Its Arin being lazy and non-confrontational. Remember he had (and still probably has) 20+ "employees" where at a minimum 80% of them are doing fuck all 99% of the time. Everyone who has left game grumps has done so voluntarily. I genuinely don't think there is a single case of Arin firing anyone.
🌟 Internet Famous Arin Hanson / Egoraptor / Grump - "Hey I'm Grump!" of Game Grumps fame, hypocritical SJW doxer, shat himself recording a let's play
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I look forward to the day where history is rewritten and he fired Jon for being a nazi.
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I'm sure that'll work out well for him.
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Sorry about the double post - figured this post would be better as a separate one.
Looks like Arin may be trying to hide episodes, again. (SocialBlade is showing a 1mil+ view drop as of yesterday - making this a grand total of 47 mil + view drop total); though whether this recent privated video is due to BLM or the Ben incident is up in the air (the ep in question could go both ways - as the character is not only a black child, but also violated by a therapist in a 'joke' about child diddling).
Link below is to an animated based on the scene in question, but the link to the original video in the description box leads to a privated page.
Looks like Arin may be trying to hide episodes, again. (SocialBlade is showing a 1mil+ view drop as of yesterday - making this a grand total of 47 mil + view drop total); though whether this recent privated video is due to BLM or the Ben incident is up in the air (the ep in question could go both ways - as the character is not only a black child, but also violated by a therapist in a 'joke' about child diddling).
Link below is to an animated based on the scene in question, but the link to the original video in the description box leads to a privated page.
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He's gonna get mega canceled soon
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That was actually really funny, which is probably why they deleted it.
I dunno. One of the ways Arin is like a mini-DSP is that he still manages to be successful no matter how much controversy he attracts. Hell, just look at the accusations about Dan lovin' 'em and leavin' 'em. Usually that kind of thing would raise a huge stink. Instead, it passed by so quietly that Rantgrumps regularly had people coming on to ask more about the allegations.
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Ben made another apology on r/GameGrumps.
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r/gamegrumps - Hi everyone, this is Ben, editor for Game Grumps. Recently there’s been a lot of talk surrounding a couple posts that I’ve made on Twitter. I would like to address some of these things today.
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The Lovelies have also taken to calling critical users "Rantretards" after everyone assumed the "small and vocal group" was solely referring to the people on RantGrumps, instead of various groups on the main subreddit, RantGrumps, Twitter, the Game Grumps Discord, and so on.Ben said:Hi everyone, this is Ben, editor for Game Grumps. Recently there’s been a lot of talk surrounding a couple posts that I’ve made on Twitter. I would like to address some of these things today.
Here’s the TL;DR: I am incredibly sorry for making these highly inappropriate jokes about requesting nude photos from a minor. They are disgusting in a way that I didn’t fully appreciate at the time that I posted them, and they never should have been said. I have learned from this experience, and will be using far better judgement going forward. I will never make these types of insensitive jokes again. I do need to stress, however, that these were indeed attempts at humor, albeit exceedingly tasteless ones. I never actually attempted to solicit nudes from a minor. I never received nudes from a minor. I have never, nor would never, engage in any sexually deviant behavior with a minor. I think pedophilia is one of the most vile behaviors a human can partake in, and anybody engaging in these behaviors should be in jail, period.
When I say that I have learned from this experience, it is not just an empty platitude. What I failed to realize when I posted these jokes, is that while they may not be offensive to me personally, there are real people out there that have been victims of abuse, and when they see others cavalierly making light of very serious situations, it can be incredibly painful, and when they see people brushing them off as “just jokes,” it can be interpreted as invalidating their experience and the severity of their trauma. That is something that I truly did not grasp until recently, and I am so very sorry for anyone that I may have hurt in my ill-advised attempts at humor. Abuse is real, and it needs to be eradicated from our society entirely. I deeply regret that some of my actions may have inadvertently worked against this very important movement towards progress. Going forward, I will work to the best of my ability to be an ally in the fight towards the greater good, and not someone standing in the way.
That being said, I’m sure there are some people that still have questions for me. I’d like to try to explain the situation as best and as openly as I can.
A few years ago, I had a young family member who was a fan of an internet personality named Jacob Sartorius. They showed me some of his videos. I found them to be very cheesy to the point that they were amusing. A short while later, I was sitting in a cafe, and I noticed that someone walked in who I recognized to be Jacob Sartorius from the videos that were shown to me. I thought it would be cool to get a picture with him to send to my family member who was a fan. I told Jacob that I had a relative who was a big fan of his, and asked for a picture. He was very nice and obliged. That was the last time this person and I ever had a direct interaction.
