Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Uranus Pink]

Yeah world tree and all that horse shit, but where did it come from in world? did Odin just decide to drop his trousers and put his cock down a hole for a 6 year old to find and take a bite of?

Swipe out Odin for Zeus and the 6 year old for a 16 year old and no one would notice if you snuck that into a Greek myth book.

 

[Draza]

I’d say my major gripe is why Marley even planned an invasion on the island in the first place. It’s more or less said the purpose of the mission was to reclaim the Founder back in Marley’s control.

Though the problem I have with this is that it honestly makes no sense for a nation such as Marley to enact such a plan. The reason Marley wants the Founding Titan is because with it, they would be able to control all titans. But you also know that Zeke can control titans that come from his spinal fluid so wouldn’t the best course of action be to have Zeke bear children to keep that bloodline ability going? Do they not even try to test that theory out as a lab experiment in the making years from now?

Furthermore, they’re willing to go against the Founding Titan regardless of the consequences. What if the king’s threat were real? Then Marley wouldn’t have to only worry about a technological warfare against countries but also a warfare against those countries AND the Founding Titan. The same titan that can bring the walled titans out to flatten all civilization. The same titan that can supposedly control all Eldians such as the ones segregated in Marley to become titans and to then destroy the country. The risk is way too high.

And when you think further about it, Marley’s desire for the Founding Titan’s power makes further less sense. One of the first scenes we have of Marley at war is how weak the titans are at technologically advanced warfare. It makes no sense for the government of Marley to want to risk so much for a weapon that’ll be destroyed easily. And I also won’t take that technology advanced that far in that time to make titans obsolete.

Marley planned the operation on Paradis on the year 845 and then we see the downfall of the Armor Titan to the equivalent of tank shells in 850. I cannot suspend my disbelief that Marley who were already technologically advanced could not see that a mere five years wouldn’t make Titans cannon fodder. And even if they had controlled the Founding Titan, all they know about it’s abilities is a threat that they believe to be untrue.

It’d be wiser to spend all your assets and manpower cultivating weapons strong enough to kill any attempt at using titans by anyone. So again I ask, why the hell did they invade Paradis?

Past chapters have shown that the other main reason why Marley wanted to invade and destroy Paradis was to gain direct access to the natural resources hidden within the Island. Which was vast quantity of oil. Having access to that will give them a huge advantage over countries in the world. Gaining control over the Coordinate/Founding Titan was just a bonus for the invasion.

Edit: Which invasion you're talking about? The one that happened in 845 ( Reiner,Annie, Bertholdt, and Marcel into Paradis) or the current one in 854 that just failed now in the latest chapters?

 

[Safir]

they decide to try fucktarded combinations that don't work, like adding vinegar to ice cream.

Honestly, "pineapple on pizza" would've been less embarrassing.

 

[Shady Attorney]

Past chapters have shown that the other main reason why Marley wanted to invade and destroy Paradis was to gain direct access to the natural resources hidden within the Island. Which was vast quantity of oil. Having access to that will give them a huge advantage over countries in the world. Gaining control over the Coordinate/Founding Titan was just a bonus for the invasion.

Edit: Which invasion you're talking about? The one that happened in 845 ( Reiner,Annie, Bertholdt, and Marcel into Paradis) or the current one in 854 that just failed now in the latest chapters?

I had to look up the resources claim but I only found Zeke talking to the Cart Titan about that being necessary to do. He’s the only one wanting resources from Paradis when I skimmed a couple chapters.

When Zeke told the military leaders for reasons to invade Paradis again, they were only swayed from the idea of invading and gaining all titans. Zeke never swayed them with the idea of obtaining resources. In fact, the main mission for the original invasion on Paradis never mentioned a need for resources either. So really the only person that I’ve seen talk about resources is Zeke who has no authority on any matters in the military or government.

And if Marley had the advantage of military for centuries, wouldn’t it have been easier to take over other countries ahead of time for their resources? And not strictly for oil. A country like Marley would have had incentive to take over other nations for gold, silver, coal, etc.

