Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Bunny Tracks]

You know, there's somethings I actually really like about this chapter, and things I would've really liked if they had been properly implemented.

First of all, this page.

It is disgusting, and grotesque, and goddamn it if I don't fucking love it. This is Isayama's art at its best. Here his rough, dirty style works beautifully. It shows enough detail to get the absolute horror across, but is also subtle, and minimalistic enough to not make it over the top. The linework is clean. The inking is spot on. It doesn't look rushed, and sloppy. It looks fucking nice. Most importantly, I can actually tell what's going on. It's a fantastic page, and I'm not gonna lie, for a few brief moments I felt like this story was actually going to make a come back, and that Isayama might've finally returned to his senses.

...Admittedly, a drawing of three small children being forced to cannibalize a woman by their evil father is a strange and utterly nightmarish way of making me think that, but this is the series now, so...

Anyways, I thought that things were gonna get better, and they did not. They tried to. I feel like this chapter was definitely more coherent, and had a better attempt at genuine human emotion more than the last few ones, but that's really not saying much.

But there is one thing I really like about this chapter, and that's Eren managing to free Ymir from being a slave by simply treating her with compassion, hugging her and telling her that's she's better then she thinks she is. Not only is it brilliant that the way to free her was to simply tell her that she deserves to be free, but it's finally the old Eren returning. Until he returned to Paradis, Eren has always been telling people to believe in themselves, and that they don't have to just accept the status quo and remains slaves.

Unfortunately, I have to strongly disagree, but not for the reasons you'd think.

My biggest problem with it is this: when has compassion ever talked someone down in this series?

The only example I can think of, and please tell me if I am wrong here, is when Hanji hugged Mikasa, and expressed compassion and empathy to both her, and Eren. That got them, and everyone in general, to calm down, and for things to be settled civilly.

My next question is when did Eren ever do something like this? Answer: he hasn't. At least not current Eren. What bothers me the most about this entire resolution is that it goes completely against Eren's current character. Current Eren has been portrayed as a selfish, edgy, needlessly secretive asshole, and having him suddenly do all this just seems blatantly out of character. I can believe younger Eren doing this, but not current edgelord Eren. It just seems out of nowhere to me.

Now, if Eren had an epiphany, or maybe remembered what Hanji had done, or the idea of using compassion and empathy as a way to deal with your problems had foreshadowed prior to this, I would've been all for it. It would've still been kind of a cop-out, and a bit forced, but I honestly would've been okay with it. It would've been really refreshing to see, and have felt like actual character, and theme development happened.

Sadly as it stands though, it just seems tacked on, and a vain attempt at having actual emotion in this series. I just don't buy it, and I'm sad, and disappointed that I don't. This could've really worked, but it just doesn't for me. I would've loved this so much if it had been properly set-up, but it wasn't, and therefore I just don't.

And that's really all I can say about this series for now. I loved it back when everything about it seemed planned out, well-written, and made actual sense. Now it just makes me sad, and tired, and disappointed because the more I read, and the more I learn about it, the more it appears that it was never like that to begin with.

 

[madethistocomment]

You know, there's somethings I actually really like about this chapter, and things I would've really liked if they had been properly implemented.

First of all, this page.
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It is disgusting, and grotesque, and goddamn it if I don't fucking love it. This is Isayama's art at its best. Here his rough, dirty style works beautifully. It shows enough detail to get the absolute horror across, but is also subtle, and minimalistic enough to not make it over the top. The linework is clean. The inking is spot on. It doesn't look rushed, and sloppy. It looks fucking nice. Most importantly, I can actually tell what's going on. It's a fantastic page, and I'm not gonna lie, for a few brief moments I felt like this story was actually going to make a come back, and that Isayama might've finally returned to his senses.

...Admittedly, a drawing of three small children being forced to cannibalize a woman by their evil father is a strange and utterly nightmarish way of making me think that, but this is the series now, so...

I loved that page, too. It manages to inspire a sense of disgust in the reader as well as pity for the poor girls, and it looks so grungy, which fits the tone perfectly.