After sending the photo to my family member, I then posted the photo to my own social media with the caption “Out here poppin’ bottles with
@ jacobsartorius,” because I thought it would be funny to imply that I was partying with this tween Vine star whom I had otherwise no reason to be associating with. After tagging him in the post, I looked at his social media and found his tweets to be similarly cheesy to the point of being amusing. Stuff like “Girl, ur smile is the reason I wake up every day” directed at no one in particular. It made me laugh and I decided to follow him.
As Jacob became increasingly famous, every now and then I would interact with one of his posts. He would tweet something like “U look beautiful today,” and I’d respond with something like “Wow man, that is so nice of you to say.” These interactions were sent with the intent that my own followers would see them and be amused. I had assumed that Jacob himself would never see them among the many thousands of replies he got to each post.
A little about my own Twitter: my handle on there, @ PenisBailey, is called that because I went by the moniker Penis Bailey in my comedy rap group, Buckwheat Groats. We largely trafficked in edgy humor. My character Penis Bailey was supposed to be this deranged, deviant, larger-than-life figure. Many of the things I post on Twitter are intended to be in the voice of this character, and not necessarily representative of the actual person I am. Before Twitter was the primary vehicle of social change and the place where politicians go to hurl insults at each other, it was mainly used for posting jokes, memes, and shitposting. I was accustomed to making edgy jokes on the platform. People followed me there specifically because of these edgy jokes. This was the audience I was catering to when I posted.
As time went on, I noticed that Jacob’s posts were becoming what I thought to be increasingly bizarre. “Girl, I love ur smile” became “They don’t appreciate u till u in a casket.” It struck me as comical that a successful, tween-oriented internet sensation would post something like this, so I ramped up the absurdity of my responses to him as a result. At one point I responded to something he said, again with the intent to amuse my own followers and not for him to see, with “let’s do meth and drive off a cliff.” It was just supposed to be an absurd non-sequitur, not an actual suggestion or request. For context, Jacob was not the only person that I would engage in this type of humor with. I’ve been known to tweet at Mitt Romney, for example, asking him to smoke a blunt with me, or suggest to Scott Bakula that we go streaking together at the zoo. At one point, I responded to something Jacob said with, I believe it was “drop some nudes on the TL, king,” or something to that effect. This was of course, solely meant to amuse my followers, and not an actual request or solicitation of nudes. Yes, I did know that Jacob was 17 at the time, but I remembered being a 17 year old myself, and I was very much into crass humor, as many 17 year old boys are. I figured that even if he ended up seeing the post, he wouldn’t be particularly bothered by it. I tweeted it, and none of my followers seemed to be concerned with it at the time. As I had recently come into a job as the editor for Game Grumps, I decided to delete that tweet a short time later, just to be on the safe side.
I very much enjoy editing for Game Grumps and occasionally drop in on the subreddit to see what fans are saying. At one point I found myself reading a thread about my contributions to the show. Some people said some very nice things about me, but one person commented with something tantamount to: “Ben totally sucks. His edits are annoying, his thumbnails and titles are absolute trash, and he’s a creep - I saw him trying to solicit nudes on twitter from Jacob Sartorius, who is underage.” I found it amusing that this last part was being used as a legitimate complaint against me, because in my mind, it was so obvious that the mention of nudes was not meant to be taken seriously. After that, I tweeted: “Someone trying to drag me on reddit referenced the fact that I once asked Jacob Sartorius for nudes on here,” with the implication being that this complaint was comically absurd, because by no means did I actually ask him for nudes in earnest.
(Side note: I don’t actually make the thumbnails for Game Grumps episodes, and haven’t for quite some time. As far as the changes in thumbnail style and titling that many fans have commented on, we get together as a team and decide on the creative direction of things like this. We like to try things out! Some changes work and some don’t. But no one person is responsible for these aspects. As far as my editing style, when I came into the job, I tried to make it fun and put my own personal twist on things, as previous editors had before me. It was made clear to me from the onset that there would be some fans that did not like the change, so when some people expressed outrage at my editing, I didn’t take it to heart. I did, however, try to listen to criticisms and adjust accordingly. If you like my contributions to the show, I am so glad about that. If you don’t, I am genuinely sorry. I don’t think my editing has too much of an overall effect on the Game Grumps show regardless.)
