Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

How will Eren be stopped?

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I thought you guys were exaggerating. I really did! That was the worst anime opening song I've ever heard holy shit. I physically cringed as I read the lyrics. And the seagull thing! They actually did it. There are no words.

The rest of the episode was pretty decent though. This was the last action arc I liked and while I'm still unimpressed by their CGI I think they handled it well. The fights had some weight to the attacks, I really liked the sequence where they outfitted the cart titan, and Eren's eva roar at the end was good. Little moments like the latter two are something I like about this studio's adaption. I'm looking forward to them sprucing up the fight over the seaplane too, it needed a little more. The rumbling though... eh. That brief shot we got in the intro looked as action figurey as I expected. Good direction can draw attention away from it being floaty cgi, and they have that, but there's just no tension in the source material once they're actually fighting Eren. Maybe the part with the worm gassing everyone, I liked that part, but that problem got Naruto'd away. Not much they can do about the ending or the more ridiculous plot points either, they'll polish it for sure but that's all they can do.
 
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Bunny Tracks said:
Basically, yes. What happed with TWD is that they kept on relying on the same stupid "teh humanz r teh real monsterz" shit, and it got really old really fast. It was no longer a zombie show, but rather about Rick's boring, braindead, edgy group vs the most stupidly over-the-top evil, edgy people imaginable. The zombies took a backseat when they weren't being used a convenient way to kill people.

Couple that with them just killing off characters for the sake of shock value, characters just being mind-blowingly retarded (million walker march anyone?), the world-building just starting to completely fall apart, and the nonstop constant screen-hogging of Negan, and the show's absolute refusal to get rid of him despite the fact views were tanking because of him, and it's easy to see why no one watches this shit anymore.

And yet, it's still somehow going.
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Negan didn't tank the ratings, it was the one-two punch of losing Carl and Rick. But especially Carl since the last fourth of the series hinges on Carl and his growth into adulthood.

Also, Negan only hangs around for about 60-70 issues give or take in the comic. He gets written out after the Whisper Wars, basically going into the wilderness after Maggie refuses to kill him over Glenn's death after she realizes that his time in prison, relationship with Carl, plus experiencing the Whisperers level of depravity finally broke him down and made him realize how badly he fucked up his life and basically asking Maggie to put him out of his misery. He doesn't appear for the final batch of issues and only gets a one-word mention in the final issue letter page basically stating that he's still alive (but location unknown) after the final issue time skip.

Bunny Tracks said:
Slightly late, but he was super popular in the comics, but the TWD tv series has a much different story and a much different fanbase. The most character in the tv show is Daryl, and he doesn't exist in the comics. If it helps, think of Daryl as the Levi of TWD only he's not nearly as dickish, is actually a really nice guy, and the franchise won't (or previously wouldn't. I dunno about now) instantly collapse if he dies.

I can't quite remember who said it, and I'm paraphrasing here but someone in the production team basically said that fans would hate Negan but wouldn't want him to die because he's that good of a character/that entertaining.

They were wrong.

Negan really fucks up Daryl. He tortures him, makes him eat canned dog food sandwiches, and sleep deprives him by blasting the same song over, and over again all while he's been shot, and lying a fucking disgusting, tiny-ass cell. This goes on for a while, and it really pissed off the tv show fanbase.

This along with all the other shit he's done is only made worse by the fact that tv!Negan is not funny. He's just not. At best he's annoying, and at worst, he's downright insufferable. It's not his actor's fault. He's obviously doing the best he can. It's just material he has to work with and all the atrocious shit his character has to do just makes it extremely hard for the average viewer to like him.

This isn't even to mention he's really overstayed his welcome. Most TWD villains usually go after a season or two. Negan's been around for five.

Tl;dr: Unfunny murderous lunatic kills off a bunch of fan favorites, brutally tortures the Levi of the show, does a fuckton of other heinous shit, and just fucking refuses to go away.
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The Negan/Daryl stuff wasn't that bad but a plot necessity required because Daryl doesn't exist in the comics and is so overpowered that he could have ended the Savior War overnight if the character had not been neutralized.

Same with why Carol, suddenly morphed into a moral fag out of the blue like she did and why they spent the entire Savior War having her and Negan kept apart so they never interacted.

As for them pushing Negan now; it's because they fucked up the casting and have no one there fans actually care about so they have to push him front and center due to them being down to only a bunch of OCs, two character who's long dead in the comic, and background characters left.

Übertroon said:
I could see discussion about the franchise continuing if it didn't go so black vs white near the end, or if it ended in such a way that the fate of the world was left vague, but you got the Avengers storyline at the end where all the heroes team up to defeat Eren/Thanos/Hitler, Eren is just portrayed to a tilted teen angry he couldn't get some asian pussy, and with the additional pages Isayama tacked unto the end its clear that he wants the whole thing buried and gone, bombs fall everyone dies

He torched the entire thing and left
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On a side note; are those extra pages where the island gets bombed Japan exclusive? The final physical volume I have does not have those pages
 
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Done said:
I think the shift to humans as villains wasn't bad in itself, there's a lot of good post-apocalyptic stuff where humans make for great enemies (you can do a lot more with them than with faceless monsters), Jericho was an example of this imo. But I think my main problem is that I don't have a lot of confidence in Isayama's ability to wrap it up properly, which is partially why I don't feel very compelled to keep going until it all ends.
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I agree that humans can make for great enemies, but I just don't think it was necessary to shift sway from Titans as primary threats. For zombies or other well-worn ideas, sure, but this was a unique enough concept to stand on its own. It obviously blended giants, zombies, and Gundam so it's not wholly unique, but nothing is.