Also, aren't Maria, Rose, and Sina Ymir's daughters? That makes their forced canibalization of her even more fucked up.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I loved that page, too. It manages to inspire a sense of disgust in the reader as well as pity for the poor girls, and it looks so grungy, which fits the tone perfectly.

It looks like an album cover, and I just love it.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Annie got sealed in the crystal because if she hadn’t, a lot of these plot twist and reveals would have come our way earlier. Simple as that.

 

[La Luz Extinguido]

You know, there's somethings I actually really like about this chapter, and things I would've really liked if they had been properly implemented.

First of all, this page.
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Is this a Darkest Dungeon comic?

 

[DrRockzosNose]

Annie got sealed in the crystal because if she hadn’t, a lot of these plot twist and reveals would have come our way earlier. Simple as that.

I seriously have always wondered what the end game plan for her was or if he just totally forgot about her except for that 1 post TS chapter like "oh shit, gotta do SOMETHING for Annie's 1 appearance until the epilogue!"

 

[The Sauce Boss]

You know, there's somethings I actually really like about this chapter, and things I would've really liked if they had been properly implemented.

First of all, this page.
View attachment 962409
It is disgusting, and grotesque, and goddamn it if I don't fucking love it. This is Isayama's art at its best. Here his rough, dirty style works beautifully. It shows enough detail to get the absolute horror across, but is also subtle, and minimalistic enough to not make it over the top. The linework is clean. The inking is spot on. It doesn't look rushed, and sloppy. It looks fucking nice. Most importantly, I can actually tell what's going on. It's a fantastic page, and I'm not gonna lie, for a few brief moments I felt like this story was actually going to make a come back, and that Isayama might've finally returned to his senses.

...Admittedly, a drawing of three small children being forced to cannibalize a woman by their evil father is a strange and utterly nightmarish way of making me think that, but this is the series now, so...

Anyways, I thought that things were gonna get better, and they did not. They tried to. I feel like this chapter was definitely more coherent, and had a better attempt at genuine human emotion more than the last few ones, but that's really not saying much.



Unfortunately, I have to strongly disagree, but not for the reasons you'd think.

My biggest problem with it is this: When has compassion ever talked someone down in this series?

The only example I can think of, and please tell me if I am wrong here, is when Hanji hugged Mikasa, and expressed compassion and empathy to both her, and Eren. That got them, and everyone in general, to calm down, and for things to be settled civilly.

My next question is when did Eren ever do something like this? Answer: he hasn't. At least not current Eren. What bothers me the most about this entire resolution is that it goes completely against Eren's current character. Current Eren has been portrayed as a selfish, edgy, secretive asshole, and having him suddenly do all this just seems blatantly out of character. I can believe younger Eren doing this, but not current edgelord Eren. It just seems out of nowhere to me.

Now, if Eren had an epiphany, or maybe remembered what Hanji had done, or the idea of using compassion and empathy as a way to deal with your problems had foreshadowed prior to this, I would've been all for it. It would've still been kind of a cop-out, and a bit forced, but I honestly would've been okay with it. It would've been really refreshing to see, and have felt like actual character, and theme development happened.

Sadly as it stands though, it just seems tacked on, and a vain attempt at having actual emotion in this series. I just don't buy it, and I'm sad, and disappointed that I don't. This could've really worked, but it just doesn't for me. I would've loved this so much if it had been properly set-up, but it wasn't, and therefore I just don't.

And that's really all I can say about this series for now. I loved it back when everything about it seemed planned out, well-written, and made actual sense. Now it just makes me sad, and tired, and disappointed because the more I read, and the more I learn about it, the more it appears that it was never like that to begin with.

Jesus christ.

I'm just glad this series is almost over. The shit it's pulling out of its ass lately is getting exhausting.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Jesus christ.

I'm just glad this series is almost over. The shit it's pulling out of its ass lately is getting exhausting.

It's been exhausting since the ending of the Uprising Arc, tbh. It was bearable at first, and then the number plotholes, asspulls, cop-outs, and inconsistencies just spun out of control, and with them, the plot.

What makes it even worse is that this batshittery could at least be tolerable if the characters hadn't just devolved into the same dark, broody, depressing cardboard cut-out, or hadn't just faded into the background. It still wouldn't be good, but at least it wouldn't be so much of a struggle to get through.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Its just boring at this point. He's just blatantly breaking his own rules, forcing in shit that looks like 'foreshadowing' and trying to compensate for months and months and months of absolutely nothing of note happening by cramming it all in at once.

