Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Hackallier]

It started with trying to go the ocean and ended with worldwide genocide.

I'm still at a loss, frankly.

Be an original Berserk fan and all will be expected. We are miserable forever.

It started with Eren turning into a titan, completely ruining the premise the series had started on.
I can't be the only one who thinks this, right?

You haven't replied to this thread as far as I can remember but I absolutely agree that titan shifting ruined this series. Being alternate from the general zombie genre with titans against humans would have been absolutely great. But Japanese can't leave the kaijun consept behind when they create a new concept.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Watching these early clips is so depressing because you see what could have been and its just like, "Fuck. How did we get here?"

Honestly it felt like from the very beginning even before the timeskip that Isayama had no idea what to do with Mikasa, that royal bloodline thing just came across as him throwing a dart on the wall but had no idea where to go with that. Then compare Mikasa to nearly every other character and it is worse when you realize that Sasha had more development after dying than Mikasa did or how Annie had more development than her.

Honestly this could've been fixed if Mikasa's role as an Ackerman and Eren's retainer was given more weight and if Zeke served as a foil to her given how both Mikasa and Zeke were the only familial connections that Eren has.

For me there were many ways this series can go from a 7/8 out of 10 to be elevated to being great.

 

[God of Nothing]

You haven't replied to this thread as far as I can remember but I absolutely agree that titan shifting ruined this series. Being alternate from the general zombie genre with titans against humans would have been absolutely great. But Japanese can't leave the kaijun consept behind when they create a new concept.

All my interest nearly vanished after Eren transformed. It finally popped when he first sicced titans on another titan, I've been hearing bits and pieces over the years but man am I glad to have avoided the disappointment from this shitshow.

 

[Hackallier]

All my interest nearly vanished after Eren transformed. It finally popped when he first sicced titans on another titan, I've been hearing bits and pieces over the years but man am I glad to have avoided the disappointment from this shitshow.

It's nice to see an another person that disliked the whole titan transformation alltogether. I never liked the direction the anime was going, but it's nice to see fellow person thinking the same as me. Alternate genre replacing zombies with titans would have been nice, but we got this edgy teen drama instead.

 

[Secret Asshole]

It started with trying to go the ocean and ended with worldwide genocide.

I'm still at a loss, frankly.

And you know what is the worst part? We're never shown WHY. We aren't shown the most absolutely crucial moments as to WHY. What does Eren know that we don't? Apparently from these spoilers its fucking NOTHING. Not even fucking exposition. Not even ATTEMPTING to make his case to ANYONE in a remotely logical manner. And NOBODY GIVES HIM AN ALTERNATIVE. Its fucking mind bogglingly bad. Talk to them was the only thing they even fucking suggested. Here's how it basically would have worked out:

"How are we going to get them to stop killing us and they're on the verge of Titan Killing technology?"

"Oh, we just talk to them."

*Get called a devil, beaten in the street, gang raped and hung up on a cross to die*

"....Well, does anyone else have any other suggestions?"

*cricket noises*

How anyone can think this is good writing, you just have really shitty taste, I'm sorry. This isn't good writing in the least. His transition to villain is done so incompetently. Characters and plots are just discarded. There's plotholes you can drive trucks through. There are dramatic moments that just transform into parody. Characters are drained of fucking emotion and act like fucking husks, following after Eren for almost entirely the latter half of the series.

The narrative is fucking trash. It falls apart very soon after the time skip, limps along and then becomes totally unsalvageable when Eren's head gets blown off. People just delude themselves. The pig is after they get to the ocean. Everything else is time skip territory. People were like fucking Homer, I swear:

I fucking hated the Marley shit. I hated the WWII/Game of Thrones bullshit. I hated the timeskip. I thought all of it was trash. Garbage fucking in, garbage fucking out.

We go from an emotional Mikasa hugging and crying after she thought Eren was dead to one who has literally gone fucking insane, kissing the decapitated head of her brother who just killed probably millions of people, including her home country, while fucking GOD watches and smiles. How in the FUCK do you get there with good writing? You fucking don't. That's the answer. You do not.

