Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

How will Eren be stopped?


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I am going to be honest, the revelation that Eren could influence past users of the Attack Titan makes sense since it explains that dream sequence at the start of the series and really explains why Kruger told Grisha to help save Mikasa and Armin.

So this had some foreshadowing to it, but I wish it was handled better like maybe show Grisha acting schizo during the Reiss family thing when it was first revealed he killed them when Eren was getting memories.
 
I am going to be honest, the revelation that Eren could influence past users of the Attack Titan makes sense since it explains that dream sequence at the start of the series and really explains why Kruger told Grisha to help save Mikasa and Armin.

So this had some foreshadowing to it, but I wish it was handled better like maybe show Grisha acting schizo during the Reiss family thing when it was first revealed he killed them when Eren was getting memories.
I was thinking about that too, but then I remembered the corpses in Eren's dream, at least in the anime, don't have the same character designs we have after the timeskip. They might be in the manga, but I'm still calling bullshit. I'm not saying this couldn't be explained with the fact that Isayama might just not have had the final designs down yet, but given the rest scene and what we know now, I don't think it holds up.

I do agree that there was some foreshadowing, but it was so vague that I don't think it excuses anything. Was there foreshadowing about a possible time loop? Yes. Was there foreshadowing about Eren being able to transcend time and space, being able to influence the past, present, and future, and that dead people can change their minds? Hell fucking no.

Let me make this clear. I am not against the idea of a time loop, at least in theory. What I am against is how poorly fucking thought out this time loop is. It literally breaks the entire story.
 
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I'm not going to defend this trainwreck of a chapter but there is one thing I think you guys are getting wrong, which is not your fault, Isayama is horrendous at clarity.

Grisha's PATHS ghost didn't change his mind, what happened was that he saw some time travel bullshit after he killed the Royal family that convinced him that Eren was in the wrong. Then sometime after Grisha somehow hugged Zeke despite Zeke not being physically there, he then saw more time travel bullshit that convinced him AGAIN that Eren was right. You can tell because after Zeke exits the memories, Eren tells Zeke he should see the memory where Grisha injects him.

With that out of the way, there's two big plot holes this chapter introduced, which is pretty small compared to the five thousand that is normally added with every chapter.

Both are about the memory where Grisha kills the Royal family. The first one is Grisha temporarily giving up because he'll have to kill the kids. Not only is this completely out of character for someone as stubborn and dedicated as him, remember, this is the same guy who carried a (completely deserved) grudge against his dad for decades, but giving up wouldn't even save the kids. King Kuck just fucking explained to him that he plans on his kids being killed by Marley, who don't seem to give a shit that their mom just said they deserve to die. Giving up doesn't mean saving those kids, it just means that everyone else goes down with them, something Grisha forgot not even ten minutes after it was explained to him.

The second is that the Uprising arc made it very clear that King Kuck refused to ever tell anyone why he won't stop the Titans. We know Rod wasn't lying when he said that because we saw his memories of his father locking him a cell for asking a question. Yet here King Kuck says why he won't stop the Titans, right in front of his family, including Rod. It's easy to forget but the whole reason why Rod sided with the king was because he assumed he had some knowledge that justified his actions. If he knew that it was just self-hatred, then he wouldn't have sided with him, ergo the Uprising arc would've mercifully never happened.
 
When people ask why such a popular series is getting shitcanned after the major revelation (to anime watchers), this is why. They know its garbage, they know what is coming and they're going to get a second string studio to spend as little money on it as possible.

When the 4fags who suck Isayama's cock can't even defend this garbage, you know the story is in trouble.

Also I love how King Cuck's great and magical reason was just 'Oh, I'm a fanatic, we were bad people in the past so we all deserve to die. There's nothing really special I don't know.' Why wouldn't you just murder the ever living fuck out of this dumb faggot?
 
