Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Feline Darkmage]

I would argue that Marley is similar to Nazi Germany but not Nazi Germany since their treatment and interactions with Eldians is way different from the Nazis to Jews.

Yeah you're correct. There's no gas chambers in AoT (because thank god there aren't). The parallels are super strong, however. Especially all of the internment camps and the "Devil's Children" and generational guilt stuff mirroring real life anti-semitism/racism.

Also self-loathing Eldians like Zeke and King Cuck.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Ah gotcha. Yeah, my stuff is very subjective, its just not my thing really. I'm getting very tired of mystery boxes and 'subverting expectations' so much I want to take both JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson to the desert and put two behind each of their ears for completely fucking this creative landscape.

Its been awhile and its entirely possible I got the Ackerman's/Asians confused.

Holy shit, I hope it's him. That would make me laugh harder than anything else in the entire series. Can you imagine Levi's face if he learned that his uncle fucked the queen? I think it'd be way funnier than Eren's face if he learned that his dad was the father. I'm just imagining it like it's an episode of Maury.


Oh okay, that makes a lot more sense. Shame Isayama fucked it up so badly.

Yeah, when I say a Dresden, I mean that in the historical term. Its basically identical. Dresden was Germany's industrial center at that time of the war and basically firebombing the ever-living fuck out of them crippled them forever.

Eren basically wipes out their capability to fight. Instead of negotiating, they just do a suicide mission. I mean, there's no chance of them winning it. So you know when he killed civilians its kind of like...ok. I mean, an island you've tortured for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years just woke up to that fact. You're not gonna let them live. So Eren just rips their heart out before they can strike. I mean, I'd agree with you if he just chimps out and goes stomping on the suburbs, but that's not what he did.

But honestly, I don't know how its going to end. Hopefully Isayma will finally grace us with what the fuck Eren's intentions are so we can get this ball fucking rolling. But still, everybody should just go watch Monster instead.

And JoJo. Always Jojo. (People who hate Shonen and think they are above Jojo are faggots)

 

[Fougaro]

You're forcing me to use YouTube.

Please don't! Staring in gay porn is going to make you less of a faggot than being a YouTuber.

 

[The Great Chandler]

I'm surprised no one brought up the Toho movie because it has a better story take on AOT than the Manga/Anime themselves.

 

[Niggernerd]

Basically the series wishes it was coherent like Gundam Z

 

[Stay safe]

I'm surprised no one brought up the Toho movie because it has a better story take on AOT than the Manga/Anime themselves.

Presentation wise, it was vastly superior to the anime and manga. It managed to actually make the Titans actually look genuinely disturbing, instead of hilarious like in the anime and manga. Isayama seems to think that the way to pull off the uncanny valley is just to draw really detailed faces. In reality, the uncanny valley is something that has to be done with very subtle details. And seeing how Isayama dedicated a scene to Eren explaining to the viewers exactly how they're supposed to feel about Historia's drastic change in personality, it's clear he has zero idea what the word subtle even means.

Normally I would say music is the one area the anime beats the live action films in presentation, but someone in the editing team is fucking determined to waste Sawano's work. Mankind's Counterattack is one of his best songs ever and it's used in a scene of the Levi squad talking about piss.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Please don't! Staring in gay porn is going to make you less of a faggot than being a YouTuber.

I've thought about it a lot. Problem is I don't want to hold back my opinion or language. I'm not going to compromise my words for ad revenue or the platform itself. Basically if I did do it, I'd be de-listed, demonetized and eventually sanitized with the rest of the platform. Now's actually the worst time to go into that sort of thing because they're basically already instituting their creator Shoah by starving them and hiding their videos and shit. Its really only a matter of time.

Another part of it is that I'm the S in STEM and I don't have a lot of energy to edit, which will take hours. Some days I'll come home make a post or two and collapse. I'd rather shitpost, write stories and do vidya with my time than post on a platform which will only want to get rid of me. If I needed money, I'd rather write pornography and sell it on amazon. At least then I wouldn't be a whore.