I seriously have always wondered what the end game plan for her was or if he just totally forgot about her except for that 1 post TS chapter like "oh shit, gotta do SOMETHING for Annie's 1 appearance until the epilogue!"

Annie got sealed in the crystal because if she hadn’t, a lot of these plot twist and reveals would have come our way earlier. Simple as that.

Annie got sealed in a crystal because he didn't know what to do with her. Its not as simple as that, because she's been a hanging thread for years. If he truly wanted to hide the plot twists, Annie would be dead. Period. He put her in a crystal because he didn't know how to handle her and have a 'just in case to be used maybe'. Its sloppy. Either shit or get off the pot. He pulled a half-measure and now she's been a glaring plot thread and a hilarious joke.

I'll explain in a literary manner. Annie's story is effectively over at the end of AoT season 1. She has failed in her mission, she can't escape, and she is cornered. The logical resolution would be for her to die in some manner, because again, once a character's story is done, you really don't really need them hang around all that much unless they serve another function. Or she escapes, which would be unsatisfying. But still.

Putting her in crystal means that she has more to do and her story isn't done. Except effectively as of now, it is. Walls are crumbling down, Eren is massively powerful, Marely is destroyed. Her effect on the plot, barring again, a magical nonsensical ass pull, is effectively nil. She cannot influence the plot in any way, shape or form anymore. Because compared to her, the events in the story have become so massive, her fate no longer matters.

Isayama literally put her 'in case of emergency, break glass'. He never needed to, which is why she is still crystal. Its more incompetence, plain and simple.

You know, there's somethings I actually really like about this chapter, and things I would've really liked if they had been properly implemented.

First of all, this page.
View attachment 962409
It is disgusting, and grotesque, and goddamn it if I don't fucking love it. This is Isayama's art at its best. Here his rough, dirty style works beautifully. It shows enough detail to get the absolute horror across, but is also subtle, and minimalistic enough to not make it over the top. The linework is clean. The inking is spot on. It doesn't look rushed, and sloppy. It looks fucking nice. Most importantly, I can actually tell what's going on. It's a fantastic page, and I'm not gonna lie, for a few brief moments I felt like this story was actually going to make a come back, and that Isayama might've finally returned to his senses.

...Admittedly, a drawing of three small children being forced to cannibalize a woman by their evil father is a strange and utterly nightmarish way of making me think that, but this is the series now, so...

Anyways, I thought that things were gonna get better, and they did not. They tried to. I feel like this chapter was definitely more coherent, and had a better attempt at genuine human emotion more than the last few ones, but that's really not saying much.



Unfortunately, I have to strongly disagree, but not for the reasons you'd think.

My biggest problem with it is this: when has compassion ever talked someone down in this series?

The only example I can think of, and please tell me if I am wrong here, is when Hanji hugged Mikasa, and expressed compassion and empathy to both her, and Eren. That got them, and everyone in general, to calm down, and for things to be settled civilly.

My next question is when did Eren ever do something like this? Answer: he hasn't. At least not current Eren. What bothers me the most about this entire resolution is that it goes completely against Eren's current character. Current Eren has been portrayed as a selfish, edgy, needlessly secretive asshole, and having him suddenly do all this just seems blatantly out of character. I can believe younger Eren doing this, but not current edgelord Eren. It just seems out of nowhere to me.

Now, if Eren had an epiphany, or maybe remembered what Hanji had done, or the idea of using compassion and empathy as a way to deal with your problems had foreshadowed prior to this, I would've been all for it. It would've still been kind of a cop-out, and a bit forced, but I honestly would've been okay with it. It would've been really refreshing to see, and have felt like actual character, and theme development happened.

Sadly as it stands though, it just seems tacked on, and a vain attempt at having actual emotion in this series. I just don't buy it, and I'm sad, and disappointed that I don't. This could've really worked, but it just doesn't for me. I would've loved this so much if it had been properly set-up, but it wasn't, and therefore I just don't.