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What makes it all the worse is that most people still don't know how bad the series actually is, and how much shit the anime has to fix. Season three got people who didn't like AoT to say that it's good now, and it's painfully ironic that they say that just as season four is about to get rolled out.

With the original studio abandoning the series to its fate and pawning it off to shittier one, it really makes me wonder how bad the backlash is gonna be once the final season drops.

Also I love how King Cuck's great and magical reason was just 'Oh, I'm a fanatic, we were bad people in the past so we all deserve to die. There's nothing really special I don't know.' Why wouldn't you just murder the ever living fuck out of this dumb faggot?
Fuck if I know, man. Probably because Eren or another one of the Attack Titans influenced him, or something. I don't know. Nothing makes sense in this series anymore.
 
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When people ask why such a popular series is getting shitcanned after the major revelation (to anime watchers), this is why. They know its garbage, they know what is coming and they're going to get a second string studio to spend as little money on it as possible.

When the 4fags who suck Isayama's cock can't even defend this garbage, you know the story is in trouble.

Also I love how King Cuck's great and magical reason was just 'Oh, I'm a fanatic, we were bad people in the past so we all deserve to die. There's nothing really special I don't know.' Why wouldn't you just murder the ever living fuck out of this dumb faggot?
Reminds me of how back when Willy first revealed King Kuck's true reason for creating the walls, I was positive he was lying because it didn't make any sense. If the king wants all the Eldians to die, then why wouldn't he just use his Titan to force them all to kill themselves?

Here we are around 20 chapters later and that's not even close to the most poorly written part since the timeskip.
 
Isayama 'Game of Thrones'd himself. Except this time its in reverse. The anime studio knows whats coming. The money's in the DVDs and Blu-Rays. Just like nobody is going to want a blu-ray of GoT Season 8 or TLJ, nobody is going to fucking want a blu-ray of season 4 of Attack on Titan. I bet money they're pumping that Season 3 Part 2 and Complete Season 3 blu-ray out ASAP.

Its kind of sad that anime studios are so risk averse because profit margins are so thin, that they really couldn't salvage this and typically follow manga adaptions faithfully (except when the Manga isn't finished). In the US, we deviate all the time for dramatic reasons and shit like that. But the problem is they'd have to pen completely new arcs, and I don't think they have the will or the writers for that.

From what I'm seeing, this chapter has basically destroyed the fandom. Nobody is even talking about shipping anymore, just how fucking idiotic this was. I mean, there's one thing to hurt an audience by betraying them. Its another thing for your audience to think your a fucking idiot and abandon you en masse, and instead of any sort of feeling, they remember your story as a terrible joke.

Also its official: I think whoever is writing Attack on Titan: Before the Fall, should be given Attack on Titan wholesale to re-write it. Because that manga is superior in every fucking way to this shit. Its also sad, that spin-off is going to be worthless because nobody is going to give a fuck about AoT after this.

What makes it all the worse is that most people still don't know how bad the series actually is, and how much shit the anime has to fix. Season three got people who didn't like AoT to say that it's good now, and it's painfully ironic that they say just as season four is about to get rolled out.

With the original studio abandoning the series to its fate and pawning it off to shittier one, it really makes me wonder how bad the backlash is gonna be once the final season drops.


Fuck if I know, man. Probably because Eren or another one of the Attack Titans influenced him, or something. I don't know. Nothing makes sense in this series anymore.

You could just explain away anything. Literally anything. Eren could have influenced his father to fuck his mother, hence being the influence for being alive. He is the influence for himself being born. You don't get a bigger time paradox than that.

The story also isn't a time loop, because a time loop implies cause-effect relationships. When you can completely violate space and time, there's no loop. There's complete alteration of the time-line. We have absolutely no idea about anything in the story, because literally every single thing that happened was because of Eren going back in time in Chapter 121. Like I said 'Everything according to plan.'

I'm not going to defend this trainwreck of a chapter but there is one thing I think you guys are getting wrong, which is not your fault, Isayama is horrendous at clarity.

