Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[Doctor of Autism]

Gabi sucks because she serves no purpose other than to anger people who liked Sasha. There's really no justification for her character. If she was a foil for Eren, she would have inherited a titan, but would have been above the hate and stand for justice. She would be a mirror for Eren, not identical to him. There's no real reason to have an identical Eren, because you have a character who already embodies these traits.

Gabi is simply a bad character to anger readers, because even though she is identical to Eren, she shows no personal growth, basically like Eren. So what is the point of her being there? She's redundant. You don't need two Eren's in a story as its obviously quite logical that the opposing side would have one similar to him, but when you're crafting a story, you want that person to have a purpose. You want her to learn where he doesn't. You want her to recant her hate. You want the guilt for murder to eat her alive. That's how you develop a foil.

But she's not developed as a foil. She is a meta character, there to aggravate readers and serve as a tool to kill a character Isayama already wanted dead and replace her with something he wanted. This is why Gabi is a bad character. She is more of a self-insert than anything else. Its also one of the many examples of why Isayama is a bad writer. You don't kill a character and basically replace them with an identical character (unless you're in Gantz and then you're already in bugfuck territory).

Gabi COULD have been a foil for Eren, being like him in the beginning but changing over the story and developing into the protagonist while Eren becomes the antagonist, hence having this role reversal where Eren can't let go of his hate but Gabi can. But that never happens.

What is her purpose? What narrative themes does she offer that other characters do not have? We've already got child soldiers. We've already got unrepentant killers as kids. We've already got someone like Sasha. She's a complete redundancy. You CAN'T write characters that are thematically redundant, no matter the side. Of COURSE the other side is going to view the other side as 'bad'. The problem is you have to consider the audience. Which side has the audience spent the most time with? Have you given previous context to their actions being amoral or morally dubious? Do the protagonists oppose these views? Do they support them? "LOL BOTH SIDS ARE BAD" because they just don't consider these questions and a lot of authors forget that the audience is always going to side with characters and factions they've spent the most time with, especially if they're enjoyable and they're the protagonist. Or especially if they're just following around this awesome protagonist but then randomly his side is just as shitty or he does out of character actions to show that his side is 'just as bad'.

I disagree with parts of this and think you may be a little bit too MATI at some random Japanese author

It's really idiotic to assume Gabi's entire existence is to piss Sasha fans off when Iseyama could've easily done worse to make Sasha's death more rage-inducing he could've easily made her act like an idiot to build up to her death or alternatively basically have her tortured to death by Marleyans by having her be eaten by dogs as some pretentious way of saying "LOL SHE LIKES MEAT BUT NOW SHE IS FOOD FOR DOGS" or some shit-machine bullshit. Also I disagree that she had no growth because she hated the Islanders less after meeting Sasha's family and some close relatives to see them as not devils. She still hates Eren which is justified since Eren committed mass murder.

Outside of appearances and being cheerful at times, Gabi is not really similar to Sasha and just feels like a mini-genderswap fusion of Eren and Reiner (though ironically she acts more like Floch is). As for an alleged Iseyama self-insert, it feels like Zeke or Eren are more of a self-insert than Gabi. Zeke has been hyped up the most out of any AOT character by Iseyama for years, and is an autistic nerd who is always portrayed as super smart with most of his plans going well. Eren meanwhile is the protagonist who knows absolutely anything, near-unbeatable (depends on how the ending goes), always portrayed as cool and badass, and could potentially get away with mass genocide. Gabi on the other hand is more of a plot device to generate conflict at her worst. Both characters are also portrayed as the smartest and have super cool "clever" plans to make them look like they are playing 4D chess (though out of the two, Eren is the more likely to be a self-insert) like the semi-pretentious moment when both Eren and Zeke are in the PATHs world to show cool Eren is which feels like it came straight out of a pretentious nerd's self insert story, they just need to play a game of Chess to really ram down the pretentious angle.

