Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Stay safe]

How many Eldians in Marley do you think there are compared to the dissidents who were 1) captured, and 2) titanized in Paradis instead of Titanized for war purposes or just executed?

At least half of them. In real life, Madagascar is 1.6 times bigger then Germany, and the version in AoT is significantly larger, otherwise it wouldn't have room for the Walls and still have so much room to spare. Someone could probably do the math and determine exactly how big Paradis is, but I think it would be safe to say it's twice the size of real life Germany.

AoT seems to have WW1 era technology, so we can assume life expectancy and population are similar. At 1914, at the outbreak of WW1, Germany had a population of 67 million. Despite being double Germany's size, Paradis is absolutely filled with Titans, there's nowhere safe from them. In order for that to be possible, there must be double Germany's population, 134 million, but there are a million living behind the Walls, so we'll cut that number down to 133 million.

Even if my math is wrong, and it probably is, there would still have to be a minimum of 66 million Titans in order for Paradis to be as dangerous as it is. At least 66 million Eldians avoided becoming self-hating racists like Gabi, if so many people can do it, why can't she?

Falco was in regular correspondence with hobo Eren and was forced to endure a conversation between Eren and Reiner where they literally spell out that they're only fighting to protect what they care about. Gabi didn't get any of that until after she met the Blouses and Niccolo. Assuming that every Eldian Titanized on Paradis was a dissident, it was because a) they were dissatisfied with their status quo, b) they happened upon an Eldian Restorationist gathering, c) they were convinced and willing to become one of them, and d) the Restorationists were able to provide to them a competing historical record.

But even before he met Eren, did Falco ever go on one of Gabi's "GAS THE DEVIL, RACE WAR NOW!" rants? Can you honestly see him saying something like that?

It was pretty clear that Grisha's father was noided to "the walls have ears" levels and wasn't telling Grisha what he actually believed, but rather what he "needed" to believe to not get him and their entire lineage fed to dogs or turned into Titans in ɹɐɔsɐƃɐpɐW.

Even as an adult, Grisha hated his father and thinks he didn't give a shit about him or Faye, and was only mad at him because he was worried about his own life. He says "My father was rather talkative for someone who had just lost his daughter. As he stood there, shaming his forebearers and idolizing his oppressors, he looked just like a whipped dog." It's clear Isayama's intent was to portray his father as a shitty person, even if he later changed his mind.

But that's all a moot point. regardless of why, he tried to brainwash Grisha into hating his blood, and failed, which means Gabi has no excuse and ultimately choose to be a genocidal racist.

No, she planned to literally slaughter everyone on Paradis because she's of the mind that the source of her suffering as a Marleyan Eldian comes from the island Eldians, she doesn't have any non-generalized, non-abstract conception of the island Eldians, and then by complete coincidence they ended up proving her point in her mind by raiding her hometown and killing several of her comrades.

That's not any better. Similar things could be said of America after 9/11, yet the majority of the population wasn't calling for the extermination of every muslim. If you wish for genocide, no one really gives a shit about your reasons, the only reason Eren is the exception is because the manga has made it clear 99% of the outside population is violently racist towards Eldians. It's unrealistic as fuck, but that's what Isayama went with. You can even use Gabi as as an argument for the Rumbling, she shows that the childrne don't even wait until adulthood to commit hate crimes. Yeah, she (supposedly) changed, but she killed a lot of Eldians before that.

Bertolt, Reiner, and Annie let loose Titans in Eren's hometown in order to smoke out the Founding Titan. Erwin considered the residents of Stohess collateral damage in pursuit of capturing Annie. Zeke wants to cut the balls off every Eldian so they can't reproduce ever again, and Eren was last sighted committing Ragnarök on the entire world. Nobody's saying that what Gabi wanted to do was "okay", but this is a narrative where several characters of note either do or plan to do very not okay things for the sake of-- at the root-- their own goals. Like hell am I going to rationalize the actions according to a conventional morality.

This "We've all committed sins and have no right to judge" mindset doesn't mean they're all good people who should settle down and live happy lives, it all means that they're all equally evil and they all deserve to die for their crimes. Why should they be forgiven just because a lot of people do bad shit?

It's weird, you say they're all equally bad, but I don't see you jumping to Eren's defense like you do with Marley.

You mean like all the island Eldians did when their minds were wiped a century prior and they were given a retelling of history where they were the remainder of humanity? Literally everyone spends 80-something chapters either laboring under or trying to break through that very propaganda. The two people who were even slightly ahead of the curve were Erwin and his dad, and the latter got disappeared for it.

Are you seriously comparing propaganda to literally having your memories altered against your will?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

AoT seems to have WW1 era technology, so we can assume life expectancy and population are similar.