And I was talking about the 845 invasion from the titans

Edit: well I just double checked and The Owl did mention the government wanted to go to Paradis for resources in two panels. I still don’t like that it’s essentially Eren giving all this information to others (he pretty much controls every Attack Titan’s words and actions). Especially since it’s almost like justifying his own actions by having someone say something is going on meanwhile every other person in the military never shows the slightest interest in resources nor that they want resources more than the titan’s power. It’s kind of funny how I’m pretty much saying I can’t take an Eldian’s words for why Marleyeans are acting the way they are.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I don't know about that chief. With regard to most modern writers that seems to be the case, but I don't think it's hard for them to create and solve mysteries unless they're writing JJ Abrams style mystery boxes, that is, the mystery is just a bait and switch tactic whose only real purpose is just to draw people in. The other side to that I feel is the hubris aspect where they think it would be too on the nose where the solution to the mystery actually make sense and is somewhat predictable. I just don't get it. It's like these people would snicker at something like Silence of the Lambs these days.

Side note, I probably should just PM you about this, but I've been thinking of talking to you some day about a fairly grandiose story I've had in mind. I'm sort of currently looking for some guide(s) on writing in general (not so much story-telling but just effective writing) that and also how to handle some of the mysteries of the story that don't seem too convoluted hopefully, but I have the nagging feeling you might find the whole thing a tad irritating with my bad grammar, direction I want to take in the story, and perhaps some of the influences in the story. I also am not sure how I would want to distill the whole thing or just parts of it especially since I'm still thinking about it.

Honestly, its just there's this need to keep ahead of the audience too. So when you find out a way to solve it, someone else has already probably solved it too. So you go "FUCK" and just make up some random bullshit that makes no sense. See the game of thrones creators for putting Bran up there because pretty much every good combination was written by someone else.

JJ just has extreme ADD and is another case altogether. He CAN solve his mystery boxes, he's just too addicted to bright lights and shit.

If you want, feel free. I'm so harsh because there's no reason to offer constructive criticism, because Isayama will never read it nor listen. And I like riling up and pissing people off who think this is some work of genius instead of trashy shlock that nobody reads for the story anymore, only to ship the characters together.

Honestly, "pineapple on pizza" would've been less embarrassing.

Hahah, shit, I didn't even know that. Now I want some.

I had to look up the resources claim but I only found Zeke talking to the Cart Titan about that being necessary to do. He’s the only one wanting resources from Paradis when I skimmed a couple chapters.

When Zeke told the military leaders for reasons to invade Paradis again, they were only swayed from the idea of invading and gaining all titans. Zeke never swayed them with the idea of obtaining resources. In fact, the main mission for the original invasion on Paradis never mentioned a need for resources either. So really the only person that I’ve seen talk about resources is Zeke who has no authority on any matters in the military or government.

And if Marley had the advantage of military for centuries, wouldn’t it have been easier to take over other countries ahead of time for their resources? And not strictly for oil. A country like Marley would have had incentive to take over other nations for gold, silver, coal, etc.

And I was talking about the 845 invasion from the titans

Edit: well I just double checked and The Owl did mention the government wanted to go to Paradis for resources in two panels. I still don’t like that it’s essentially Eren giving all this information to others (he pretty much controls every Attack Titan’s words and actions). Especially since it’s almost like justifying his own actions by having someone say something is going on meanwhile every other person in the military never shows the slightest interest in resources nor that they want resources more than the titan’s power. It’s kind of funny how I’m pretty much saying I can’t take an Eldian’s words for why Marleyeans are acting the way they are.

I can answer this for you. Since I just finished up Season 3 of the anime ( I stopped when they got to the basement, Episode 19. I just watched 20, 21 and 22 where fat Hilter gets eaten by a Titan).

Marley invades Paradis not for the founding Titan, but because Paradis has massive oil reserves. Yes, Isayama threw 'Blood for Oil' in the fucking story as well, even though it is basically re.tarded. But this is explicitly stated by the anime as a reason they don't just leave Paradis alone. Because they want the oil and gas reserves to power war machines to make Titans irrelevant.

To be honest, the whole fucking thing is idiotic and it just makes more sense that Marley invades once they find out King Cuck is dead and peace is no longer guaranteed. Its a much simpler way of 'why are they invading now' than all this blood for oil fucktarded nonsense or starting shit with a literal God they have no hope of killing. "Oh shit, the one guy who is pathologically addicted to his own selfish pacifism and cuckery finally got murked. We gotta kill them all before they realize the truth"

He doesn't even do that. He tries to make it so "both sides are equally bad", but fails spectacularly because the Marleyans are basically just Nazis. They're not sympathetic at all. They don't care if their government is literally having thousands of people being eaten alive, starved, tortured, etc. They're all for it. Hell, they wish it was worse for them.