As for Gabi's purpose in the story, I think she was a messy way (even though I am indifferent about her/mildly like her, she is a mess writing wise) of Iseyama trying to break the self-fulfilling prophecy of having someone like Reiner/Eren get out of the cycle of being a mentally disturbed child soldier who hurt those closest to them for their own goals of wanting to be a hero to their people which is why there is a big deal of Reiner wanting Falco to get a titan instead of Gabi and Gabi getting humiliated or learning that not all of the other side is bad. The only times Gabi was ever portrayed in a "badass" way is to only ever further the plot rather than make her cool. The issue with Gabi's arc is that there isn't enough time to know her before she killed Sasha outside of being Pre-Timeskip!Eren 2.0. If Iseyama wanted to get the intended emotions for Gabi that he likely have wanted than he should've just had Gabi still get on the ship but get her ass kicked right away for killing that redshirt by Floch and friend, and probably have some sort of relationship with Sasha to build up then during the Marley invasion fight, Sasha could've died to save her. This is cliche but Gabi's whole character is not really new as she is a brainwashed soldier who learns the other side is not so bad and that things are much more grey.

tl;dr Eren and Zeke are more likely Iseyama self-inserts, Gabi is just a messy attempt of a "breaking the cycle" character arc by being a mini-fusion of Eren and Reiner, and she would've been better received if Iseyama went a safer route with her character arc then rushing into it for audience shock.

 

[Tetra]

S1: Let's take Eren to Marley
S2: Let's take Eren to Marley
S3: Let's take Eren to Marley
S4: EREN WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE PLEASE RETURN TO THE WALLS

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Despite my pseudo-defense for Gabi (despite what I said, still fuck her for killing best girl) earlier.....these fucking beatdown videos are still hilarious and there is a playlist

 

[Stoneheart]

"Titan" is the English translation, its japanese name "Shingeki no Kyojin" literally means "advancing giants". Or like "Big person moving forward" or "Attack of the large people" or something. Likewise the Titans are called Kyojin. So it is just kinda an English thing.

So its the anglos fault...

You mean Legend of the Galactic Heroes?

yes

Should see it someday...

yes

 

[Secret Asshole]

I disagree with parts of this and think you may be a little bit too MATI at some random Japanese author

It's really idiotic to assume Gabi's entire existence is to piss Sasha fans off when Iseyama could've easily done worse to make Sasha's death more rage-inducing he could've easily made her act like an idiot to build up to her death or alternatively basically have her tortured to death by Marleyans by having her be eaten by dogs as some pretentious way of saying "LOL SHE LIKES MEAT BUT NOW SHE IS FOOD FOR DOGS" or some shit-machine bullshit. Also I disagree that she had no growth because she hated the Islanders less after meeting Sasha's family and some close relatives to see them as not devils. She still hates Eren which is justified since Eren committed mass murder.

Outside of appearances and being cheerful at times, Gabi is not really similar to Sasha and just feels like a mini-genderswap fusion of Eren and Reiner (though ironically she acts more like Floch is). As for an alleged Iseyama self-insert, it feels like Zeke or Eren are more of a self-insert than Gabi. Zeke has been hyped up the most out of any AOT character by Iseyama for years, and is an autistic nerd who is always portrayed as super smart with most of his plans going well. Eren meanwhile is the protagonist who knows absolutely anything, near-unbeatable (depends on how the ending goes), always portrayed as cool and badass, and could potentially get away with mass genocide. Gabi on the other hand is more of a plot device to generate conflict at her worst. Both characters are also portrayed as the smartest and have super cool "clever" plans to make them look like they are playing 4D chess (though out of the two, Eren is the more likely to be a self-insert) like the semi-pretentious moment when both Eren and Zeke are in the PATHs world to show cool Eren is which feels like it came straight out of a pretentious nerd's self insert story, they just need to play a game of Chess to really ram down the pretentious angle.

As for Gabi's purpose in the story, I think she was a messy way (even though I am indifferent about her/mildly like her, she is a mess writing wise) of Iseyama trying to break the self-fulfilling prophecy of having someone like Reiner/Eren get out of the cycle of being a mentally disturbed child soldier who hurt those closest to them for their own goals of wanting to be a hero to their people which is why there is a big deal of Reiner wanting Falco to get a titan instead of Gabi and Gabi getting humiliated or learning that not all of the other side is bad. The only times Gabi was ever portrayed in a "badass" way is to only ever further the plot rather than make her cool. The issue with Gabi's arc is that there isn't enough time to know her before she killed Sasha outside of being Pre-Timeskip!Eren 2.0. If Iseyama wanted to get the intended emotions for Gabi that he likely have wanted than he should've just had Gabi still get on the ship but get her ass kicked right away for killing that redshirt by Floch and friend, and probably have some sort of relationship with Sasha to build up then during the Marley invasion fight, Sasha could've died to save her. This is cliche but Gabi's whole character is not really new as she is a brainwashed soldier who learns the other side is not so bad and that things are much more grey.

tl;dr Eren and Zeke are more likely Iseyama self-inserts, Gabi is just a messy attempt of a "breaking the cycle" character arc by being a mini-fusion of Eren and Reiner, and she would've been better received if Iseyama went a safer route with her character arc then rushing into it for audience shock.