No, you can't. You know nothing about their medical advancements.

Despite being double Germany's size, Paradis is absolutely filled with Titans, there's nowhere safe from them.

Because they're Titans and there's no means outside the walls of gaining any kind of leverage without being freakishly talented to begin with or being a Titan shifter. There could be 2% of the number you're postulating and outside the walls would still be massively unsafe.

At least 66 million Eldians avoided becoming self-hating racists like Gabi, if so many people can do it, why can't she?

Assuming that your math is anywhere reasonable, you still had to admit that half of the Marleyan Eldians were affected by the propaganda. The question, then, is no longer "why couldn't Gabi break the conditioning", but rather "why is the propaganda (only as) effective as it is"?

But even before he met Eren, did Falco ever go on one of Gabi's "GAS THE DEVIL, RACE WAR NOW!" rants?

1) From his introduction, he was immediately characterized asmerciful (if not soft), since he was willing to drag an injured enemy soldier to the trenches to tend to him.
2) He was willing enough to join the Warrior program, the objective of which was to-- above all-- groom successors for the Titans they had. Personality aside, he didn't need to go on anti-island Eldian rants.

But that's all a moot point. regardless of why, he tried to brainwash Grisha into hating his blood, and failed, which means Gabi has no excuse and ultimately choose to be a genocidal racist.

Wouldn't the natural implication of that be that Gabi's family was better at indoctrination than Grisha's?

She absolutely chose, yes, but she didn't have the experience that Grisha had and in fact benefited from the fact that her cousin was the Armored.

That's not any better.

I'm not trying to say it is. I don't know why anyone's getting wrapped up in morality when discussing the motivations of these characters, seeing as any substantial motivation among any of them amounts to genocide. Was anyone asking about the moral implications of Eren's pledge to kill all Titans even though we knew early on that they were able to possess intelligence (cf. first fight with the Colossal) and even communicate (cf. Ilse's memoir)?

Similar things could be said of America after 9/11

No, they can't. We didn't have an abstract understanding of Muslims-- Europe and central/south Asia had been in contact for centuries. We already had thousands of people coming from those lands, and even more, they were Muslim. So we knew very well the kind of people that there in those lands, and couldn't make them abstract enough such that we could call for their genocide.

This "We've all committed sins and have no right to judge" mindset doesn't mean they're all good people who should settle down and live happy lives

But I'm not even saying that. The morality of the narrative precludes them from any of that if they can't successfully fight their way to that goal.

It's weird, you say they're all equally bad, but I don't see you jumping to Eren's defense like you do with Marley.

Because Eren isn't the focus of this discussion. I'm pretty sure I'm on record acknowledging that the reason why Eren is subjecting the world to death by footsies is because the entire Scouting Legion brain trust could not figure out a way to prevent the extermination of the Eldian race. Maybe if I more vigorously defended Eren, you would have understood my point that every one of these characters is moving in self-interest according to the information and options they have, and because of the shape of their world, any lasting solutions they have are pretty heinous.

Are you seriously comparing propaganda to literally having your memories altered against your will?

Yes? They propagated that information for generations and put the kibosh on activities that would even lead to the breaking of that narrative. That's functionally the most effective propaganda you could have.

 

[Stay safe]

No, you can't. You know nothing about their medical advancements.

Everything else is WW1 era, so why is not a fair assumption that the medical field is too? Or better yet, Isayama could actually do some world building.

Because they're Titans and there's no means outside the walls of gaining any kind of leverage without being freakishly talented to begin with or being a Titan shifter. There could be 2% of the number you're postulating and outside the walls would still be massively unsafe.

I should've made it more clear that I was referring to how impossible it is to avoid them, sorry. Even with the cities in the Walls acting as bait for them, it's still impossible to go far wihtout stumbling across them, that would only be the case if there was an insanely high number of them.

1) From his introduction, he was immediately characterized asmerciful (if not soft), since he was willing to drag an injured enemy soldier to the trenches to tend to him.

He wasn't the only one, Udo helped too. So no, it isn't hard to not be as bloodthirsty as Gabi.

Wouldn't the natural implication of that be that Gabi's family was better at indoctrination than Grisha's?

That's not my point, my point is that indoctrination is something that many people resist.

I'm not trying to say it is. I don't know why anyone's getting wrapped up in morality when discussing the motivations of these characters, seeing as any substantial motivation among any of them amounts to genocide. Was anyone asking about the moral implications of Eren's pledge to kill all Titans even though we knew early on that they were able to possess intelligence (cf. first fight with the Colossal) and even communicate (cf. Ilse's memoir)?