Besides, don't you want me all to yourselves, in all my asshole glory?

I'm surprised no one brought up the Toho movie because it has a better story take on AOT than the Manga/Anime themselves.

I just read the spoilers and its basically far, far better than the manga/anime in terms of story. The problem is that live-action anime movies usually suck and international movies really don't have the budget to pull it off. The exception with the live-action version is that the titan design is FAR better, but they're more like traditional zombies with grey flesh and rotted features.

The thing is that Isayama was originally going to go with the post-apocalyptic future humanity, but ditched it for the more medieval one we have now. Which is fine. I mean, I've already discussed like 5 different ways you could have done this and multiple ways Isayama could even have done the Marley stuff with competence. He's just chosen the worst route possible.

That being said, I love to laugh at and dissect this story. It really serves as a very good example of what not to do and how to take a good concept and ruin it. I understand other people like it and I don't typically shit on people for liking something I hate. Except woke garbage that's ruining art. Besides, I like to debate the merits with people who like it. An echo chamber is boring. And a lot of times I'm just being very hyperbolic, so if you want to engage, I'll def tone it down.

I guess that's the funny thing with the farms, we can be more civil than most platforms out there.

Yeah you're correct. There's no gas chambers in AoT (because thank god there aren't). The parallels are super strong, however. Especially all of the internment camps and the "Devil's Children" and generational guilt stuff mirroring real life anti-semitism/racism.

Also self-loathing Eldians like Zeke and King Cuck.

You know he was going to include something like that and the editor was like 'Ok captain autism, that's a bridge too fucking far. People get the metaphor.'

 

[Tetra]

One of the big lessons (and why he went with "both sides do awful things" story) is that propaganda and whitewashing your own countries history is endemic regardless of 'sides'. Everyone tells themselves lies.

Both sides can be as awful and edit their history as much as they want, but I'll still support eren going full dresden on those fuckers because of THIS FUCKER

God I can't wait to see that shit animated


I wanted to say "Because he existed" but we only saw him in Grishas flashback and he could have edited his memory to show eren how bad they are.

 

[Feline Darkmage]

Both sides can be as awful and edit their history as much as they want, but I'll still support eren going full dresden on those fuckers because of THIS FUCKER

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God I can't wait to see that shit animated


I wanted to say "Because he existed" but we only saw him in Grishas flashback and he could have edited his memory to show eren how bad they are.

Yeah fuck that fat Hitler. That little fuck.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

So, unpopular opinion but I really like chapter 120 and the series as a whole. For something that started out as a bland normie anime that got way too popular it's really come into it's own as a thought provoking piece. This series has a very relateable human element to it that seems to be sorely lacking in a lot of other modern stories. On some level I can reasonably understand why each character has taken the actions they have, at least for the most part. Obviously certain characters could use some polish and development but overall I believe we've been given a firm grasp on their history and how that has shaped their lives and decisions. On some level I think this story means a lot to me. Not in that it's perfect or anything. Far from it. Rather it's what this story stands for and what I believe it's trying to teach the reader. I think another poster put it perfectly when he called it a "parable".

TL;DR
Fuck you guys, this gives me the feels.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

You know, I think we should have some positivity in this thread before the new chapter comes out and inevitably drives some of us to rant for a full three pages. Not that ranting isn't fun, but I feel like we should lighten up a little bit for the time being. So here's a question I've been meaning to ask for a while.

Who's your favorite character, and why?

For me, it's hands down Kenny Ackerman. The main reasons being that a) he's really fucking funny, b) he's strong enough to keep up with Levi, and provide an actual challenge for him, and most importantly c) he's the closest thing we got to having a redneck/cowboy in this series.

I really wish he was still alive. He had so much potential.

 

[Feline Darkmage]

I just found this vid recently

Why Bad Anime is Good: Attack on Titan and the Transitional Series

A critical examination of the role Attack on Titan plays in the anime community and why its contribution to our intellectual development is important. TWALTE...

www.youtube.com

I recommend it since it also touches on the edgy anti-religion sentiment that's been discussed here.