I'm more mad at the people who think he's a fucking genius when his errors are patently obvious.

I am being hyperbolic when I say Gabi's existence is to piss off Sasha fans. The reality is Isayama wanted Sasha dead for a very long time (if I remember correctly she was supposed to die around the bow and arrow segment with the titan) but it made a female editor cry so he briefly changed the timeline for when Sasha would be killed.

I mean, you could call Gabi a plot device, but I've already treated the long treaded ground that there aren't really characters in AoT besides Eren. Obviously the super-uber cool aspects of her character are incredibly annoying and Sasha's family simping for the girl that killed their child is fucking hysterical. I mean that whole PATHs section where Eren looked like he was about to masturbate when he saw the mountains of corpses was pretentious as all hell.

Like with the rest, she's barely a character. She does things to drive the plot along, like taking a 30 pound anti-material rifle and scoring a perfect headshot from a crouching stance, which was then retconned to have some thing growing out of Eren's spine because oops, Isayama completely forgot to give them a way to kill Eren. Or possibly kill Eren. But even then he's just a giant fucking head on a skeleton so you'd blow up his spine anyway so I don't even see the fucking point of it.

In any event, the story is garbage, all the characters are cardboard cut-outs and the only reason people care is Sasha is like one of the three decent characters in the story itself.

EDIT:
I mean we've got what, 3 chapters left at this point if it ends April 2021? I am looking to see how this shit show ends itself.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I'm more mad at the people who think he's a fucking genius when his errors are patently obvious.

I am being hyperbolic when I say Gabi's existence is to piss off Sasha fans. The reality is Isayama wanted Sasha dead for a very long time (if I remember correctly she was supposed to die around the bow and arrow segment with the titan) but it made a female editor cry so he briefly changed the timeline for when Sasha would be killed.

I get that but the hyperbole feels more like borderline A-Logging at times, but honestly the people who act like Iseyama is a genius when it's clear he is the type of writer who writes the story as it goes along is annoying. It doesn't help even Iseyama is not proud of his own stuff like the time he made fun of his own artwork being bad and all the changes he encouraged the anime to make (i.e. rewriting the entire Uprising arc.)

I mean, you could call Gabi a plot device, but I've already treated the long treaded ground that there aren't really characters in AoT besides Eren. Obviously the super-uber cool aspects of her character are incredibly annoying and Sasha's family simping for the girl that killed their child is fucking hysterical. I mean that whole PATHs section where Eren looked like he was about to masturbate when he saw the mountains of corpses was pretentious as all hell.

To be honest Sasha's family forgiving Gabi wasn't that egregious for me, especially given the context of it being in war and how Sasha definitely spared Gabi (they probably would've been chums in another aspect). But the whole PATHs section was the cringiest shit ever that felt hilarious. I hope Iseyama doesn't have a last minute epiphany at how pretentious that is because it is fucking hilarious especially if it gets in the anime unchanged.

Like with the rest, she's barely a character. She does things to drive the plot along, like taking a 30 pound anti-material rifle and scoring a perfect headshot from a crouching stance, which was then retconned to have some thing growing out of Eren's spine because oops, Isayama completely forgot to give them a way to kill Eren. Or possibly kill Eren.

In any event, the story is garbage, all the characters are cardboard cut-outs and the only reason people care is Sasha is like one of the three decent characters in the story itself.

Oh I agree with it that Gabi sometimes feels like a plot device. She is a good character but Iseyama does a hack movie other writers do and treat children characters as just a plot device to move the conflict along or motivate a character. Though I can agree to disagree with you on the cast as I do enjoy a fair portion of the characters and some of them are unintentionally hilarious (i.e. Floch), but it does feel sometimes Iseyama is trying hard to simultaneously make the story horrifying while also wanting to do a happy ending since he clearly is self-conscious of fans hating his stuff given how he changed his original intended ending and probably why he is so happy to allow or encourage the anime to change things for the sake of a better structure (like hell this was prominent in Season 1 where the anime changed the early arcs around like not immediately skipping to the Battle of Trost after chapter 1 to then segway to the training arc after showing some of the fellow recruits dying in chapter 2.).