Because they weren't human, no one had any reason to believe these giant, uncanny looking creatures were anything but mindless killers. There's a big difference between thinking a giant creature is a monster because they're killing people with no logic to it, and thinking a human is a monster because they're from a different country.

The point of this whole conversation is morality, you claimed Gabi and Sasha's actions are mroally equivlent, I said they are not. Sasha killed because she wanted to protect her fmaily from a country that just declared war on her race, Gabi killed because she wanted to exterminate every Walldians for their race. Her friends dying is a moot point, since she wanted to kill every Walldian anyways.

Anyways, I don't want to derail the thread with some autistic argument. I actually found an interesting fan theory that might be on to something.

With three chapters left in AoT, we might be getting aliens.

Spoiler: Big-Ass Image

At first I was skeptical, but then someone pointed out something.

Spoiler: It is canon that AoT's world is upside down

I really don't want this to be true, it wouldn't even fun to laugh at, so am I the only one who thinks there's a decent chance of this happening?

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I really don't want this to be true, it wouldn't even fun to laugh at, so am I the only one who thinks there's a decent chance of this happening?

Until we get definitive proof otherwise, I will stand and say that this will not happen on the grounds that Isayama is not smart enough to pull something like this off.

On the other hand, besides Eren just straight-up keeling over from Titan Cancer, and/or the power of friendship actually working on him, I don't see any other way things could wrap up in just three chapters unless this theory is somehow actually correct, and that fucking terrifies me.

 

[Leafy is Here]

Gabi 360-noscoping Eren doesn't neutralize conflict at any level-- it's actually used to facilitate it.

So, I’ve been lurking this thread and made an account just to post this because I wanted in on the Gabi sperging. I don’t think Gabi shooting Eren’s head off only served to facilitate the conflict. I think it very much did matter and made it better for Mong and friends.

Because of it, they were able to figure out Eren’s weakness (the worm):

And this is just me theorizing but I think it crippled Eren’s form a bit by not allowing him to completely transform properly. Had he not been shot, I assume he would’ve had a Titan built more like Ymir’s founding Titan:

Now I don’t know what Ymir’s Titan can do in battle, but I think that form looks much better for swatting away the Cringevengers rather than being a floating head on a stick

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Everything else is WW1 era, so why is not a fair assumption that the medical field is too? Or better yet, Isayama could actually do some world building.


I should've made it more clear that I was referring to how impossible it is to avoid them, sorry. Even with the cities in the Walls acting as bait for them, it's still impossible to go far wihtout stumbling across them, that would only be the case if there was an insanely high number of them.


He wasn't the only one, Udo helped too. So no, it isn't hard to not be as bloodthirsty as Gabi.


That's not my point, my point is that indoctrination is something that many people resist.



Because they weren't human, no one had any reason to believe these giant, uncanny looking creatures were anything but mindless killers. There's a big difference between thinking a giant creature is a monster because they're killing people with no logic to it, and thinking a human is a monster because they're from a different country.

The point of this whole conversation is morality, you claimed Gabi and Sasha's actions are mroally equivlent, I said they are not. Sasha killed because she wanted to protect her fmaily from a country that just declared war on her race, Gabi killed because she wanted to exterminate every Walldians for their race. Her friends dying is a moot point, since she wanted to kill every Walldian anyways.

Anyways, I don't want to derail the thread with some autistic argument. I actually found an interesting fan theory that might be on to something.

With three chapters left in AoT, we might be getting aliens.

Spoiler: Big-Ass Image

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At first I was skeptical, but then someone pointed out something.

Spoiler: It is canon that AoT's world is upside down

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I really don't want this to be true, it wouldn't even fun to laugh at, so am I the only one who thinks there's a decent chance of this happening?

I'm watching the newest episode and noticed something that looks like the spine thing in the opening at around 9 seconds:

Could just be normal foreshadowing , or just supposed to be how the titan transformation works too I guess?

 

[MidnightSto]

Rip sasha,she died to mary sue herself.
I find it funny somehow everyone blames eren for everything

 

[Doctor of Autism]

To be honest Sasha's death is conflicting

I don't hate Gabi as a character (I don't mind her really and think she's just okay), but the setup for Sasha's death felt convoluted such as happening to be close enough to the airship, happened to see some guy still outside with his vertical gear, and the vertical gear happening to have a long connection which somehow Gabi understands how 3D Maneuver gear works and then gets on the ship.

I get in storytelling that not everything has to have a basis in reality and coincidences happen, but there were too many in setting up Sasha's death.

On the other hand, I really enjoyed the reactions of the characters to Sasha's death and liked how Gabi essentially got BTFO by everyone she thought she'd kill easily which feels like reality punching her down to realize she's just a kid, and I think the death reactions were emotional enough to work.