 

[God of Nothing]

It's nice to see an another person that disliked the whole titan transformation alltogether. I never liked the direction the anime was going, but it's nice to see fellow person thinking the same as me. Alternate genre replacing zombies with titans would have been nice, but we got this edgy teen drama instead.

GoT/ME tier terribad ending edgy team drama.

 

[Hackallier]

GoT/ME tier terribad ending edgy team drama.

Join the club mate.

 

[Fougaro]

 

[Bunny Tracks]

And you know what is the worst part? We're never shown WHY. We aren't shown the most absolutely crucial moments as to WHY. What does Eren know that we don't? Apparently from these spoilers its fucking NOTHING. Not even fucking exposition. Not even ATTEMPTING to make his case to ANYONE in a remotely logical manner. And NOBODY GIVES HIM AN ALTERNATIVE. Its fucking mind bogglingly bad. Talk to them was the only thing they even fucking suggested. Here's how it basically would have worked out:

"How are we going to get them to stop killing us and they're on the verge of Titan Killing technology?"

"Oh, we just talk to them."

*Get called a devil, beaten in the street, gang raped and hung up on a cross to die*

"....Well, does anyone else have any other suggestions?"

*cricket noises*

How anyone can think this is good writing, you just have really shitty taste, I'm sorry. This isn't good writing in the least. His transition to villain is done so incompetently. Characters and plots are just discarded. There's plotholes you can drive trucks through. There are dramatic moments that just transform into parody. Characters are drained of fucking emotion and act like fucking husks, following after Eren for almost entirely the latter half of the series.

I fucking hate this, too.

No one even fucking attempts to argue with him. No one even attempts to say anything like "Hey, won't this just send us back to square one?" or "Why don't we just take out their military capabilities?" or even "Okay, you're free. To do what, exactly?"

No.

No one even tries, and they only reason they don't is because Isayama fucking knows that if anyone even remotely tries to question or argue with Eren with even the absolute bare minimum of intelligence the entire narrative falls apart. Not that it was even holding itself together to begin with, but you get the point.

He fucking knows, and that's why no one does it, and that's why it's so fucking frustrating. He robbed everyone of their intelligence, agency, and just plain character so this plot can "work" and it still fucking falls flat on its ass.

And you know what? That's the worst part of it. That it was all for nothing, because this ending could've and would've worked out fine if Isayama hadn't been such a fucking idiot.

For the millionth time, genocidal!Eren can work, and does make sense.

Isayama went out of his fucking way to make it not work for reasons that I will likely will never know.

Here's the thing. Even if the editors screwed Isayama over, and forced him to continue this shit, there is no excuse for it to be this bad unless he's doing it on purpose, or he's just that stupid. A lot of us have come up with ideas that are leaps and bounds better than what he has, and most of them don't even require to change the current story that much. It wasn't hard to do at all. Isayama has no excuse here unless he truly is a completely spiteful, and stupid retard like Eren is.

And you know what? After looking at all the shit he's pulled, and I really think he is now.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I fucking hate this, too.

No one even fucking attempts to argue with him. No one even attempts to say anything like "Hey, won't this just send us back to square one?" or "Why don't we just take out their military capabilities?" or even "Okay, you're free. To do what, exactly?"

No.

No one even tries, and they only reason they don't is because Isayama fucking knows that if anyone even remotely tries to question or argue with Eren with even the absolute bare minimum of intelligence the entire narrative falls apart. Not that it was even holding itself together to begin with, but you get the point.

He fucking knows, and that's why no one does it, and that's why it's so fucking frustrating. He robbed everyone of their intelligence, agency, and just plain character so this plot can "work" and it still fucking falls flat on its ass.

And you know what? That's the worst part of it. That it was all for nothing, because this ending could've and would've worked out fine if Isayama hadn't been such a fucking idiot.

For the millionth time, genocidal!Eren can work, and does make sense.

Isayama went out of his fucking way to make it not work for reasons that I will likely will never know.