And that's really all I can say about this series for now. I loved it back when everything about it seemed planned out, well-written, and made actual sense. Now it just makes me sad, and tired, and disappointed because the more I read, and the more I learn about it, the more it appears that it was never like that to begin with.

Eren's motives, true emotions and intentions were hidden for far too long for this to have any sort of emotional weight to it. He's been addicted to his bullshit cliffhangers and nonsensical time travel shit for too long for any actual development. Its why basically every character has had the life entirely sucked out of them and just has Gabi running around just to try and insert something. "Oh, people liked Eren when he was young. Lets do what if Eren was born in Marely. And Godlike at everything he did. And an arrogant piece of shit."

The laugh of it is he's not going to hurt his audience. Because what emotional attachments even are there any more? You have to care to hurt them. Most of his fans are shipping dead/living/characters out of sight for years than actually following his bullshit plot. This manga has been so cold and just devoid of any real stakes except 'Wait for Eren to do something' for such a long time. I mean, none of the characters really have a personality anymore. His friendship with Mikasa and Armin is long dead. Eren's been an emotionless emo cunt for too long. There's really just no attachments here.

Even fucking Historia has been just a an indefinite' Who's the Father!' Maury Povich episode. And then disappeared from the story.

As a side note, the Manga 'Before the Fall' is infinitely better than Attack on Titan and whoever wrote that should take over writing duties for the series.

EDIT:
Before the Fall is an AoT prequel. It has dudes fighting Titans on Horseback with swords, the development of 3D maneuver gear, a ton of stuff in the underground and no convoluted bullshit with emotional attachment to characters.

Its basically what AoT should have been.

 

[DrRockzosNose]

The ant images are out and so are some spoiler images on the Snk subreddit. Just gonna say......this is some bullshit

Edit: Mangadex version is out

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Well, if the translations are correct, Eren really is gonna kill everyone outside the Walls. I guess we really are going with the genocide answer.

 

[Stay safe]

At this point there's really only two routes the series can go from here, both of them are terrible.

Either Eren destroys everything but Paradis, an extremely boring that's basically "And then everyone who wasn't Jewish died, the end" and was figured out by most of the fandom for almost a year at this point.

Or Isayama decides to flat out plagiarize Code Geass' ending, one of the worst endings of all time and managed to instantly kill a very promising franchise. It's an ending on par with Mass Effect 3, and there's a chance Isayama somehow looked at that and thought it was literary genius.

Also, holy shit, this is the final ten chapters and Isayama still managed to make a fucking filler chapter. Most of it was just dicking around in Syria, and the only progress the story made was just Eren saying one fucking line.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I'd like to report that icecream now also exists in this world. It might've been shown before, but I honestly cannot remember.

Also, here's a shot of Sasha throwing up.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Hahahahahah

It also implies that Eren was in love with Mikasa as the narration was from her if she'd 'chosen a different path'. That he really didn't have anyone or anything and just fully lost his way. I mean, that would have been great development and all...if it wasn't like 3 panels and 20% of one chapter. Like what the fuck are you doing? You can't just magically drop shit like this at the end and pretend it was good development this entire time.

This is 100% to fuck over shippers and hurt them, since this was never even explored until this very second. But that's really Isayama's signature isn't it? Write up some bullshit and pretend it was there 'the whole time'. I swear to god he is such a trash writer it hurts.

At this point there's really only two routes the series can go from here, both of them are terrible.

Either Eren destroys everything but Paradis, an extremely boring that's basically "And then everyone who wasn't Jewish died, the end" and was figured out by most of the fandom for almost a year at this point.

Or Isayama decides to flat out plagiarize Code Geass' ending, one of the worst endings of all time and managed to instantly kill a very promising franchise. It's an ending on par with Mass Effect 3, and there's a chance Isayama somehow looked at that and thought it was literary genius.

Also, holy shit, this is the final ten chapters and Isayama still managed to make a fucking filler chapter. Most of it was just dicking around in Syria, and the only progress the story made was just Eren saying one fucking line.

I mean, people also predicted he'd go the Code Geass route as soon as Eren went evil badman.

You forgot option 3, magical time travel. Or eternal time loop for super duper sad end. No way he gives this a half-way decent ending. I'll be shocked if he does. Its like fucking Eren 'Just as Planned' for the past arc.