 

[Secret Asshole]

I get that but the hyperbole feels more like borderline A-Logging at times, but honestly the people who act like Iseyama is a genius when it's clear he is the type of writer who writes the story as it goes along is annoying. It doesn't help even Iseyama is not proud of his own stuff like the time he made fun of his own artwork being bad and all the changes he encouraged the anime to make (i.e. rewriting the entire Uprising arc.)



To be honest Sasha's family forgiving Gabi wasn't that egregious for me, especially given the context of it being in war and how Sasha definitely spared Gabi (they probably would've been chums in another aspect). But the whole PATHs section was the cringiest shit ever that felt hilarious. I hope Iseyama doesn't have a last minute epiphany at how pretentious that is because it is fucking hilarious especially if it gets in the anime unchanged.


Oh I agree with it that Gabi sometimes feels like a plot device. She is a good character but Iseyama does a hack movie other writers do and treat children characters as just a plot device to move the conflict along or motivate a character. Though I can agree to disagree with you on the cast as I do enjoy a fair portion of the characters and some of them are unintentionally hilarious (i.e. Floch), but it does feel sometimes Iseyama is trying hard to simultaneously make the story horrifying while also wanting to do a happy ending since he clearly is self-conscious of fans hating his stuff given how he changed his original intended ending and probably why he is so happy to allow or encourage the anime to change things for the sake of a better structure (like hell this was prominent in Season 1 where the anime changed the early arcs around like not immediately skipping to the Battle of Trost after chapter 1 to then segway to the training arc after showing some of the fellow recruits dying in chapter 2.).

Isayama's main problem is that he got bored of writing Attack on Titan as a horror story and wanted to make it a war story instead, and it just does not work. At all. Everything just completely falls apart and we're left with no real antagonist (I mean, Reiner is the bitch of this story). And Eren as the protagonist who everyone thought was playing 4D chess when in reality it was "LOL GENOCIDE". He plays a lot for time and AoT has a TON of pointless filler. The story was guided by Eren far too much, to the point where Isayama admits its Eren's story, but even then we barely know his motivations or inner thoughts except maybe he gets erections for murder. And its obvious that he killed off Sasha because this is a super duper serious story (even though it has some of the most unintentionally hilarious shit in it like Zeke catching Eren's head like a baseball or Eren looks off into the distance like a fucking mental patient as he describes massive amount of death and destruction).

The PATHs bullshit ruined so much in my opinion that it was just hysterical. Especially since it just turns out Eren wants to be a murder machine and there's really nothing complicated about his motivations.

So in AOT protagonist transforms into the antagonist because we didn't really have one, and then we have no more protagonist. This can happen in stories where the character undergoes major trauma or suffers an extreme loss or has a mental break. But we never really get that from Eren. I don't think Isayama himself knew what Eren was going to do. So you have one character totally driving the story. And its done for far too long with too little about his motivations. Which has the story completely and utterly cornered. I mean, if I were to say how it were to end, Armin is going to pull some crazy shit in PATHS either pulling a Jojo Part 6 (retcon your entire story), trap Eren in Paths/Kill him while some of the characters die so you can show this is a super duper serious story or the joke ending of Eren just fucking murdering everything (best ending because it'd be the funniest).

I honestly don't feel it is possible right now to pull out a sufficiently 'dark' ending that's interesting without it being a complete anti-climax or disappointment. You can kill Eren and most of the cast, but it leaves the world a wreck and everyone is too tired to re-build. I mean, yeah, its bittersweet, but it is heavily mediocre. You've got PATHS, Gods and Titans and you go for "Well, the world is just too fucked up for them to kill each other anymore." Boring. You could kill every named character while brining about peace and their sacrifice unites the world. Go for the Jesus ending. We all know how that worked out for the Matrix. Eren could be absolutely right and kill all his friends and bring about world peace that way.

I think if you wanted to go for the absolute darkest ending without it being an anti-climax, you have Armin playing 4D chess and everyone coordinating with some sacrifices and they save the day, but it turns out Eren was absolutely fucking right. That's really I think the only way to go and you'd have to make more characters survive to give the audience something back.

Part of me feels like this is going to go Jojo Part 6 where somehow Armin and Zeke use their combined powers of autism to re-create 'Made in Heaven' and restart the universe.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Part of me feels like this is going to go Jojo Part 6 where somehow Armin and Zeke use their combined powers of autism to re-create 'Made in Heaven' and restart the universe.