Grisha's PATHS ghost didn't change his mind, what happened was that he saw some time travel bullshit after he killed the Royal family that convinced him that Eren was in the wrong. Then sometime after Grisha somehow hugged Zeke despite Zeke not being physically there, he then saw more time travel bullshit that convinced him AGAIN that Eren was right. You can tell because after Zeke exits the memories, Eren tells Zeke he should see the memory where Grisha injects him.

With that out of the way, there's two big plot holes this chapter introduced, which is pretty small compared to the five thousand that is normally added with every chapter.

Both are about the memory where Grisha kills the Royal family. The first one is Grisha temporarily giving up because he'll have to kill the kids. Not only is this completely out of character for someone as stubborn and dedicated as him, remember, this is the same guy who carried a (completely deserved) grudge against his dad for decades, but giving up wouldn't even save the kids. King Kuck just fucking explained to him that he plans on his kids being killed by Marley, who don't seem to give a shit that their mom just said they deserve to die. Giving up doesn't mean saving those kids, it just means that everyone else goes down with them, something Grisha forgot not even ten minutes after it was explained to him.

The second is that the Uprising arc made it very clear that King Kuck refused to ever tell anyone why he won't stop the Titans. We know Rod wasn't lying when he said that because we saw his memories of his father locking him a cell for asking a question. Yet here King Kuck says why he won't stop the Titans, right in front of his family, including Rod. It's easy to forget but the whole reason why Rod sided with the king was because he assumed he had some knowledge that justified his actions. If he knew that it was just self-hatred, then he wouldn't have sided with him, ergo the Uprising arc would've mercifully never happened.

That's even fucking dumber. So he changed his mind 3 times. First, he's not going to kill them (which as stated, makes no fucking sense. If I found out that the pacifism was really fanatical self loathing, I would have murdered every one of them). Then, Eren tells him to kill them, so he kills them. Then he talks to Zeke, and changes his mind and wants to stop Eren. Then changes his mind AGAIN and injects Eren. Which means Eren HAD to know Grisha told Zeke to stop Eren, because Eren has all of these memories and can alter them at a whim. Isayama is just being a faggot and changed the rules for the sake of another non-cliffhanger. (If Zeke wins, the story is over, so he can't win).

What's hilarious is that you missed something too. Eren specifically told Grisha to spare Rod. So Rod didn't escape by accident. He was let go. Specifically so Historia could become Queen. So Eren set in motion the entire events of the Uprising Arc. lol.

Reminds me of how back when Willy first revealed King Kuck's true reason for creating the walls, I was positive he was lying because it didn't make any sense. If the king wants all the Eldians to die, then why wouldn't he just use his Titan to force them all to kill themselves?

Here we are around 20 chapters later and that's not even close to the most poorly written part since the timeskip.

I think I can explain that. As dumb as it is. King Cuck wanted Eldians to fucking suffer. I mean his self loathing was that intense, he was willing to subject them to total fear and terror for centuries. He was willing to let them be eaten alive. He made them forget, so they could NEVER repent. He not only took away what they did, but their option to be forgiven for it, because he didn't think they deserved to be forgiven. To view him as anything other than an evil monster at this point is impossible. Just because he was a 'pacifist' doesn't make him 'good'. He's a monstrous piece of shit complicit in the suffering of his own people.

I mean, just imagine how shitty a revelation that is.

"Oh, he must know some horrifying secret as to not resist this!"

"Nope, he's just a massively evil fanatic who wants his people to massively suffer and torture them before they die and then they rot in hell."

"....but, they just won a world war and then destroyed themselves through sickness and famine and the world genocided them. Wasn't that enough?"

"Nope. They have to suffer continually and die for all eternity because they're Jews Eldians and when they conquered the world that single time, even though it didn't last and they suffered major civil wars, disease, famine, the humiliation of defeat, they still needed to suffer more."

"That's fucking re.tarded."