Who's your favorite character, and why?

That's tough because I love most of them?
Hanji Shitty Glasses Zoe is pretty great. Funny mad scientist but also capable of some pretty deep emotional shit. Also asplosion spears.

 

[HeyYou]

You know, I think we should have some positivity in this thread before the new chapter comes out and inevitably drives some of us to rant for a full three pages. Not that ranting isn't fun, but I feel like we should lighten up a little bit for the time being. So here's a question I've been meaning to ask for a while.

Who's your favorite character, and why?

For me, it's hands down Kenny Ackerman. The main reasons being that a) he's really fucking funny, b) he's strong enough to keep up with Levi, and provide an actual challenge for him, and most importantly c) he's the closest thing we got to having a redneck/cowboy in this series.

I really wish he was still alive. He had so much potential.

Unironically Eren. I like Falco too, he's just brought down by being tied to fucking Gabi.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

You know, I think we should have some positivity in this thread before the new chapter comes out and inevitably drives some of us to rant for a full three pages. Not that ranting isn't fun, but I feel like we should lighten up a little bit for the time being. So here's a question I've been meaning to ask for a while.

Who's your favorite character, and why?

For me, it's hands down Kenny Ackerman. The main reasons being that a) he's really fucking funny, b) he's strong enough to keep up with Levi, and provide an actual challenge for him, and most importantly c) he's the closest thing we got to having a redneck/cowboy in this series.

I really wish he was still alive. He had so much potential.

My favorite character is probably Reiner though follow ups would be Zeke, Kenny, Sasha, Jean, Levi, and Erwin Smith.


I like Reiner because he honestly felt like the most developed character as he is fairly humanized despite being an antagonist because he clearly doesn't want to harm anyone but he has no choice but too. He also has a fairly tragic life that makes me sympathize with him and he just wants to die at this point.

At this point I am rooting for him more than anyone else since he is the clear underdog.

 

[Nobunaga]

And JoJo. Always Jojo. (People who hate Shonen and think they are above Jojo are faggots)

Jojo just like with AOT is asspull of the week
But atleast jojo is entertaining with their asspulls

 

[Draza]

Chapter 121 is out: https://mangadex.org/chapter/702638/1

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Well, Grisha just told Zeke to stop Eren. That can't be good. Also things just got a fuck ton more confusing, if that was even possible. Like, to the point where even people on Tumblr are getting pissed about how convoluted this is. I'm gonna let @Secret Asshole do the recap because I'm even more lost than usual.

Also there's still no sign of Levi or Hange. And, apparently PATHs is just a full-on time machine now...? Or at least let's you see into the future...? I have no idea. All I know is that Isayama seems absolutely hellbent on making Eren the villain now.

Edit: Okay, so if I'm understanding this right, Eren used the power the PATHs to influence Grisha to kill the Reiss family, and he now has the power to influence the past, present, and future.

Edit: Eren used the power of the PATHs to make the basement promise with his dad in the first place, and if I'm following the subtext correctly, Eren is responsible for everything in the series, and this is a fucking time loop.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Jojo just like with AOT is asspull of the week
But atleast jojo is entertaining with their asspulls

Araki violates his own rules for entertainment value and to amp up the story. Jojo from Part 1 has all been about asspulls, by literally everyone. Isayama does because he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing and needs something to happen.

The difference is Jojo doesn't take itself 100% seriously. AoT most certainly does.

Chapter 121 is out: https://mangadex.org/chapter/702638/1

CALLED THAT SHIT, BOOM.

*cough*

Ahem.

Well, Grisha just told Zeke to stop Eren. That can't be good. Also things just got a fuck ton more confusing, if that was even possible. Like, to the point where even people on Tumblr are getting pissed about how convoluted this is. I'm gonna let @Secret Asshole do the recap because I'm even more lost than usual.

Also there's still no sign of Levi or Hange. And, apparently PATHs is just a full-on time machine now...? Or at least let's you see into the future...? I have no idea. All I know is that Isayama seems absolutely hellbent on making Eren the villain now.