He then has the audacity to try, and make it seem like any of their sufferings are nearly as bad as the Eldians. Yeah, Eren Dresden'd them (which I still don't agree with mostly because it was a stupid plan that fucked over absolutely everything), but that doesn't compare to how utterly horrifically the Eldians have been treated.

You know, part of me wonders if Isayama is truly this obliviously to how utterly sociopathic this kind of morality scaling is, or if this is like when Stephen King wrote that underage sewer orgy in IT when he was high off his ass on cocaine, and he just doesn't remember writing it.

Yeah, the whole 'They're both bad!' is another fucking idiotic thing.

Isayama is just autistic and he doesn't honestly know how real people work.

 

[verissimus]

Honestly, its just there's this need to keep ahead of the audience too. So when you find out a way to solve it, someone else has already probably solved it too. So you go "FUCK" and just make up some random bullshit that makes no sense. See the game of thrones creators for putting Bran up there because pretty much every good combination was written by someone else.

But why should they care though honestly? I get douchebags like Rian Johnson quote-and-quote "care" (I felt the emphasis was needed), but why would any of the rest of the smucks care that the audience was able to guess what they're doing? They're mediocre Hollywood directors making mediocre Hollywood style films. Why should they care if the audience has a good idea which way the story is going to go?

 

[Secret Asshole]

But why should they care though honestly? I get douchebags like Rian Johnson quote-and-quote "care" (I felt the emphasis was needed), but why would any of the rest of the smucks care that the audience was able to guess what they're doing? They're mediocre Hollywood directors making mediocre Hollywood style films. Why should they care if the audience has a good idea which way the story is going to go?

Its all about ego. There's this desire to be 'smarter' than the audience and there's this really weird trend I don't understand in entertainment that pleasing your audience is too plebeian. Because to them, 'Hollywood Elite' isn't just a meme, its a reality.

The point being, unless you're making a singular work like a novel or a single movie that's isolated and not a series, somebody somewhere is going to guess your work and where you're going to go. Its kind of tradition that there's only like 5 stories and they've all already been told, but they haven't been told in your unique way.

I told this to a friend of mine who got really depressed because she found all her ideas were 'taken' and I had to explain to her that you're never going to get something wholly original and that's fine, because everything HAS been done before. It just hasn't been done by YOU. And that's where your own individual style and creative markers comes in.

Some people can't accept this so they constantly 'subvert' expectations. The problem with that is that storytelling conventions are conventions for a really good reason: they work, they build your narrative, your characters, you emotional crescendo. Its never going to be 100% original, but who gives a shit?

If you grow a story well and organically, people are going to see where you're going to go. And that's ok. There is nothing wrong with this. But there's this egotistical insecurity that authors need to dominate their audience and be ahead of them, so they begin to stop doing organic storytelling and just write utter trash.

I think about stories and story ideas all the time. How they would go, emotional motivations, revealing mysteries. Audiences would probably be able to guess, but that doesn't enter into my thinking. When you're writing a narrative, your first and only care should be organic growth and evoking emotion and the power of the story.

If where you are going is obvious, unless it is a complete cliche, let it go there. Because you'll never 100% conform to what your audience thinks, because your unique style will surprise them. And I think that's why I get pissy with AoT. There's this great, emotional narrative there, its just ruined by this subverting expectations garbage.

 

[Draza]

I had to look up the resources claim but I only found Zeke talking to the Cart Titan about that being necessary to do. He’s the only one wanting resources from Paradis when I skimmed a couple chapters.

When Zeke told the military leaders for reasons to invade Paradis again, they were only swayed from the idea of invading and gaining all titans. Zeke never swayed them with the idea of obtaining resources. In fact, the main mission for the original invasion on Paradis never mentioned a need for resources either. So really the only person that I’ve seen talk about resources is Zeke who has no authority on any matters in the military or government.

And if Marley had the advantage of military for centuries, wouldn’t it have been easier to take over other countries ahead of time for their resources? And not strictly for oil. A country like Marley would have had incentive to take over other nations for gold, silver, coal, etc.