The only issue is just the coincidences and it would've been better if Sasha either got killed in the line of battle or there was a more feasible way for Gabi and Falco to sneak onto the ship.

 

[MidnightSto]

To be honest Sasha's death is conflicting

I don't hate Gabi as a character (I don't mind her really and think she's just okay), but the setup for Sasha's death felt convoluted such as happening to be close enough to the airship, happened to see some guy still outside with his vertical gear, and the vertical gear happening to have a long connection which somehow Gabi understands how 3D Maneuver gear works and then gets on the ship.

I get in storytelling that not everything has to have a basis in reality and coincidences happen, but there were too many in setting up Sasha's death.

On the other hand, I really enjoyed the reactions of the characters to Sasha's death and liked how Gabi essentially got BTFO by everyone she thought she'd kill easily which feels like reality punching her down to realize she's just a kid, and I think the death reactions were emotional enough to work.

The only issue is just the coincidences and it would've been better if Sasha either got killed in the line of battle or there was a more feasible way for Gabi and Falco to sneak onto the ship.

Agree.Isayama did sasha dirty,at least give her a proper death.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Agree.Isayama did sasha dirty,at least give her a proper death.

Honestly I don't mind an anticlimatic death, people die in disgrace all the time, hell AOT thrived off of that especially in the Return to Shiganshina arc with Marlowe and Bertolt's deaths being extremely pathetic while many of the named redshirts in early AOT died pathetic.

The issue with Sasha's death is really the setup to it having many coincidences but the emotional aftermath for it works well especially in how it starts to fuck with Gabi (ngl I kinda laughed when Floch and friends kicked her ass)

Also for the Eren thing you mentioned, it sort of made sense since he essentially forced everyone to go to Marley against their will because if he dies it would hurt their country, teamed up with Monkey Man, and due to those two factors caused a close friend to die. It doesn't help Eren lacks the conman tier charisma of Erwin.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

To be honest Sasha's death is conflicting

I don't hate Gabi as a character (I don't mind her really and think she's just okay), but the setup for Sasha's death felt convoluted such as happening to be close enough to the airship, happened to see some guy still outside with his vertical gear, and the vertical gear happening to have a long connection which somehow Gabi understands how 3D Maneuver gear works and then gets on the ship.

I get in storytelling that not everything has to have a basis in reality and coincidences happen, but there were too many in setting up Sasha's death.

On the other hand, I really enjoyed the reactions of the characters to Sasha's death and liked how Gabi essentially got BTFO by everyone she thought she'd kill easily which feels like reality punching her down to realize she's just a kid, and I think the death reactions were emotional enough to work.

The only issue is just the coincidences and it would've been better if Sasha either got killed in the line of battle or there was a more feasible way for Gabi and Falco to sneak onto the ship.

The real problem is Sasha was the last cute girl. Mikasa is too boyish now and no hot chicks are on the blimp. Hange doesn't count.

Truly the show is in for dark days.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The real problem is Sasha was the last cute girl. Mikasa is too boyish now and no hot chicks are on the blimp. Hange doesn't count.

Truly the show is in for dark days.

Imagine sleeping on Pieck.

EDIT: But seriously if the worst thing about Sasha's death is that she's a cute girl, that is a pathetic reason only waifufags would muster.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I haven' seen the episode yet, so I must ask: Were Sasha's last words still "meat"?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I haven' seen the episode yet, so I must ask: Were Sasha's last words still "meat"?

Yes they were which was still pretty corny.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Imagine sleeping on Pieck.

She's OK, I don't really get the hype though.

Yes they were which was still pretty corny.

Meat was one of her main motivations to fight giant monsters with a sword. They had a flashback to try and make it a bit more impactful, it might have been more effective if literally everyone wasn't already spoilered on it.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

IT BEGINS.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

IT BEGINS.
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Wonder what’s going to happen

But it’s fascinating how each week an Attack on Titan character has been trending on Twitter like Eren when Grim Reminder 2.0 happened, Reiner and Armin for last week, and so on and so forth. Attack on Titan is probably going to reach the massive amount of mainstream popularity it had back when Season 1 aired

Speaking of which someone looked over the anime and manga differences

 

[Trashfire Garbagefuck]

IT BEGINS.
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BREAKING: President Biden REFUSES to publicly denounce known mary suepremacist Gabi Braun

 

[WinchesterPremium]

BREAKING: President Biden REFUSES to publicly denounce known mary suepremacist Gabi Braun

BIDEN LIED SHASHA DIED
#MEAT

 

[Bunny Tracks]

No comment. Just Gabi gettin' decked in the face.

Edit: This is really blowing up on twitter lmao

Edit: Oh my god, she really did say "meat"! They actually did it! I can check this off the list! This is amazing!