Over the past few months, as the rest of the world was dealing with the Covid-19 pandemic and widespread civil unrest, I was dealing with my own personal tragedy, as my mom had become very ill with cancer. Unfortunately, she ultimately passed away from her illness in late May. Less than two weeks before her passing, when my mother was extremely sick and barely clinging to life, I awoke one morning to find that a couple people had responded angrily to my tweet about the “reddit dragging” that had been posted months prior. I chalked it up to shit-stirring as an extension of the anger that people had towards me regarding my edits and thumbnails, deleted the offending tweets, and assumed people would drop the issue soon.
Instead, it seemed that people interpreted my deletion of the tweet as some sort of “cover-up.” They dug further, and found the selfie with Jacob that I had posted, as well as the other aforementioned tweets, and people began to make all sorts of wild assumptions and allegations about me. People continued to badger me about them. My initial response was anger. Anger that on top of the massive pile of shit that life had served me regarding my mother’s illness, it was now being accompanied by additional shit-sprinkles in the form of false pedophelia accusations resulting from a few old tweets that I felt were very obviously jokes. I was angry that people seemed to be taking such delight in attempting to ruin my life because they didn’t like my editing, not knowing that I was already being traumatized by watching my mother become sicker each day, feeling so helpless and devastated by the circumstances in my own home and in the world around me at large.
I issued a short, admittedly terse apology on Twitter that I felt acknowledged that the posts were inappropriate and that I would use better judgement in the future. When the apology was quickly met with over a dozen responses essentially calling me a disgusting pedophile monster, I realized that my post came off as sarcastic, dismissive, and that it probably wasn’t helping anything. I decided to delete the post. In turn, the deletion of the post itself became grounds for outrage to some. As things in my house turned from bad to worse, and it seemed like the only people who were calling me out were angry trolls anyway, I decided it wasn’t worth my energy to try to craft a more nuanced apology to people that were being so cruel to me and seemed unwilling to engage in an actual dialogue when I was already so overwhelmed with grief.
I had assumed that people would ultimately realize that these tweets were just jokes and that the controversy would soon dissipate, however a small but vocal group of people continued to bring it up, spreading word throughout the fandom that I was supposedly a pedophile, but failing to elaborate on the nuance of the situation. Eventually, Arin became aware of the complaints, had a discussion with me about it, and it was during this time I realized that even though my tweets were indeed “just jokes,” that did not in any way make them okay. Out of respect for my personal situation, Arin decided to wait to address it, so as not to contribute to my anguish. I know he took some heat for that decision, but I am so very grateful that he did, as calling more attention to it would have made things much worse for me in what was already by far the darkest period of my life. I’d like to additionally note that even before this situation, Arin and the Grumps team were so compassionate, caring, and accommodating in regards to making my job as easy and stress-free as possible while I was dealing with my mother’s illness. They are all thoroughly good, tender-hearted people, the best coworkers anyone can ask for, and I will forever be grateful to them for their kindness.
I love Game Grumps. I love working with Game Grumps and editing the videos. I love the Game Grumps fan base, and all people that have a good heart. I feel for the victims of abuse and I am truly sorry for any pain that I have caused. I ask that you forgive me for these indiscretions and allow me the space to work towards being better. I hope that we as a community can now put this episode behind us, and go back to enjoying the goofy antics of the Game Grumps in a less toxic environment. Thank you so much for your understanding.
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Ben made another apology on r/GameGrumps.
(A)r/gamegrumps - Hi everyone, this is Ben, editor for Game Grumps. Recently there’s been a lot of talk surrounding a couple posts that I’ve made on Twitter. I would like to address some of these things today.
249 votes and 86 comments so far on Reddit
The Lovelies have also taken to calling critical users "Rantretards" after everyone assumed the "small and vocal group" was solely referring to the people on RantGrumps, instead of various groups on the main subreddit, RantGrumps, Twitter, the Game Grumps Discord, and so on.
That apology is all about him and not taking responsibility for his awful jokes and his lust for underage dick. What a tosser.
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Ben made another apology on r/GameGrumps.
(A)r/gamegrumps - Hi everyone, this is Ben, editor for Game Grumps. Recently there’s been a lot of talk surrounding a couple posts that I’ve made on Twitter. I would like to address some of these things today.
249 votes and 86 comments so far on Reddit
How does a grown ass man who is so totally against the idea of predators/pedophilia not realize that making lewd jokes at a minor is not only a huge no no, but makes him look like a predator when he does it?
The rest of it just smacks of a combination of pity party, blame shifting and Grumps/Arin ass pats. It's actually a rather disgusting read; made all the more aggravating when you know full well that the Lovelies will eat this crap right up.