If this happens I will be dying of laughter especially with how crazy dumb it is, and that allegedly Jojo Part 6's anime adaptation itself is coming out this year so that means there will be two stories coming out this year for the anime community that end in resets.

Though reading all this makes me want to see what would happen if Hideo Kojima, Iseyama, and Araki worked together on a story to see the massive drug fueled dumb shit that could come out.

As for Iseyama hating AOT, it seems he is wanting to take it seriously which is why he killed Sasha as it felt like the classic move of a writer killing off a comedic relief to up the stakes, but at the same time reading those comedy bonus pages in the manga makes me wonder if Iseyama enjoys writing comedic stuff more since those bonus pages are actually hilarious.

For other news, the next chapter for the manga is going to come out next week so let's see what autism that chapter will bring.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

To be honest Sasha's family forgiving Gabi wasn't that egregious for me, especially given the context of it being in war and how Sasha definitely spared Gabi

It's not that they forgive her.

It's the fact that they blame Sasha for her own death.

Sasha, who joined the military to make her family proud.

That's the part that pisses me off. Not that Gabi gets forgiven. That Sasha gets thrown under the bus in the worst way possible. That's it. That's always been it.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It's not that they forgive her.

It's the fact that they blame Sasha for her own death.

Sasha, who joined the military to make her family proud.

That's the part that pisses me off. Not that Gabi gets forgiven. That Sasha gets thrown under the bus in the worst way possible. That's it. That's always been it.

Oh god, they did do that, don’t they?

Didn’t they also offer to adopt Gabi or something? Right before the Zeke juice started affecting people?

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Part of me feels like this is going to go Jojo Part 6 where somehow Armin and Zeke use their combined powers of autism to re-create 'Made in Heaven' and restart the universe.

I've been calling that since I heard about the entire situation being originated by a gate being left open. They have time bullshit powers now..the only Logical ending is for someone to go back in time and yell "CLOSE THE MOTHERFUCKING GATE YOU DUMB DISCOUNT JEW" at somebody.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Oh god, they did do that, don’t they?

Didn’t they also offer to adopt Gabi or something? Right before the Zeke juice started affecting people?

Yeah, they pretty much do, and that's what I take issue with.

Forgive Gabi, or don't, but don't blame your daughter for her own death. Especially when she only put herself in that situation to make you proud, assholes. And then don't immediately basically adopt her killer afterwards.

 

[Secret Asshole]

If this happens I will be dying of laughter especially with how crazy dumb it is, and that allegedly Jojo Part 6's anime adaptation itself is coming out this year so that means there will be two stories coming out this year for the anime community that end in resets.

Though reading all this makes me want to see what would happen if Hideo Kojima, Iseyama, and Araki worked together on a story to see the massive drug fueled dumb shit that could come out.

As for Iseyama hating AOT, it seems he is wanting to take it seriously which is why he killed Sasha as it felt like the classic move of a writer killing off a comedic relief to up the stakes, but at the same time reading those comedy bonus pages in the manga makes me wonder if Iseyama enjoys writing comedic stuff more since those bonus pages are actually hilarious.

For other news, the next chapter for the manga is going to come out next week so let's see what autism that chapter will bring.

Off topic, I'm not looking forward to Jojo part 6 even though I love Jojo so much. Jojo Part 6 desperately needs an epilogue and since the Jojo animes basically stick to Araki as faithfully as possible, including one is highly unlikely. And not having a proper epilogue for basically the final arc I think is one of the biggest failures of the Jojo series.

It would be great, also toss in junji ito and you'd basically have a manga that would get you fucking high by reading it.

I don't know if he hates it, but it feels like he didn't like where he was going with it and wanted more of a war story but included these ridiculously weird fantasy elements for some reason and it just mashes so many genres its insane.

I've been calling that since I heard about the entire situation being originated by a gate being left open. They have time bullshit powers now..the only Logical ending is for someone to go back in time and yell "CLOSE THE MOTHERFUCKING GATE YOU DUMB DISCOUNT JEW" at somebody.

I honestly think that's the way its going to go. PATHS is too important not to be used, and its like Chekov's nuclear weapon at this point. It has to play some large role in the finale. Plus it gives Isayama the satisfaction of brutally murdering every character and then just erasing it or saying it was in a 'different reality' so he can have his cake and eat it too where he brutally and gleefully murders everyone and has a decent ending at the same time.