Alright, I'll explain. AoT is now a time-travel story. Everything you knew is out the window. Because Isayama hasn't cogently thought this up as a time travel story, none of it makes any singular sort of sense. I mean even less now. Which is a literary feat. "Grisha was an asshole" "Grisha was a good guy" "Grisha killed the royal family because everyone was going to die" "Grisha killed the royal family because he's schizophrenic now and seeing future Eren."

I mean, what you can take away from this chapter is nothing in AoT matters. Not a singular fucking thing. Every event, every incident, could be explained away as a ghost person whispering in someone's ear through PATHs, making them do stupid shit. No one has any more motivation.

PATHs is worse than a time machine, because unlike Time Travel Stories with multiple universes, Attack on Titan allows DEAD CHARACTERS TO INTERACT WITH LIVING ONES AND EFFECT EVENTS. THROUGHOUT FUCKING TIME. Its more than just a singular time point universe. When you consider this, its even worse.

The Attack Titan allows one, through paths, to see and INTERACT with people through time. Through the fucking future AND the past. So you can interact with a long dead person. And he can somehow magically communicate to you, because he has the Attack Titan, he saw Eren's future and wanted it. But then he's dead and he regre.....

Wait.

Wait wait wait.

How can a dead character CHANGE HIS MIND? HE'S FUCKING DEAD. Yeah, you see the problem here. Every Attack Titan holder can do what Eren just did. And apparently, they grow and evolve through...nothing. Because in Attack on Titan, time, no longer fucking exists.

Nothing is ever set in stone. Everything is fluid. Since PATHs is the intersection of time and space, and the Attack Titan can move through time and space, it can constantly change what goes on, regardless of who is alive or dead. How did Grisha change his mind? The time travel presented here is extraordinarily concrete.

The massive, massive problems is that Eren convincing Grisha to kill the Royal family, happens in Chapter 121. He wasn't going to kill them back in Chapter 1. This is an obvious time paradox. If Grisha doesn't kill the royal family, the Attack Titan never goes to Eren, if it never goes to Eren, Grisha never kills the Royal Family. Hence, paradox, since Eren influences Grisha to kill them.

Every Eldian is connected through PATHs. PATHs is the intersection between time and space. Every user of the Attack Titan can travel through time, through the memories of the previous user. However, because time and space do not matter, Grisha, technically is never dead. He's like frozen. So he'd have eons of time to think on his actions. But to him, it'd be the same instant he agreed with Eren. Because technically, Grisha is standing still, and presumably, can think and doesn't even know he's dead. Only Eren is moving.

Because Eren can see time and space, future and past, he can see the future and make it come to pass. Which creates another paradox because how didn't he see Zeke betray him? Oh, cheap drama. If Eren can see the future and knew he was going to be 'ITS A BASEBALL' in Zeke's hand, how did he not see Zeke going against his future? My prediction is that he knows how to stop Ymir. Or stops Ymir.

The other problem is the other Attack Titan users. They would have been able to see the future. They would have seen Eren, his plan, the revelations, which creates even more paradoxes. You can argue 'oh but Grisha is the only one that figured it out' fucking bullshit. Please nigger. Grisha saw Eren's future. Also, why would there be a Titan against the first King's will? (BECAUSE THAT IS SATAN'S TITAN). I mean, isn't it kind of obvious at this point? Eren's Satan? Why not. Makes more fucking sense than any of this dumb bullshit. Going against 'turn the other cheek, die rather than resist (not even Ghandi held this philosophy. He said if your only choice was to be shot in the back or a slave, you take up a gun and you shoot bitches. Obviously this never happened in India so he didn't need to do it. But King Cuck wanted it, so fuck it. And fuck Grisha too. Pussy ass fucking bitch).