Here's the thing. Even if the editors screwed Isayama over, and forced him to continue this shit, there is no excuse for it to be this bad unless he's doing it on purpose, or he's just that stupid. A lot of us have come up with ideas that are leaps and bounds better than what he has, and most of them don't even require to change the current story that much. It wasn't hard to do at all. Isayama has no excuse here unless he truly is a completely spiteful, and stupid retard like Eren is.

And you know what? After looking at all the shit he's pulled, and I really think he is now.

Honestly my personal theories for why Isayama is doing this stuff either boils down to two things:

1. He doesn't know and he only cares about what he feels at the moment since while Isayama has planned some things he comes across as a writer who just writes things as it goes along.

2. He knows and is too much of a normie to think Eren will make a compromise and is more focused on making a "epic" ending since Isayama essentially comes across as both an autist and a normie at the same time.

 

[Secret Asshole]

It started with Eren turning into a titan, completely ruining the premise the series had started on.
I can't be the only one who thinks this, right?

The problem mainly lies with the Titan shifters, who were there since the beginning. I mean, when I was watching this for the first time, I thought the Titan shifters were brought by angry Gods assaulting humanity from the heavens. The concept hadn't even entered my mind. I honestly thought Eren was fucking dead. Like "Oh fuck, they killed the main, this is some crazy fucking shit." Because I had heard it was edgy and dark at that point.

So him becoming a titan was a big deal, because I didn't even think that was in the premise. So then it became obvious the titan shifters were people. I do recall not really liking it all that much, because the 3D gear and the mindless Titans were more fun, visceral and had higher stakes. But it didn't ruin it for me.

When they were called warriors, it interested me. Obviously there were humans outside the walls. Which was intriguing. What humans were there? Was there more than one civilization? Did they have differing views? Are they also under assault by titans and these warriors are on some sort of "DEUS VULT' crusade deal, thinking if they kill the wrong think humans God will forgive them and the Titans will go away? So that was fun for a bit.

Then you had the scenes with Ymir and people being Titanized and thrown down through what looked like clouds. So is there some master civilization behind this? Is there floating fucking castles that are just raining Titans down on the ground? The religious aspect kind of took hold with Ymir and becoming the false queen or some shit (I don't remember). It was really cool when they found that castle and all this old food and Ymir knew the language and I thought the sky people lived on the ground, then went up into the sky, found Jesus and declared everyone down below a heathen to suffer and die in the worst possible way.

But then, Season 2 ended. And...I got curious and I read the manga. Pretty much instantly fell apart as soon as I found out how basic bitch the plot really was and the human on titan action stopped and there was a time skip. And the 'sky people' I thought they were throwing down to the Earth? Yeah, just a really cheap, very cropped shot to give you that sort of impression when it was just a regular fucking wall.

So basically my interest died as soon as I read the source material, hah.

 

[Hackallier]

The problem mainly lies with the Titan shifters, who were there since the beginning. I mean, when I was watching this for the first time, I thought the Titan shifters were brought by angry Gods assaulting humanity from the heavens. The concept hadn't even entered my mind. I honestly thought Eren was fucking dead. Like "Oh fuck, they killed the main, this is some crazy fucking shit." Because I had heard it was edgy and dark at that point.

So him becoming a titan was a big deal, because I didn't even think that was in the premise. So then it became obvious the titan shifters were people. I do recall not really liking it all that much, because the 3D gear and the mindless Titans were more fun, visceral and had higher stakes. But it didn't ruin it for me.

When they were called warriors, it interested me. Obviously there were humans outside the walls. Which was intriguing. What humans were there? Was there more than one civilization? Did they have differing views? Are they also under assault by titans and these warriors are on some sort of "DEUS VULT' crusade deal, thinking if they kill the wrong think humans God will forgive them and the Titans will go away? So that was fun for a bit.

Then you had the scenes with Ymir and people being Titanized and thrown down through what looked like clouds. So is there some master civilization behind this? Is there floating fucking castles that are just raining Titans down on the ground? The religious aspect kind of took hold with Ymir and becoming the false queen or some shit (I don't remember). It was really cool when they found that castle and all this old food and Ymir knew the language and I thought the sky people lived on the ground, then went up into the sky, found Jesus and declared everyone down below a heathen to suffer and die in the worst possible way.