Human enemies are always the same, but with a different spin on why exactly they're the enemy. That can be fun, but the Titans had a lot more mystery to them than regular zombies or human enemies ever could, with their strange anatomy, expressions, and behaviors. I just think the ball was dropped a bit with that.

Edit: I just realized how old that comment is lmao
 
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SSj_Ness said:
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I agree that humans can make for great enemies, but I just don't think it was necessary to shift sway from Titans as primary threats. For zombies or other well-worn ideas, sure, but this was a unique enough concept to stand on its own. It obviously blended giants, zombies, and Gundam so it's not wholly unique, but nothing is.

Human enemies are always the same, but with a different spin on why exactly they're the enemy. That can be fun, but the Titans had a lot more mystery to them than regular zombies or human enemies ever could, with their strange anatomy, expressions, and behaviors. I just think the ball was dropped a bit with that.

Edit: I just realized how old that comment is lmao
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I’d say the issue was because it tried to be more than “these people are behind the Titans”.
 
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Random Internet Person said:
I’d say the issue was because it tried to be more than “these people are behind the Titans”.
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I think people being behind them is bad enough. I'd prefer almost anything else to that because it inevitably shifts to human enemies. Being an aberration of nature, or some kind of divine punishment, even alien shit, basically anything else would lead to more interesting outcomes imo.

There's also always the option of never fully explaining their origin, like
The Walking Dead.
 
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Random Internet Person said:
I’d say the issue was because it tried to be more than “these people are behind the Titans”.
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Like the issue of titans being explained is bad but it can work since even the worst twists out there can be executed well. Attack on Titan's issue is that it shifted the story to be about one of the most retarded geopolitical systems in fiction and made everyone retarded just so the plot can function (i.e. Every country buying propaganda from a very hated empire, no one ever looking into what the fuck Eren was doing despite him being their trump card, and the entire world being run by cartoonishly racist brain parasites)
 
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Basically what ruined the series was Isayama chewed more than he can handle. You can't deny from the writing that he only have surface knowledge and expertise on the topic subject of politics and such, and yet he kept on insisting doing it until he finally realized his mistake too late as the series passed the point of no return. And that point of no return was when Eren was made by some readers as this "gigachad" of a war criminal that they worship. That's why he have to "kill" Eren in the most outlandish way possible
 
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Sorry I'm a few days late on discussing the opening but holy shit it is Not Good. I thought they'd hit it out of the park for the last season, but I was wrong. Oh well, I'll just continue to listen to Boku no Sensou and all the other openings.
 
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Doctor of Autism said:
Though with one episode, already people are triggered by the mere existence of Mikasa

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The sheer hatred they have for Mikasa is both hilarious and pathetic, especially considering all their complaints towards her also apply to Historia in a way, and for the fact that you just know these people wouldn't be nearly so triggered by her if she was actually for Eren's plan and wasn't seen as a threat to Erehisu shippers.

I'm not even trying to whiteknight for Mikasa here. I think she's a character who started out really promising, but then just turned into a complete joke by the end. I'm just saying the sheer amount hate she gets, why she gets it, and just from who she exactly gets it from really makes ya think.
 
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Bunny Tracks said:
The sheer hatred they have for Mikasa is both hilarious and pathetic, especially considering all their complaints towards her also apply to Historia in a way, and for the fact that you just know these people wouldn't be nearly so triggered by her if she was actually for Eren's plan and wasn't seen as a threat to Erehisu shippers.

I'm not even trying to whiteknight for Mikasa here. I think she's a character who started out really promising, but then just turned into a complete joke by the end. I'm just saying the sheer amount hate she gets, why she gets it, and just from who she exactly gets it from really makes ya think.
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Honestly Mikasa is a meh character and she is sorta fine, honestly the hate from her from Erenfags and how she is the least sufferable of the main trio makes me like her more.

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Why do they hate Mikasa so damn much?
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Because she's not an aryan waifu and Eren called her a slave once.
 
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The Fair Lady said:
To play devil's advocate for a moment, Mikasa is absolutely a one-note character who was obsessed with Eren from start to finish, but the butthurt is pretty lulzy. A bunch of them are probably Erenfags seething over the fact that she both opposed his plan and ended up killing him.
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Probably. Hell, those guys completely neglected to see her character development.
 
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Trashfire Garbagefuck said:
I think this all stems from shipper rage. These Erenfags need to accept that he he didn't get with either girl, get over it, and get on with their lives. Mikasa Kirschtein and Historia Sneed-Reiss sure did.
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Eren died as he lived: stuck as a virgin with rage wanting a cute girl his age.
 
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