@Bunny Tracks, there's no protagonist, there's no antagonist. This story now, officially, has no fucking characters because none of them have any agency. Gaby blowing Eren's head off was planned. The Uprising and Historia becoming Queen was planned. They have 0 agency themselves. Also think about it. Everyone was a slave to the founding Titan. Now everyone is a slave to Eren's will. In this point, every single character is basically a pawn in a time travel story for Satan. I mean, don't be shocked next chapter if Eren turns Ymir around easily and stops her. He looks to Zeke with a smile and says:


Except you know, Eren's Satan.
 
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Isayama 'Game of Thrones'd himself. Except this time its in reverse. The anime studio knows whats coming. The money's in the DVDs and Blu-Rays. Just like nobody is going to want a blu-ray of GoT Season 8 or TLJ, nobody is going to fucking want a blu-ray of season 4 of Attack on Titan. I bet money they're pumping that Season 3 Part 2 and Complete Season 3 blu-ray out ASAP.
The best part is Isayama actually hates how GoT ended, one of the few times he's been right about something. Come to think of it, wasn't Gabi 360noscoping Eren basically the AoT version of Aya killing the Night King? Both scenes involve a young girl nearly effortlessly killing the strongest character in their respective series in a way that made absolutely no fucking sense, and also mark the point where each series became complete shit that even a sudden change in writers couldn't fix.

What's hilarious is that you missed something too. Eren specifically told Grisha to spare Rod. So Rod didn't escape by accident. He was let go. Specifically so Historia could become Queen. So Eren set in motion the entire events of the Uprising Arc. lol.
Eren fucked up big time. Rod wasn't needed for Historia to take the crown, all that was needed for Historia to become queen for Erwin and Pyxis to pull off their coup, something they did without any help from Historia. Course, logically speaking it wouldn't be that fucking easy to completely topple an entire government, but that's just how it goes in the 2realistic4u world of AoT.

I think I can explain that. As dumb as it is. King Cuck wanted Eldians to fucking suffer. I mean his self loathing was that intense, he was willing to subject them to total fear and terror for centuries. He was willing to let them be eaten alive. He made them forget, so they could NEVER repent. He not only took away what they did, but their option to be forgiven for it, because he didn't think they deserved to be forgiven. To view him as anything other than an evil monster at this point is impossible. Just because he was a 'pacifist' doesn't make him 'good'. He's a monstrous piece of shit complicit in the suffering of his own people.
You know, the mindset would work very well for a villain, if it was portrayed as being completely evil, instead of Isayama trying to make him and Willy pitiable. Godwin's law and all that, but Hitler was someone who also sought the genocide of his own race, is Isayama saying we should sympathize with him? Who am I kidding? Of course he is.

I've noticed that ever since the basement, Isayama is constantly having good ideas and fucking them up horribly. I know it's rare for someone who thought AoT was complete shit from day one to say this, but I absolutely loved almost everything from the basement to the ocean. The twist itself was brilliant and original, it had enough foreshadowing, Grisha was a fantastic character, and the pacing was finally faster then a snail. In fact, the pacing was actually perfect.

The reason Grisha's story worked so well, and it's clear that Isayama never realized this, is because of how simple it is. He was just someone who lost his sister to corrupt authority figures and wanted justice. It made him relatable, easy to sympathize with, and he was written in a way that didn't make him just a bland cardboard cut out for the audience to insert themselves. Of course, Isayama absolutely shat all over this by turning this into some bizarre conspiracy with a million different fucking twists that don't make any sense, but at the time Grisha didn't suffer from any of the series' flaws. Except for being drawn poorly, of course.

The basic idea behind Armin and the others betraying Eren for ideological reasons (with Floch and Historia being the his only remaining friends) was great. It could've been an interesting discussion on the difference between doing what's nice (trying to be diplomatic even when it's clear it's only to get your friends killed) and doing what's right (killing an enemy that you know for a fact is just biding his time to strike). And I know original doesn't equal good, but spending three fourths of your series building up their friendship and then in the last fourth tearing it apart and having it never heal would be a great original idea.