But then, Season 2 ended. And...I got curious and I read the manga. Pretty much instantly fell apart as soon as I found out how basic bitch the plot really was and the human on titan action stopped and there was a time skip. And the 'sky people' I thought they were throwing down to the Earth? Yeah, just a really cheap, very cropped shot to give you that sort of impression when it was just a regular fucking wall.

So basically my interest died as soon as I read the source material, hah.

Sorry to ask this late in the thread, but where there others of us that disliked the whole titan shifter scheme that the anime presented? I personally like fighting agains the unknown enemy more. This might combine weird but I edited it into a single post.

You absolutely ran over my short post

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Sorry to ask this late in the thread, but where there others of us that disliked the whole titan shifter scheme that the anime presented? I personally like fighting agains the unknown enemy more.

I thought Eren being the only titan shifter was fine along with Annie, and Marco, and Erwin back when that was still an incredibly plausible, and popular theory, but I started to dislike it when Bertholdt, Reiner, Ymir, and especially Zeke were confirmed to be ones, too.

Now, I just really hate titan shifters all together because they're so overdone, most of them have really dumb concepts, and make everything so much more convoluted, confusing, and frustrating.

 

[Hackallier]

I thought Eren being the only titan shifter was fine along with Annie, and Marco, and Erwin back when that was still an incredibly plausible, and popular theory, but I started to dislike it when Bertholdt, Reiner, Ymir, and especially Zeke were confirmed to be ones, too.

Now, I just really hate titan shifters all together because they're so overdone, have really dumb concepts, and make everything so much more convoluted, confusing, and frustrating.

Imo. the whole titan shifter stuff was stupid.
Just keeping it at titan=zombies would have kept
The whole story more interesting longer.

 

[cantankerous jackalope]

I would say the best thing at this point is for the next episode of the anime to suddenly veer off wildly from the manga, explain it away due to some PATHS shit or have the anime spoil the manga reader or something.

I’d love that, let’s just go full fucking wild with this thing.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I fucking hate this, too.

No one even fucking attempts to argue with him. No one even attempts to say anything like "Hey, won't this just send us back to square one?" or "Why don't we just take out their military capabilities?" or even "Okay, you're free. To do what, exactly?"

No.

No one even tries, and they only reason they don't is because Isayama fucking knows that if anyone even remotely tries to question or argue with Eren with even the absolute bare minimum of intelligence the entire narrative falls apart. Not that it was even holding itself together to begin with, but you get the point.

He fucking knows, and that's why no one does it, and that's why it's so fucking frustrating. He robbed everyone of their intelligence, agency, and just plain character so this plot can "work" and it still fucking falls flat on its ass.

And you know what? That's the worst part of it. That it was all for nothing, because this ending could've and would've worked out fine if Isayama hadn't been such a fucking idiot.

For the millionth time, genocidal!Eren can work, and does make sense.

Isayama went out of his fucking way to make it not work for reasons that I will likely will never know.

Here's the thing. Even if the editors screwed Isayama over, and forced him to continue this shit, there is no excuse for it to be this bad unless he's doing it on purpose, or he's just that stupid. A lot of us have come up with ideas that are leaps and bounds better than what he has, and most of them don't even require to change the current story that much. It wasn't hard to do at all. Isayama has no excuse here unless he truly is a completely spiteful, and stupid retard like Eren is.

And you know what? After looking at all the shit he's pulled, and I really think he is now.

I think he is a spiteful, stupid retard who just got lucky with the first third of his manga and got a kick-ass anime out of it. I honestly don't think he gave a singular shit about any of that. If you boil it down, all of his plot points have been extremely basic, except for the origins of the titans because I fully believe he has no idea to this day where they come from or why and doesn't actually give a shit. Same with your points. He doesn't give a shit. He wants it to happen, so it does. He's ALWAYS been like this.