The hilarious thing is that the only thing this chapter's purpose was "Oh, Eren was in love with Mikasa but he was so obtuse about it she didn't admit her feelings and then he went apeshit". Bro, you need more than 10% of a chapter for that. Also, there was 0 new information in this. We knew Eren wanted to stomp out all life outside the walls. This isn't some shocker. I know there's going to be 100 vids on Anime YouTube on how this was shocking, but he's ALWAYS wanted to do this.

Your series is ending and you're wasting time with information we already know about, except the Mikasa shit which wasn't developed at all and just thrown in for...some reason, I guess? Eren didn't have anybody so he just decided 'fuck it, I'll just kill everyone'. That's really pathetic. That should have been developed long before now, but it wasn't made obvious in the least. I can't help but feel it was thrown in as a 'lol fuck you' to people who wanted them to be together. I mean, I don't give a shit, without development, things like that are meaningless. You've had them separated for so long and emotionless, that, there's nothing really holding it up. 'People wanted them to be together? I know, I'll tease that possibility in just this chapter alone and nowhere else, this will totally be emotional!'

Isayma's fucking autistic and doesn't understand people or how real relationships work. He really needed the man-eating titans to make things emotional because there's nothing more horrifying than getting devoured by a giant, mysterious monster who can't be reasoned with. That amplifies the fear and makes relationships much more solid without doing a lot of work because its horrifying to us. When you remove that threat and replace it with a human one, you have to make these relationships organic. Which he has been shown to be unable to do time and time again.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Isayma's fucking autistic and doesn't understand people or how real relationships work. He really needed the man-eating titans to make things emotional because there's nothing more horrifying than getting devoured by a giant, mysterious monster who can't be reasoned with. That amplifies the fear and makes relationships much more solid without doing a lot of work because its horrifying to us. When you remove that threat and replace it with a human one, you have to make these relationships organic. Which he has been shown to be unable to do time and time again.

I know I've said this exact same thing earlier, but I'm changing my answer.

Isayama can write relationships. The one between Levi and Kenny is proof of that. He does get parent-child relationships, at least when he wants to, and has been proven to understand friendship in the past. He just sucks at romance, which is honestly completely understandable because he's in all likelihood an autist, and as of late, has stopped putting any kind of actual effort into writing relationships as a whole now.

This chapter is extremely annoying to me, because not only does it really fuck up the world-building, (like holy shit, this is almost on par with the Time-Transcendence thing. Isayama has yet again completely destroyed the setting of his story, and unleashed a gigantic tidal wave of questions, plot holes, and inconsistencies) we should have seen all this flashback shit a long time ago, and having it now feels incredibly out-of-place, and tacked on. It makes all the scenes that are supposed to be heartwarming feel outright insulting. It's like what I said last time. Pulling shit like this like having characters express actual joy, kindness and empathy right now feels hollow, forced, and completely out of left field. There's no build-up towards, and that just kills it for me. It just doesn't work.

He's rushing through things, and I'm certain that's he's been making this shit up as he goes since the last part of the Uprising arc. This series has gotten so out of hand that at this point I'm more angry at the editor for not putting his foot down, and telling Isayama fucking no before slapping some sense into him.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I know I've said this exact same thing earlier, but I'm changing my answer.

Isayama can write relationships. The one between Levi and Kenny is proof of that. He does get parent-child relationships, at least when he wants to, and has been proven to understand friendship in the past. He just sucks at romance, which is honestly completely understandable because he's in all likelihood an autist, and as of late, has stopped putting any kind of actual effort into writing relationships as a whole now.

This chapter is extremely annoying to me, because not only does it really fuck up the world-building, (like holy shit, this is almost on par with the time-transcendence thing. Isayama has yet again completely destroyed the setting of his story, and unleashed a gigantic tidal wave of questions, plot holes, inconsistencies) we should have seen all this flashback shit a long time ago, and having it now feels incredibly out-of-place, and tacked on. It makes all the scenes that are supposed to be heartwarming feel outright insulting. It's like what I said last time. Pulling shit like this like having characters express actual joy, kindness and empathy right now feels hollow, forced, and completely out of left field. There's no build-up towards, and that just kills it for me. It just doesn't work.