The problem aside from the pacing, characters, art, hideous new character designs, and writing, is that Isayama took Armin's side and that his idea of a morally grey government is Nazi Germany.
 
I’ve given up on trying to understand what the fuck is going on at this point.
You, and everyone else in the fandom, man, and if this interesting tidbit I found on Tumblr is true, not even Isayama knows.

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If this is correct, it explains why every recent chapter seems to be contradicting the one prior to it, why everyone's motives make no sense and why we still don't know what Eren's even are yet. Isayama has just been changing his mind for the entire forth arc. As for him projecting himself onto Eren now, I'm not even gonna touch on that, because fucking wow.
 
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It means that Eren is the only character now in Attack on Titan. Maybe Zeke.

The best part is Isayama actually hates how GoT ended, one of the few times he's been right about something. Come to think of it, wasn't Gabi 360noscoping Eren basically the AoT version of Aya killing the Night King? Both scenes involve a young girl nearly effortlessly killing the strongest character in their respective series in a way that made absolutely no fucking sense, and also mark the point where each series became complete shit that even a sudden change in writers couldn't fix.


Eren fucked up big time. Rod wasn't needed for Historia to take the crown, all that was needed for Historia to become queen for Erwin and Pyxis to pull off their coup, something they did without any help from Historia. Course, logically speaking it wouldn't be that fucking easy to completely topple an entire government, but that's just how it goes in the 2realistic4u world of AoT.


You know, the mindset would work very well for a villain, if it was portrayed as being completely evil, instead of Isayama trying to make him and Willy pitiable. Godwin's law and all that, but Hitler was someone who also sought the genocide of his own race, is Isayama saying we should sympathize with him? Who am I kidding? Of course he is.

I've noticed that ever since the basement, Isayama is constantly having good ideas and fucking them up horribly. I know it's rare for someone who thought AoT was complete shit from day one to say this, but I absolutely loved almost everything from the basement to the ocean. The twist itself was brilliant and original, it had enough foreshadowing, Grisha was a fantastic character, and the pacing was finally faster then a snail. In fact, the pacing was actually perfect.

The reason Grisha's story worked so well, and it's clear that Isayama never realized this, is because of how simple it is. He was just someone who lost his sister to corrupt authority figures and wanted justice. It made him relatable, easy to sympathize with, and he was written in a way that didn't make him just a bland cardboard cut out for the audience to insert themselves. Of course, Isayama absolutely shat all over this by turning this into some bizarre conspiracy with a million different fucking twists that don't make any sense, but at the time Grisha didn't suffer from any of the series' flaws. Except for being drawn poorly, of course.

The basic idea behind Armin and the others betraying Eren for ideological reasons (with Floch and Historia being the his only remaining friends) was great. It could've been an interesting discussion on the difference between doing what's nice (trying to be diplomatic even when it's clear it's only to get your friends killed) and doing what's right (killing an enemy that you know for a fact is just biding his time to strike). And I know original doesn't equal good, but spending three fourths of your series building up their friendship and then in the last fourth tearing it apart and having it never heal would be a great original idea.

The problem aside from the pacing, characters, art, hideous new character designs, and writing, is that Isayama took Armin's side and that his idea of a morally grey government is Nazi Germany.

Yeah, Gabi is clearly an Arya insert as well as a Mary Sue. But the funny thing is Eren could have whispered to Gabi all the things she needed to do to kill him. She might not ha e had any will of her own. Like I said, because the story has become one that transcends time, nothing matters and no character action is their own. Frankly this chapter was pure idiotic garbage and killed any chance of recovery for this story. Because now it's possible Eren just manipulated everything from the start, so no character has any motivation anymore. It's all Eren because he has the Godlike power of transcending time and space. So everything could be artificial, destroying any emotion this story had.