You have your complicated questions for which there are the most absolute, basic answers.
What's beyond the wall? Regular nation states.
Who are the titan shifters? Humans who serve a nation state.
What's Eren's 4D chess move that he's been planning for nearly half the series? Kill everyone.
Why does Marley hate Paradis even though its been two centuries since they fought? Incurable total racism for no reason. No exceptions.
Why does no one question Eren? Its Eren's story, he saw things. Fully reliable narrator.

Then you get very basic questions, for which there is no fucking reasonable answer:
Why did you side-line Historia and do a fucking soap opera over the very basic fucking question of who the father is that you still haven't answered in like 90 fucking chapters, far longer than the answer has ever been fucking relevant for? I'm scared of sex.
Why did you side-line Mikasa, arguably the second most important character if its Eren's story? Bored of her.
Why the fuck is she kissing his decapitated head and dreaming of some fucking cabin in the woods at the end of your fucking story when you have so much more important shit you need to go over? I collect my toenails in jars.

Like he is functional fucking trash. I love my trashfires. I love bad shit. But this? Its infuriating because I think literally every person in the history of this thread had better, more complicated, more interesting ideas than he did. I don't think I've heard of a bad alternate idea. Even if it was batshit crazy, it was at least interesting, which is more than what could be said for this faggot. And I think that's what annoys me. That people think Isayama is some genius, when he's just a lazy, fucking terrible autistic writer. For him to get the attention and money over other mangaka and light novelists which are far superior to him is a fucking crime. He wrote 1/3rd of a good story and then fucked it up totally and completely, deluding stupid retards and normies people who still have nostalgia over that first third and can't admit something they liked this long was absolute nonsensical trash written by an autistic retard.

I hope he buys his spa and fucks off, thanking his lucky stars people were too fucking stupid to notice how garbage of a writer he was and how lucky he got.

Honestly my personal theories for why Isayama is doing this stuff either boils down to two things:

1. He doesn't know and he only cares about what he feels at the moment since while Isayama has planned some things he comes across as a writer who just writes things as it goes along.

2. He knows and is too much of a normie to think Eren will make a compromise and is more focused on making a "epic" ending since Isayama essentially comes across as both an autist and a normie at the same time.

I think all evidence points to 1. Isayama obviously planned the first third EXCEPT, it was blindingly obvious he had no clue what was in the basement, where the titans came from and why there were titan shifters. The amount he plays for time in the manga thinking about what to do instead of just taking a breath and fucking planning is just amazing. The timeskip is evidence he had no idea where the fuck to go. Because he needed that all out of the way.

So he writes the zombie thing gets bored, watches Game of Thrones and likes WWII and decides he wants to do that. Just makes everyone follow Eren because he feels, "Well, its Eren's story, so let him drive the plot." Then he gets bored of that. Game of Thrones turned out to be shit, so he ditches it. He still sticks with the time stuff that GoT had, but its clear he's rapidly losing interest and wants to get away from that. So he abandons it, because he's bored and dislikes it. So then its like, "Oh, MCU movies are cool" and now its avengers.

But then he realizes he has two chapters left, has been fucking coasting doing absolutely no fucking planning or even bothering to tie any of this shit together so now he's just in "Who cares" mode and is just doing whatever random shit pops into his head. And apparently that random shit is very dark and very fucking retarded.

 

[Hackallier]

I would say the best thing at this point is for the next episode of the anime to suddenly veer off wildly from the manga, explain it away due to some PATHS shit or have the anime spoil the manga reader or something.

I’d love that, let’s just go full fucking wild with this thing.

You need to understand we have 2 chapters left. We can't have any big change coming anymore

I think he is a spiteful, stupid retard who just got lucky with the first third of his manga and got a kick-ass anime out of it. I honestly don't think he gave a singular shit about any of that. If you boil it down, all of his plot points have been extremely basic, except for the origins of the titans because I fully believe he has no idea to this day where they come from or why and doesn't actually give a shit. Same with your points. He doesn't give a shit. He wants it to happen, so it does. He's ALWAYS been like this.

You have your complicated questions for which there are the most absolute, basic answers.
What's beyond the wall? Regular nation states.
Who are the titan shifters? Humans who serve a nation state.
What's Eren's 4D chess move that he's been planning for nearly half the series? Kill everyone.
Why does Marley hate Paradis even though its been two centuries since they fought? Incurable total racism for no reason. No exceptions.
Why does no one question Eren? Its Eren's story, he saw things. Fully reliable narrator.