And I was talking about the 845 invasion from the titans

Edit: well I just double checked and The Owl did mention the government wanted to go to Paradis for resources in two panels. I still don’t like that it’s essentially Eren giving all this information to others (he pretty much controls every Attack Titan’s words and actions). Especially since it’s almost like justifying his own actions by having someone say something is going on meanwhile every other person in the military never shows the slightest interest in resources nor that they want resources more than the titan’s power. It’s kind of funny how I’m pretty much saying I can’t take an Eldian’s words for why Marleyeans are acting the way they are.

The invasion of Titans in 845 wasn't really a "invasion" as it was more of a infiltration as Marley sent four young warriors (Reiner,Bertholdt,Annie, and Marcel) to breach and infiltrate within the walls to gather intelligence and take back the Coordinate.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Its all about ego. There's this desire to be 'smarter' than the audience and there's this really weird trend I don't understand in entertainment that pleasing your audience is too plebeian. Because to them, 'Hollywood Elite' isn't just a meme, its a reality.

The point being, unless you're making a singular work like a novel or a single movie that's isolated and not a series, somebody somewhere is going to guess your work and where you're going to go. Its kind of tradition that there's only like 5 stories and they've all already been told, but they haven't been told in your unique way.

I told this to a friend of mine who got really depressed because she found all her ideas were 'taken' and I had to explain to her that you're never going to get something wholly original and that's fine, because everything HAS been done before. It just hasn't been done by YOU. And that's where your own individual style and creative markers comes in.

Some people can't accept this so they constantly 'subvert' expectations. The problem with that is that storytelling conventions are conventions for a really good reason: they work, they build your narrative, your characters, you emotional crescendo. Its never going to be 100% original, but who gives a shit?

If you grow a story well and organically, people are going to see where you're going to go. And that's ok. There is nothing wrong with this. But there's this egotistical insecurity that authors need to dominate their audience and be ahead of them, so they begin to stop doing organic storytelling and just write utter trash.

I think about stories and story ideas all the time. How they would go, emotional motivations, revealing mysteries. Audiences would probably be able to guess, but that doesn't enter into my thinking. When you're writing a narrative, your first and only care should be organic growth and evoking emotion and the power of the story.

If where you are going is obvious, unless it is a complete cliche, let it go there. Because you'll never 100% conform to what your audience thinks, because your unique style will surprise them. And I think that's why I get pissy with AoT. There's this great, emotional narrative there, its just ruined by this subverting expectations garbage.

The Amazing part is, one of the biggest Mystery Boxes in Anime is "Raftel/One Piece" to which the Writer has known what it was from the start..and the best guesses are just throwing something against the wall and hoping and I have never seen anything about Oda gloating nobody has figured it out.

The Double Amazing part is, for all the mystery matters to the fandom and One Piece fans are frothing at the mouth to know..Only one of the characters even remotely gives a shit about what is there, the main character even told someone who had been to Raftel to Stuff it because "knowing would be boring."

 

[Bunny Tracks]

See, my issue with Isayama subverting expectations is that he somehow finds a way to do it in the worst way possible. There's people outside the Walls? Let's make 'em Nazis. How does Eren defeat them? Let's make him God, and give him time-traveling powers. And make him end racism by killing every other race. Where did the titans come from? Well, two thousand years ago, a little girl let out some pigs...

Do you see the problem here?

Fucking hell, while I was writing this I thought of a way to make the Marleyans be the bad guys, and still be sympathetic. What if the titans came from a virus that was accidentally released, and Paradis is just a settlement, or portion of the country that has to function as a containment zone since it was eventually abandoned by the rest of the kingdom? Just make it kind of like The Walking Dead, or Resident Evil. The Marleyans didn't mean to do it, and for a while they were working on a cure, but eventually they just gave up, and tried to pretend that the even never happened, nor that Paradis was ever a place to begin with for fear of the virus infecting the entire kingdom. Hell, if you wanna make them even worse why not just have the KoM be like Ba Sing Sei, and anyone who tries to mention Paradis, the Titans, the incident, or the disease gets killed, or re-educated, or some shit like that?

Keep in mind, this solution still isn't very good, and would drastically change the level of technology the KoM/outside world has (or would it? I don't fucking know since they can apparently tell what race a person is via a blood test, so anything is possible). The point that I'm trying to make is that there was a million different, saner, and smarter ways to do this, and Isayama somehow chose the one that included Nazis, time-travel, and all of this being started over pigs.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

a little girl let out some pigs...

being started over pigs.

