Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

How will Eren be stopped?


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I think Isayama just is letting his emotions direct AOT since this is what he said about the ending (Still laughing that even he thinks Game of Thrones ending was trash, makes me think he dropped GOT as his influence and went to look at Marvel movies, especially since AOT had a one-shot crossover with Marvel Comics which Isayama helped write.)
“I was a big fan of Game of Thrones, so I can relate to the feelings of those fans who were disappointed with how the series ended,” he said. “But when I’m drawing, I’m expressing my own feelings, and I think as long as I’m doing that, my fans will be able to accept whatever ending I come up with for them.”

Honestly the behind the scenes of the creative process for AOT's manga/anime is honestly more interesting to learn about, Isayama kind of reminds me of George Lucas when he directed the Star Wars prequels in terms of how they write (especially since he has great ideas and concepts but manages some of them terribly like Prequel era George).

also these are the other times Isayama talked about the ending which really changed a lot, sometimes bordering on "I'M WORKING ON IT" territory

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But it wouldn't be fun. I mean, when Eren's head got shot off and Zeke caught it, I laughed so hard my sides hurt. Just for how fucking ridiculous it was. Now most of the time I'm just rapidly scanning through because its been massive amounts of filler. There's simply too much to resolve in 2 chapters if Eren's alive without just dumping exposition (which he has done before). And that is, of course, the greatest sin of writing: telling, not showing. But it won't be any fun like Eren masturbating to corpses and shit like that. Maybe we'll get lucky and the dialogue will be pure shit as usual.
It's not fun, but I don't really need it to be.

I'll get my fun by watching the fandom implode into a blackhole of anger, denial, lunacy, and memes, and from the knowledge that Isayama destroyed his story, reputation, and legacy and that he'll always hate himself for doing that. He was never a happy man, and now he'll never be, and it's his own fault. I'll get my fun by watching him, and his series fade away into a history that won't be kind to them. I'll get my fun knowing that unlike his character, Levi, he'll regret what he did for the rest of his sad, angry life.

And tragic as that is, it's more than enough for me.
 
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Makes you think, doesn't it?
It makes me think in what fucking universe could someone interpret a leaf as a baseball and why Zeke would ever listen to someone he barely knows. It was hilarious I'll give him that. Just having Zeke wave to Levi and getting fucking murked was beyond parody. Its something you see in a comic sketch.
I think Isayama just is letting his emotions direct AOT since this is what he said about the ending (Still laughing that even he thinks Game of Thrones ending was trash, makes me think he dropped GOT as his influence and went to look at Marvel movies, especially since AOT had a one-shot crossover with Marvel Comics which Isayama helped write.)


Honestly the behind the scenes of the creative process for AOT's manga/anime is honestly more interesting to learn about, Isayama kind of reminds me of George Lucas when he directed the Star Wars prequels in terms of how they write (especially since he has great ideas and concepts but manages some of them terribly like Prequel era George).

also these are the other times Isayama talked about the ending which really changed a lot, sometimes bordering on "I'M WORKING ON IT" territory

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Oh yeah, big time. He let whatever mood he was in dictate the story, as well as whatever he was watching at the time, which is why its fucking all over the place. I guess he really liked Endgame and decided to make Eren Thanos or some shit.

But really, nothing about the chapter makes sense. Ymir betrays Eren just because. Zeke decides to kill himself just because. The Founding Titan uses no Godlike Powers just because. Dead characters come back just because. Its a massive fucking shitshow. It just felt like "Fuck it, I want this over".

I also think a big part of the problem with Isayama is he's too influenced by other media and trying to follow them. He apes their themes and concepts without really understanding why. I mean, the ending was originally going to be 'The Mist', then he switches to 'Game of Thrones' and now, seemingly, 'The Avengers'. So you get this mishmash of ideas and themes and narratives that contradict each other and just make no fucking sense.

I don't know how it is in Japan, if you can take on a writing staff or have editors helping you out. Because in the OT you had people constantly around Lucas hitting him with a whip going "NO, BAD GEORGE, BAD." Its possible when the anime took off, it allowed him much more control than he originally had and it completely degenerated into nonsense.

The only time the story flowed organically was at the beginning when there was no anime. Then when you get the anime, it becomes a mess and that organic formation is gone. And a lot of chapters seemed to be playing for time to figure out what he was going to do. There were so many times where he just used author fiat to get himself out of corners he wrote himself in.

It created this illusion of some 'grand narrative' where there was all this lore and plotting going on in the background. But ah, no. I mean, the whole last chapter was 'just because'. He knew they had no way of killing a living God, so he just decided they did. Maybe Eren will give some stupid speech about how genocide was wrong or 'this was the only way' and Ymir loves humanity now or some dumb bullshit.

I mean, there still could be the last second asspull where Eren was never in the founding Titan and waited for Historia to give birth to a reincarted Ymir, and he started the Rumbling because he couldn't risk Marley and the world destroying the entire island. But I doubt it. If its not Eren dead and monologuing, it will be something retarded, because it always is.

It's not fun, but I don't really need it to be.