Though, the logic of PATHs and its rules are frankly nonsensical. Isayama has still hidden Eren's motives from us. But really, who cares? Time travel stories are inherently confusing if done sloppily (And if you think this isn't sloppy, you're illiterate. I'm just going to say it, sorry. This magical time and space travel did not exist and was not planned for) and tossing that in with all the inane bullshit this story has thrown at you made it worse.

So, to sum up: PATHs links every Attack Titan's users mind together. PATHs transcends time and space. Hence, time nor space does not exist for users of the Attack Titan that goes against the founder, because they can move through time and space (these rules do not make any fucking sense). Eren goes against the founder, the first one to, using Zeke to reach the Coordinate. Here, he convinces his father through physical manifestation, to kill the royal family and the founder, which he does in Chapter 1. The incident from Chapter 1 is a direct result of Eren arriving at the Coordinate in Chapter 121. This is a time paradox. In that same moment, just after killing him and agreeing to Eren's future, Grisha regrets doing it and begs Zeke to stop Eren. Why agree and disagree? Because infinite time has passed and he has changed his mind. The future and past is all happening at once. Isayama either: A) Purposefully limits the Attack Titan's time travel power to create a cliffhanger where Zeke wins or B) Create a fake Cliffhanger where Eren has already shaped the future and nothing can be changed. Or C) Made this a very poorly thought out time travel story where everything you've been reading has been pre-determined and there are even less stakes than before. If I were writing it, Eren would go back in time, see the first Attack Titan user, influence him to make Ymir listen to him, then go right back to PATHs. Because nothing matters. Time doesn't exist. I'd make it so Eren never fails and every other chapter would be a new time travel magical adventure in fucking your audience up.

So. My thoughts on the writing.

Holy shit, is it piss poor. Time travel is a very dangerous, very story-ruining element that needs to be handled with a dry erase board, lots of markers and post-its. Isayama threw it in, because why not. So its basically shoe-horned into the plot. Grisha doesn't have a cohesive character of his own. The time-travel powers of the Attack Titan are extremely vague, follow ill-defined rules. Its, in general, a bad chapter overall and really indicates that Isayama does not know how to end this and needed time-travel as an out. I'm still calling that Isayama thinks turning the 'hero as Jesus' into 'hero as Satan' is brilliant and has his head up his ass. I notice what you're doing, you cheeky, autistic Japanese faggot.

Also I'm rooting for Satan in this story. Fuck everyone in this piece of shit. Kill all of them. End the world. Its garbage. DO IT EREN SATAN

 

[Bunny Tracks]

...Uh, first of all...

Does this mean that Eren has influenced every single event? Even the ones that make no sense? Is that why the Court Room scene happened? Because Eren influenced Levi to kick his ass? How, and how far does this go? Like, did Eren influence his father to fuck his mom and therefore create him? Is Eren responsible for the creation of the titans themselves? How deep is this fucking rabbit hole?

More importantly, if Eren can influence all of time and space with seemingly no impact on whether he is alive or dead because in this world they're basically the same thing, THEN WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HE STOP THE NAZIS KoM AND THE TITANS FROM BEING A THING IN THE FIRST PLACE?!

I guess because he's fucking Satan now, but that doesn't explain anything! Did he do all this just for the lulz? Survival can't be a thing, because once again, be dead or alive means jack shit in this universe now!

Holy fucking shit, I know I've said that Isayama has broken the plot of his series before, but now he's just straight-up fucking nuked it.

The entire plot of this series now makes absolutely no fucking sense.

 

[Secret Asshole]

To be fair, Eren can only go back in time with previous users of the Attack Titan. But you're right. This can go to ridiculous degrees. He can go all the way back to the first user of the Attack Titan and influence history.

And technically yes, Eren could influence his father to conceive himself. Theoretically.

Also Eren sent himself the future in the past and he was crying because it was so beautiful. So many corpses, so much screaming, so much death *sniffs*

Also if he thinks Isayma can hurt his audience with this dumb bullshit he is a full on autistic fucktard.

Wait wait wait....I forgot the most important part....he's copying game of thrones with it's time travel element. HAHAHAHH

HOLY SHIT

What a fucking hack piece of trash.