I apologize in advance

WHO LET THE PIGS OUT? Oink Oink Oink Oink!

 

[Shady Attorney]

WHO LET THE PIGS OUT?

Eren did. He went back in time and started this whole rodeo. Calling it

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Eren did. He went back in time and started this whole rodeo. Calling it

I mean, after everything we've seen so far it's not out of the realm of possibility. Even if that's not saying much, and such an event occurring would unleash an utter black hole of questions.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Eren did. He went back in time and started this whole rodeo. Calling it

Of course, Eren also caused me to trip and lose the lottery

Eren's time fuckery transcends beyond the manga

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Eren's time fuckery transcends beyond the manga

That's it. That's why the series has gone to shit.

Eren broke into our reality, and Isayama purposefully started making his story terrible in a vain attempt at stopping Eren, but his God powers were too strong, and Isayama has now completely lost control. The one writing the series now is a nigh-immortal psychopathic, genocidal edgelord that can bend time, space, and dimensions to his will.

It all makes sense now.

 

[Gar For Archer]

The Amazing part is, one of the biggest Mystery Boxes in Anime is "Raftel/One Piece" to which the Writer has known what it was from the start..and the best guesses are just throwing something against the wall and hoping and I have never seen anything about Oda gloating nobody has figured it out.

The Double Amazing part is, for all the mystery matters to the fandom and One Piece fans are frothing at the mouth to know..Only one of the characters even remotely gives a shit about what is there, the main character even told someone who had been to Raftel to Stuff it because "knowing would be boring."

The thing with One Piece is, if you think about it it’s not really THAT big of a mystery. The undercurrent plot of the whole series that’s been in literally since at LEAST Alabasta is the discovery of the history of the world, the World Government and what really happened during the Void Century. I’d be very surprised if the most important part of the One Piece isn’t a written history of the world, likely with some standard pirate treasure and legendary weapons thrown into the mix as well.

Oda also mentioned at some point that the One Piece’s discovery isn’t the conclusion of the story but rather the inciting incident for the final battle, which fits with this as well - because knowledge of the world’s history presents a clear ideological threat to the WG, and can be easily used as a means to unite the races of the world to take down the WG for good.

 

[Sug Benis]

See, my issue with Isayama subverting expectations is that he somehow finds a way to do it in the worst way possible. There's people outside the Walls? Let's make 'em Nazis. How does Eren defeat them? Let's make him God, and give him time-traveling powers. And make him end racism by killing every other race. Where did the titans come from? Well, two thousand years ago, a little girl let out some pigs...

Do you see the problem here?

Fucking hell, while I was writing this I thought of a way to make the Marleyans be the bad guys, and still be sympathetic. What if the titans came from a virus that was accidentally released, and Paradis is just a settlement, or portion of the country that has to function as a containment zone since it was eventually abandoned by the rest of the kingdom? Just make it kind of like The Walking Dead, or Resident Evil. The Marleyans didn't mean to do it, and for a while they were working on a cure, but eventually they just gave up, and tried to pretend that the even never happened, nor that Paradis was ever a place to begin with for fear of the virus infecting the entire kingdom. Hell, if you wanna make them even worse why not just have the KoM be like Ba Sing Sei, and anyone who tries to mention Paradis, the Titans, the incident, or the disease gets killed, or re-educated, or some shit like that?

Keep in mind, this solution still isn't very good, and would drastically change the level of technology the KoM/outside world has (or would it? I don't fucking know since they can apparently tell what race a person is via a blood test, so anything is possible). The point that I'm trying to make is that there was a million different, saner, and smarter ways to do this, and Isayama somehow chose the one that included Nazis, time-travel, and all of this being started over pigs.

The funny thing is, your suggestion is actually a lot closer to the prototype for AoT than the final version of the story in a couple ways. It originally featured titans as the result of bioengineering, and cities popped up around places that (iirc for some typically isayama level poorly explained reason) were difficult for the titans to get into. The prototype had a couple early warning signs to how much of a shitter at writing Isayama is, but I think everyone wrote it off for being a rough draft.