Then you get very basic questions, for which there is no fucking reasonable answer:
Why did you side-line Historia and do a fucking soap opera over the very basic fucking question of who the father is that you still haven't answered in like 90 fucking chapters, far longer than the answer has ever been fucking relevant for? I'm scared of sex.
Why did you side-line Mikasa, arguably the second most important character if its Eren's story? Bored of her.
Why the fuck is she kissing his decapitated head and dreaming of some fucking cabin in the woods at the end of your fucking story when you have so much more important shit you need to go over? I collect my toenails in jars.

Like he is functional fucking trash. I love my trashfires. I love bad shit. But this? Its infuriating because I think literally every person in the history of this thread had better, more complicated, more interesting ideas than he did. I don't think I've heard of a bad alternate idea. Even if it was batshit crazy, it was at least interesting, which is more than what could be said for this faggot. And I think that's what annoys me. That people think Isayama is some genius, when he's just a lazy, fucking terrible autistic writer. For him to get the attention and money over other mangaka and light novelists which are far superior to his is a fucking crime. We wrote 1/3rd of a good story and then fucked it up totally and completely, completely deluding stupid and normies people who still have nostalgia over that first third.

I hope he buys his spa and fucks off, thanking his lucky stars people were too fucking stupid to notice how garbage of a writer he was and how lucky he got.

I think all evidence points to 1. Isayama obviously planned the first third EXCEPT, it was blindingly obvious he had no clue what was in the basement, where the titans came from and why there were titan shifters. The amount he plays for time in the manga thinking about what to do instead of just taking a breath and fucking planning is just amazing. The timeskip is evidence he had no idea where the fuck to go. Because he needed that all out of the way.

So he writes the zombie thing gets bored, watches Game of Thrones and likes WWII and decides he wants to do that. Just makes everyone follow Eren because he feels, "Well, its Eren's story, so let him drive the plot." Then he gets bored of that. Game of Thrones turned out to be shit, so he ditches it. He still sticks with the time stuff that GoT had, but its clear he's rapidly losing interest and wants to get away from that. So he abandons it, because he's bored and dislikes it. So then its like, "Oh, MCU movies are cool" and now its avengers.

But then he realizes he has two chapters left, has been fucking coasting doing absolutely no fucking planning or even bothering to tie any of this shit together so now he's just in "Who cares" mode and is just doing whatever random shit pops into his head. And apparently that random shit is very dark and very fucking retarded.

I'm sorry that I have to say you this, but just stop writing walls of text to try to comprahend the future of this series. You don't need to put that much effort to understand a series that has 2 chapters left to print. You are way more invested to this series than I'm to berserk that's much older serie than this.

Just give some space and abandon it, the focus isn't woth it.

Giving that much attention to a cringy japanese author is kinda cringe

 

[Secret Asshole]

I'm sorry that I have to say you this, but just stop writing walls of text to try to comprahend the future of this series. You don't need to put that much effort to understand a series that has 2 chapters left to print. You are way more invested to this series than I'm to berserk that's much older serie than this.

Just give some space and abandon it, the focus isn't woth it.

All my posts are like this, so it doesn't matter what it is. This is the series' epitaph and I feel like shitting on it because I enjoy it. I was like this with GoT when it was on Season 7/8 too. Like I said, I love my trashfires.

 

[Hackallier]

All my posts are like this, so it doesn't matter what it is.

I kinda get cringy when it get's to polictics, so If you get gringy when it comes to manga, we are kinda equal.
Edit: I'm kinda drunk so please ignore me when it's not for fun.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I hope he buys his spa and fucks off, thanking his lucky stars people were too fucking stupid to notice how garbage of a writer he was and how lucky he got.

I hate to say it, and I'd really hate for it to actually happen, but knowing how the Japs are when it comes to these things, I wouldn't be surprised if one of his lunatic fans burned down the spa as soon as the bastard bought it.