I really think that this sort of retcon is the only way to remotely salvage Attack on Titan as it even fits with some of the themes (cycles of revenge and discrimination, breaking the loop of revenge, etc.). So thematically it would be on point. You could show Levi and Petra in their fucking teashop or whatever fan masturbation bullshit you wanted, yet still have them be brutally murdered in another universe.

I kind of feel like he's just written himself into a corner where this is basically a satisfactory ending without being boring, or resorting to Jesus metaphors or just abandoning PATHs completely. I kind of just don't feel like any other ending would work as well. I mean you could go for the 'noble sacrifice' but how many times has AoT done that shit? And you're going to do it again? It doesn't seem like Eren is going for a Code Geass at least.

So as a story-teller, the ret-con is really the only ending that can give a satisfactory conclusion while fulfilling Isayama's sadism towards his own characters. It gives him the fun option of killing them off brutally and then going 'naw' to give his readers closure they need. I mean he might fuck with them and 'pretend' that's the real ending one chapter but the next one turns out its all reversed.

In the end, he has very limited options and the retcon/closing the time loop so there's peace seems like the best and most fitting one thematically. I just don't see any other ways where it ends up disappointing, mediocre or anti-climatic. Especially with such limited time left.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It's not that they forgive her.

It's the fact that they blame Sasha for her own death.

Sasha, who joined the military to make her family proud.

That's the part that pisses me off. Not that Gabi gets forgiven. That Sasha gets thrown under the bus in the worst way possible. That's it. That's always been it.

Alright though was it blaming Sasha in the way of "Well shit we expected it because she was in the military" or "that little shit deserved it" or something else? Since I remember it being the former but unsure.

Just curious, and if possible could you show the manga page since I haven't read that part in a long time.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Alright though was it blaming Sasha in the way of "Well shit we expected it because she was in the military" or "that little shit deserved it" or something else? Since I remember it being the former but unsure.

Just curious, and if possible could you show the manga page since I haven't read that part in a long time.

It was chapter 111, and it was more of the former.

The page itself has a huge retcon about Sasha's father being the one who directly sent her out to be a soldier when that's not fucking true at all, but regardless her family seems to out of their way not to blame Gabi even though it was her fault.

I mean, I understand what they mean by "letting go of hatred", and shit, but that doesn't mean you can't still hold people accountable for their crimes, and such.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Going by season 3 and first half of season 4 even if Eren decided to be a broken bitch doggo and stayed within the walls; all that does is let Marley get rest of the continent and world on it's side, build up an large enough force to invade Paradis, killed or enslaved every last Island Eldien. Would have took from a year to thirty years of technological development, manufacturing, and organizing to do so but it is going to happen. Given what Eren seen from through PATHS and his own eyes just be sure everything he known of the outside world is current not out of date and just to be goddamn sure before he pulled the trigger.

Regarding Eren and his character development or lack of, anime version he went through several since the first epsiode when the wall was breached and he saw his mom eaten and so on with each life altering experience.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It was chapter 111, and it was more of the former.

The page itself has a huge retcon about Sasha's father being the one who directly sent her out to be a soldier when that's not fucking true at all, but regardless her family seems to out of their way not to blame Gabi even though it was her fault.

I mean, I understand what they mean by "letting go of hatred", and shit, but that doesn't mean you can't still hold people accountable for their crimes, and such.
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God the phrasing of that is weird, sounds like he's blaming the people who caused the war. But regardless half of the phrasing for that sounds like one of the cornier Metal Gear Solid lines hamfisting about "war bad". Only reason I can see them not blaming Gabi and rather than the adults is Iseyama doing "WAR BAD" message or typical shit where writers usually have characters go soft on child characters as though children should never be held accountable.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It was chapter 111, and it was more of the former.

The page itself has a huge retcon about Sasha's father being the one who directly sent her out to be a soldier when that's not fucking true at all, but regardless her family seems to out of their way not to blame Gabi even though it was her fault.

I mean, I understand what they mean by "letting go of hatred", and shit, but that doesn't mean you can't still hold people accountable for their crimes, and such.
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That first line does have an unfortunate feeling of “well, she deserves it for going to kill people” despite, you know, WHY.

 

[Trombonista]

Okay, I have to confess, I originally stopped reading just before Levi's backstory because it was the last chapter released at the time and I just forgot to go back. Should I at least check that part out in the anime?

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Okay, I have to confess, I originally stopped reading just before Levi's backstory because it was the last chapter released at the time and I just forgot to go back. Should I at least check that part out in the anime?

Spiderman cowboy is great. Yes.