He's rushing through things, and I'm certain that's he's been making this shit up as he goes since the last part of the Uprising arc. This series has gotten so out of hand that at this point I'm more angry at the editor for not putting his foot down, and telling him fucking no before slapping some sense into him.

True, it just seems like now he can't. I don't know what the fuck changed besides pressing fast forward. He's never really even attempted romance at all, which if he wanted to bring into the mix, he should have at least experimented with it. But now it just seems so terrible and forced. All this information we should have had a LONG time ago. We should have knew all of this. The problem is you can't build this up anymore.

I guess the problem is that SnK was making a FUCKTON of money and editors were like "Eh....lets not touch it". But he seriously needed an editor, badly. And you're absolutely right he's been making shit up. These were scenes needed chapters upon chapters ago. Didn't Eren have a thing for Historia? Nope, it was Mikasa all along! Out of nowhere! With no warning! WHEE. Does Historia's baby's parents matter! NOPE. Does Levi's fate matter? NOPE. Is he going to pull Annie out of stasis to have her and Mikasa kill Eren? PROBABLY!

Aww, look, Mikasa will have to kill ebil Eren even though he loved her (we find out in 20% of one chapter contrary to every single action he has taken previously) isn't that such a tragedy? Maybe for a 12 year old.

No. No it isn't. You didn't set it up at all. None of this is earned. At all. You can't have characters be cold to each other for nearly half the fucking book and expecting people to mystically care about this trio again, let alone Mikasa and Eren's relationship which has been subzero for what, 50+ chapters now or something crazy like that?

Also, you've set up Eren as nearly unkillable, 'Just as planned', so either he's going to have to win or you're going to have to 'Deus Ex Machina' him. The dude is literally a God right now. Then again, Japs have an erection for killing Gods so what the fuck ever. But you have never introduced any God Killing Weapons, so its going to have to be an ass pull. Even the fucktarded Code Geass ending doesn't work here. "Well, the evil Island Devils we've wanted to Genocide just tried to Genocide us, so we should stop invading them, right? Oh wait, they took away their own super weapons and are weak and exposed to the entire fucking world. lol thx for that." That would make even less sense than the time fuckery.

What a clusterfuck.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I guess the problem is that SnK was making a FUCKTON of money and editors were like "Eh....lets not touch it". But he seriously needed an editor, badly.

Exactly.

The very same thing happened during the Buu Saga in DBZ. The series was practically printing money at that point, and Toriyama pretty much had free reign to do whatever he wanted so long as he kept Goku the main focus. Unfortunately, Toriyama is the kind of writer who desperately needs an editor to keep him check, or else he, and his story go completely insane.

I have no doubt that Isayama is the exact same way. The current events of the series outright prove it.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Earlier in the thread, you guys pointed out that Isayama is into some shady things like torturing Reiner for some reason. What's the deal?

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Earlier in the thread, you guys pointed out that Isayama is into some shady things like torturing Reiner for some reason. What's the deal?

If his interviews, and rather questionable things that happen in his series are anything to go by (looking you, Shit Machine) Isayama is probably also a sadist in addition to being an autist.

If you're asking why he he likes torturing Reiner specifically, my best answer is that Isayama has claimed that he now identifies with Eren the most at this point, (which has horrifying implications, but let's not get into that right now) and Eren really hates Reiner for obvious reasons.

Eren wants Reiner to suffer. Isayama sees himself as Eren, and therefore Reiner will suffer because of that.

 

[The Great Chandler]

If his interviews, and rather questionable things that happen in his series are anything to go by (looking you, Shit Machine) Isayama is probably also a sadist in addition to being an autist.

If you're asking why he he likes torturing Reiner specifically, my best answer is that Isayama has claimed that he now identifies with Eren the most at this point, (which has horrifying implications, but let's not get into that right now) and Eren really hates Reiner for obvious reasons.

Eren wants Reiner to suffer. Isayama sees himself as Eren, and therefore Reiner will suffer because of that.

I have the feeling we're one of the only sites that talk about this. I hardly hear anyone else bring these up.