It's interesting because it works better for being a one shot, and worse because... Well, it's a prototype for an Isayama story. Half his flaws are magnified by the contained nature of the story, half of them are exacerbated. A quarter of it is poorly concealed infodumps, and it still leaves a mix of unanswered questions and ones with absolutely retarded answers, like proto-Eren is a Titan that holds onto his humanity because apparently no other person who became a titan was so empathetic as he or some bullshit like that.

 

[Aria]

I wonder how will the aot fandom react to the plot change.the story has changed from killing all the titans to going to war with another country.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

That's it. That's why the series has gone to shit.

Eren broke into our reality, and Isayama purposefully started making his story terrible in a vain attempt at stopping Eren, but his God powers were too strong, and Isayama has now completely lost control. The one writing the series now is a nigh-immortal psychopathic, genocidal edgelord that can bend time, space, and dimensions to his will.

It all makes sense now.

Thanks, Erbama.

I'll just see myself out now...

 

[Secret Asshole]

I mean, I think we've done tons of treatments through the thread, may as well do mine now. I'll do a challenge and keep as close as possible to what Isayama wrote....for a little bit.

So you keep most of the stuff from the first third, including the mysterious warrior bit. Things are basically the same up until Annie, until you have some mysterious figures pressuring the government to stop the Scouts. I'd have more characters, but basically the military police start executing members of the scouts. This leads to the Overthrow arc with the royal family. Kenny's an assassin who has met with these mysterious figures, but instead of being brainwashed, he only desires their power. It'd be at this point, I'd slowly reveal that these 'figures' can create and control Titans. We already know Titans can transform at this point, but now we learn Titans are humans.

I'd skip the titan formula, we're not going through the dilemma. So, shit gets overthrown, Reiss goes nuts, Historia crowned. Now they go to take back Shigishina. Colossal Titan gets wrecked by Armin, Armin lives. Levi gets rock smashed instead of Erwin, because fuck Levi's perfection. So either dead or out of the scouts. He needs to be nerfed. Erwin lives. They go to the basement. Turns out its cyberpunk apocalypse.

The Titans are humans, and the age of technology came about during a self-inflicted cataclysm. Titans are bio weapons, created by former humans known as 'the Pure'. The warrior titans and their society outside the walls are enslaved by the technologically advanced 'Pure'. Eventually its revealed that the 'Pure' adopted eugenics wholesale, the problem is that because of eugenics and their 'perfect' immune systems, there was no randomness, which is necessary for an adaptive immune system and most of them are wracked by innumerable diseases which evolved against the Pure who are only alive due to their technology. Due to their arrogance and need for perfection, they have long since destroyed 'imperfect' stocks and need fresh genetics. The Eldians and the Warrior society are the last real humans as the 'pure' can no longer interbreed with them and look like lepers. The Titans 'eat' humans because they're brought back to the Pure for experimentation and not all of them are killed when devoured (double dose of horror). Levi and Mikasa are so good because some of the Pure defected to Eldia when they could still breed with humans. So there are random super-soldiers scattered about Eldia, which pisses the Pure off more since they're basically the ultimate in humanity.

So its on the scouts to convince the warrior caste to join them, and fight against an army of Titans and eradicate the 'Pure' so they could be free of Titans and these monsters. You could introduce body horror elements, ruins of ancient civilizations, keep the titans, and all that shit.

As to who Grisha is, he's from the same bloodline that defected from the Pure centuries ago and the knowledge was passed down from generation to generation. But there's two sides: defectors from the Pure who hate them and defectors from the Pure who idolize them. Those who idolize them are in the government, along with King Cuck, who passes down the power of the Attack Titan, the most powerful bioweapon, to his bloodline. Grisha does the shit he does in the manga, but is mortally wounded and forced to pass down the Titan to Eren. We'll skip Zeke as being Eren's brother and that whole story, he's a member of the warrior caste who is a loyalist and believes the Eldians should be peacefully sterilized into oblivion. So the conflict between the descendants of the Pure would be the royal overthrow arc, which you'd learn about later. No time travel, no fucking Gods, none of that shit. Man vs. Man, Man vs. Nature.

But this is one way off the top of my head and probably terrible. Its just such a waste of potential.

I wonder how will the aot fandom react to the plot change.the story has changed from killing all the titans to going to war with another country.

We'll be able to tell once Gabi murks Sasha, but I think they'll just be like the manga community, bury their head in the sand and keep shipping characters.