Isayama never stuck to his own rules, so it doesn't matter. Also this 'gritty' and 'realistic' story is fucking laughable now.

I genuinely think Isayama is autistic. Not as an insult, but as a high functioning autistic. He doesn't seem to understand emotion or how people are viewed. A pacifist that's the villain is a great touch. All his actions are genuinely evil. Making the innocent suffer horrific torment because of his own beliefs. I have no sympathy for King Cuck and it's a joke now if Isayama believes anyone else will.

Here's how that scene should have went:

Grisha pleads with King Cuck to tell him why he's so pacifist and allows everyone to die and suffer. He reveals the same thing. That everyone is going to suffer and die because they deserve it. Even him and his children.

Grisha is crushed by this revelation. It literally fucking breaks him. That the founder wasn't doing this for anything but his own selfish beliefs. That he's willing to kill his own children and have them devoured. He pleads with King Cuck for the sake of his children. Then he goes 'We all deserve this'. And then Grisha gets insane, 'What about my fucking kids?!' And he absolutely loses his shit and goes ham. If they're dead anyway, it might as well be for a purpose. He's not wracked with guilt, but a dark purpose. He gifts Eren the Attack Titan, knowing he is the only one who can free them. Taking that motivation away from Grisha is fucking criminal IMO. You are right. As much as I hate this story and laugh at it, there are good ideas here. Too bad they're executed by an autistic faggot.

It's a nice touch but its complex, from going to childhood friends to ideological enemies. It needs to be done well. Isayama cannot write worth a fuck so its pointless.

The funny thing is that a morally grey Nazi Germany is the least of AoT's problem now. Which is hysterical when you think about it. I mean, I didn't think it could get any worse but here we are. Arguing over the morality of Eren's Dresden seems fucking quaint now. The damage done to the story is basically terminal at this point. The problem is that there is no saving it. Before I could think of about half a dozen ways to improve it.

Now I really can't think of any. You've stripped agency for the majority of your cast. There's really no recovering from that.
 
Now I really can't think of any. You've stripped agency for the majority of your cast. There's really no recovering from that.
I mean, there are still some characters I like and am technically rooting for, and when I say that, I mean I would prefer that they win, because to me they're the only likable characters left. Connie, Annie, Mikasa, and I guess by extension, Armin.

Literally everyone else is either dead, had their character fucked up, or are MIA. Kenny? Dead. Sasha? Dead. Marco? Dead. Pixis? Titanized, and therefore, dead. Annie? Still a human disco ball. Reiner? Don't care about him. Bertholdt? Dead. Historia? Liked her back when she was Krista, and disliked ever since it was revealed she was royalty. Ymir? Never really liked her, and now that she's...something, at this point, I dislike her even more. Erwin? Never liked him, and dead. Levi? Tolerated him at best, but now I hate him more than any other character. Hange? Used to love her, but then all the shit in the Uprising arc happened, and now I'm indifferent to her. Jean? I loved him until it was revealed that he was tsundere for Eren the entire time, and then I dropped him like a hot rock.

All of the Marleyans can go die for all I care, Zeke included.

I don't even know how to feel about Eren at this point. I'm just utterly baffled at his character right now.

Really, I'm just sticking around to see if Isayama actually killed Levi. To me, there's no point in caring for the plot at this point. It's not worth the effort. I'm just waiting to see who's left standing by the end of this trashfire.
 
Okay, so I know it's kinda pointless to speculate on this, but what do you guys think is gonna happen now? Because I just thought of something horrifying, and well, just look at the poll.

Edit: I can't fucking proofread to save my life.
 
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So Eren is just God now, using and influencing spacetime?
 
So Eren is just God now, using and influencing spacetime?
He's not God, he's Satan apparently, but he is influencing space and time. With all the stupid shit that just keeps getting piled into this series, I honestly don't even remember if God even exists in AoT. I mean, I think Ymir is supposed to be God, but I genuinely cannot remember if that was ever explicitly stated.
 
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