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Isn't "retard" considered ableist or whatever?
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Only a rètard would care.
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"It's okay when we do it"
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"At one point, I responded to something Jacob said with, I believe it was “drop some nudes on the TL, king,” or something to that effect. This was of course, solely meant to amuse my followers, and not an actual request or solicitation of nudes. Yes, I did know that Jacob was 17 at the time, but I remembered being a 17 year old myself, and I was very much into crass humor, as many 17 year old boys are. "Ben made another apology on r/GameGrumps.
(A)r/gamegrumps - Hi everyone, this is Ben, editor for Game Grumps. Recently there’s been a lot of talk surrounding a couple posts that I’ve made on Twitter. I would like to address some of these things today.
249 votes and 86 comments so far on Reddit
The Lovelies have also taken to calling critical users "Rantretards" after everyone assumed the "small and vocal group" was solely referring to the people on RantGrumps, instead of various groups on the main subreddit, RantGrumps, Twitter, the Game Grumps Discord, and so on.
I cannot with this guy.
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"And I definitely wouldn't have been creeped out by a 30 year old man saying that to me unsolicited or anything, because I was a very cool high school kid lol."
Like, come on, how is this apology getting praised? How fucking dumb are lovelies? (rhetorical)
I resent that. "Rantards" would be a catchier insult.
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It may be more insidious than that. See the current Shane Dawson drama; these kids who grew up with him when they were 12/13 at the time of his height saw his "lol so random" blackface perverted humor as edgy. Edgy = funny and cool, plus they found him attractive, so in a preteen's eyes, there's nothing particularly weird about an attractive adult being flirty. Groupies back in the day were around 14-16, which cancels people like BOTW Dahvie Vanity, but was normal for Rick James, David Bowie, etc. (Not, like, actually okay, but you know what I mean.)
Now that these once-preteens now mid-20s adults (millenials) are looking back, they realize how bizarre and creepy his interactions with fans were. But at the time, it fed into their fantasies of being a grown up.
These kids (zoomers) find Dan and Arin attractive, hence the mountains of fanart, stories, etc. They talk about sexual humor in the same le edgy way, which makes them feel like they're being treated maturely. They legitimately don't understand that Ben's comments are incredibly creepy because they're kids themselves and he's associated with guys they find attractive. If he was a rando, they wouldn't tolerate it. Guarantee the fans/ex-fans who are angry are the ones who are adults or closer to adulthood, and the people blindly defending him are ignorant, horny preteens.
This kind of shit is why Youtube has gone off the deep end trying to lock down anything 'childlike'--they know pedos have always been on their platform, right under the surface. This is doubly why creators need to be incredibly careful with what they talk about; either ensure your fanbase is older and not stupid (e.g. Supermega having 21+ shows, Oneyplays thoroughly mocking young fanbases and turning possible younger fans off by being legitimately edgy, Friends Without Benefits mocking the creepiness of let's play audiences)--this wards away kids who want to feel like "one of the guys/a possible girlfriend." By reading fanfiction, having sexualized merch, acting like they know their audience, etc., GG is unintentionally fostering a fanbase of horny kids that take it out on adults, can't separate fact from fiction, and may unintentionally put themselves in dangerous situations by other unscrupulous people, because they don't understand what grooming is.
This is a very telling perspective on /r/rantgrumps about the bizarre relationship between Youtubers/streamers and their very young fans. (Also, being born in 2006--Christ, what a concept); this kid was born when Egoraptor (rip) was first scribbling animations on Newgrounds. This is a kid who is luckily more self-aware than most, but is exactly the type of person to, at least in the past, blindly protect the Grumps because of their sublimation of a relationship, platonic or romantic.
Tl;dr: The Grumps can make whatever jokes they want, but knowing their audience is so young, by not demanding respect as strangers to these kids, requiring distance, and actively encouraging sexualized content, they're normalizing this kind of obsession, which could lead to dangerous situations for kids who think they're adult enough to date older men, and obsess over people they've never met, and fantasize about being with, despite being 20 years their junior and a literal child.
And Ben does exactly this. His "jokes" aren't jokes. He's in a prime position to be predatory and be excused for it.
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MahFibro!
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Oh, you saw similarities, too? (though I saw the similarities in SD's apology video - specifically the part about seeing his 'jokes' as 'edgy humor').
Like the previous poster had mentioned, it honestly does feel like they're trying to normalize this kind of shit - and it's rather scary how readily the fanbase is accepting of that.