the laws of physics - so you can't just flop a penny onto the track and watch it fly into space. Both the train itself, and the track, are very durable.

This train would be exceeding 90mph at its peak. This train could run the entire length of the train line in less than 3 hours. This train would not be able to be shut down remotely. You would need to somehow notice it, identify it, muster the materials to confront it and fight an entire train full of armed soldiers before it reaches anything major.

Now - I am not an unreasonable man. I am hoping that this photo is outdated - I would imagine that Poland has shored up its border defenses since Google Maps shows absolutely no watchtowers, no cameras or anything of the sort for several miles on the Polish side.

Similarly, Belarus has the opposite situation - rather than a broad-gauge Soviet track running into Poland, there is an EU track running into Belarus. On the Belarussian side.

Now imagine this exact train - and unlike the first photo, this is a recent photo - coming over the border. It's travelling at train speed. If you were a regular joe, would you think "Hmm, I regularly read the timetable and that train isn't scheduled for another 30 minutes! It must be a BATALLION OF RUSSIAN SOLDIERS!" - do you regularly look at cars as they pass and think "I haven't seen that reg plate before. Bet you it's a RUSSIAN SOLDIER!"

Or, even more unthinkable - Russia uses a regularly scheduled train to lull even the most hardcore trainspotters into a false sense of security. There isn't some system of defenses in place, here - it's open country. Generally, people don't have a big red button to press "in case Vladdy tries any shenanigans"

It is genuinely, more likely than not, that the first inkling of danger most Polish people will have is when the train has already arrived at its destination and several hundred armed men have gotten off. EVEN THEN, they might assume they're Ukrainians, or Americans, or another NATO country.

Only someone who is knowledgeable would even notice something is amiss, and only someone both knowledgeable and with authority could do anything about it.

 

[Scipio Neomericanus]

It took me too long to realize that this is an elaborate troll derailment. We got baited.

 

[Doctor Love]

It took me too long to realize that this is an elaborate troll derailment. We got baited.

Nah, you're just a pseudo-intellectual retard.

The question was, is this a possibility and what would occur if it did? And you've responded with nothing but dumb shit, and ree-ing about "That wouldn't happen! Caesar wouldn't dare cross the Rubicon, what would be in it for him?????"

Just because you can't understand it, because such action would take serious balls, doesn't mean it shouldn't be considered.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

What is it with autists and trains? Every single fucking time.

Also, why does Russia even need to invade Europe? Europe has no valuable natural resources, no significant oil or gas deposits, no land for agriculture, no remaining industry, no cultural significance to the world, and worst of all, they're riddled with Muslims. Russia already has enough kebab shops and mosques, don't need to import more from Europe.

A better option for Russia is to build a wall to keep the degenerate Europeans out. Just shell anyone approaching it, European refugees trying to sneak into Russia can fuck off back where they came from.

 

[Doctor Love]

What is it with autists and trains? Every single fucking time.

Also, why does Russia even need to invade Europe? Europe has no valuable natural resources, no significant oil or gas deposits, no land for agriculture, no remaining industry, no cultural significance to the world, and worst of all, they're riddled with Muslims. Russia already has enough kebab shops and mosques, don't need to import more from Europe.

A better option for Russia is to build a wall to keep the degenerate Europeans out. Just shell anyone approaching it, European refugees trying to sneak into Russia can fuck off back where they came from.

Because weapons have been pouring into Ukraine from Europe.

As a continent, we have now collectively decided that diplomacy doesn't work and the best way to handle things is to send millions of men to die in trenches.

Why is it suddenly insane to suggest that the cat is now out of the bag? When has your way, your weird fantasy world, actually existed?

 

[draggs]

Do you liek trains??

 

[Safir]

What is it with autists and trains? Every single fucking time.

Cos trains are awesome. Aren't you a slavmutt, too? You should liek trains. Putin needs to annul the citizenship of everyone who doesn't.

As a continent, we have now collectively decided that diplomacy doesn't work and the best way to handle things is to send millions of men to die in trenches.

But what are we going to do after? Google gives the population of Europe as 747.6 million as of mid 2020, counting the European part of Russia and the Caucasus but not Turkey apparently. Let's subtract 250M (a deliberate overestimate) for Russia, the Caucasus, Hungary, Serbia, Transnistria, Baltic Slavs, and provisionally a couple other countries which might not deserve extermination. That still leaves 500M npcs, what to do with all of them?

Do you liek trains??

Yes. I get blue balls (despite being female) whenever I see the headline because I always for a split second expect it to be about trains vs cars and trains vs planes and it turns out to be gay sperging about the SMO and Lockheed Martin propaganda.

 

[demicolon]

Poland is the only one which can actually fight a large, industrial opponent - and without air superiority, they can't win.

Poland has 200k active duty soldiers and 25k in reserve. Conscription in Poland has not been a thing for about 15 years and gun ownership is illegal so majority of the population has no idea how to shoot or how to soldier. Poland is mostly flat plains, terrain Russian artillery and tanks excel at. The best Poland could do against Russia would be to stall them for a year tops, then retreat to the mountain range south.

I'm writing this for passersbys of the thread, not the idiotic troll I quote.

 

[Doctor Love]

I'm writing this for passersbys of the thread, not the idiotic troll I quote.

amazing how even though I'm right, you have to distance yourself to save yourself from le downvotes of the fags

 

[demicolon]

amazing how even though I'm right, you have to distance yourself to save yourself from le downvotes of the fags

Merry 2nd Day of Christmas.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Cos trains are awesome. Aren't you a slavmutt, too? You should liek trains. Putin needs to annul the citizenship of everyone who doesn't.

Armored trains are pretty cool and all. Plus it's an effective mode of transportation in general, got to hand it to those Europeans for doing something right for once.

But when I think trains my mind doesn't delve into useless technical details like it does with the autists, instead it makes me think of obnoxious drunks, terrible bathrooms, and being put on a train to somewhere undesirable like an army base or a labor camp.

Also why bother invading Europe when it's easier to just pay off the Muslims who already invaded it first? They're far more business-minded than the old Europeans, making Europe a much better market for Russian oil and gas in a generation or two.

 

[Doctor Love]

Also why bother invading Europe when it's easier to just pay off the Muslims who already invaded it first?

Lenin saw that the final confrontation would be against the forces of Islam, so hopefully Putin is similar.