I'll get my fun by watching the fandom implode into a blackhole of anger, denial, lunacy, and memes, and from the knowledge that Isayama destroyed his story, reputation, and legacy and that he'll always hate himself for doing that. He was never a happy man, and now he'll never be, and it's his own fault. I'll get my fun by watching him, and his series fade away into a history that won't be kind to them. I'll get my fun knowing that unlike his character, Levi, he'll regret what he did for the rest of his sad, angry life.

And tragic as that is, it's more than enough for me.
I mean, the reactions of the fanbase are hilarious. It will basically cause people to memory hole this entire fucking thing. Oh, he always seemed miserable and he seemed to get his fun from fucking with his audience, which completely backfired on him, basically ruining his entire story. Eh, he's a shit writer who instead of focusing on a good story decided to try and mess with his audience constantly. Fuck 'em.

I remember all the fucktarded 'theories' about the 'symbols' in Isayama's terrible fucking art. Like people would pick out these things from chapters and they were all just originating from inconsistences where Isayama had no plan and just forgot where he was going, or just from his terrible art.

The time-loop being theory being the biggest one. In all honesty, he should have just went with the whole time-loop concept. It would have been the best for him because he could have his faggot WWII fanfiction, edgy death scenes and edgy Eren and audience fucking all at the same time. Unfortunately, you have to give it a satisfying ending. But boo hoo. So the gist is Ymir is trapped in PATHs and has gone insane from the pain she is suffering, so she always ends the world through the rumbling. You have a character that tries to save Ymir at the beginning of the myth but fails. This would be Eren reincarnated.

He's gone through this maybe millions of times, which is why he's slowly going insane and so numb to the death around him. This would be the 'twist'. Then you'd have him get some McGuffin he never realized before but he has to do some heinous shit to get it. Have the audience assume its just Eren's thirst for blood and power, but its really to save the world itself.

Eren gets the McGuffin, and is forced to kill all of his friends in the final battle, where he activates the said McGuffin. Then you get the scene at the beginning of the manga with him and Mikasa, and why he doesn't realize he's crying. At the beginning it was tears of sadness and pain that he had to kill everyone he loved again. But this time, its tears of joy, because when he looks around on the grassy fields, there's no walls. The loop is finally broken and he's fulfilled his promise to eradicate all Titans. The original title, 'To you, 2,000 years" finally makes sense in that it took Eren 2,000 combined years to finally succeed in breaking the loop.

The benefit of this story is it allows you to subvert expectations in a good way. It allows you to kill developed characters with consequence and just show the sheer horror of having to do what Eren does, and that he's actually a hero for putting himself through this heinous shit. That it was his strength of will that allowed him to succeed. It shows his traits from the beginning and how they matured.

The story comes full circle, right back to the beginning. There, you have your rising action, your falling action, your resolution and your climax. I just outlined a full story in 15 minutes including everything Isayama wanted to do. Fuck with the audience, have edgy death scenes, make Eren an edge lord. Not fucking rocket science.

But I could write how to simply fix AoT all fucking day. I think that's what gets me. It is NOT hard to fix the WWII fuck-up. You have to abandon your pretentions and your own fanfic to do so, but it CAN be done. Even with his fanfiction, the errors were not hard to correct to at least make it somewhat mediocre. And he couldn't even do that.

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I also think too many authors get caught up in "BUT THE FANS WILL FIGURE IT OUT". So what? That means they're so invested they're combing over your work. And you're giving them what they want. I don't know why there's this mortal terror over it, so much so that a lot of stories degenerate into nonsense just to throw them off. Your fans figuring things out shows how invested they are. They feel like they're a part of the process. You're not upsetting them, you're pleasing them.

This whole snobbery of "I'm better than these plebs I'm writing for" is so fucking old, and I think that's a big part of it.
 
Twitter is in a shitstorm right now over this. Like 80% of people are upset and 20% are the same people who would praise it no matter what happened, but the majority of the fans are fucking pissed off. I am too, like it could have have some sort of redemption as a story if not for the dynamite shit. How will the last two chapters of this train wreck go, I keep wondering.
 
I'm just so relieved that people actually hate this shit. I was so worried that they'd actually like it. I'm glad to see there's still some common sense left in this world.
Yeah, if there's not something major in the next two chapters, he's going down as a hack. I've been reading the hilarious memes on 4chan and nobody, absolutely nobody is defending it. And 4chan used to suck its dick a lot.

Honestly, as a writer and storyteller I just don't see how this even works. I just can't see how you get to this point. Normally, when you have a living God or some shit like this, you have to get the McGuffin to stop him. Not just using regular old explosives, having dead cast members come back to life to help, what sort of hippy dippy bullshit is this? Armin convincing Zeke to just kill himself because he sees a leaf is a fucking baseball after they build a sandcastle together in another dimension. After maybe barely interacting for the entire story he decides to just get his fucking head cut off.

It is so mind bendingly retarded, so stupid, it is beyond my understanding. I'm not even mad or disappointed, I'm just straight up confused. There's no major deaths, no sacrifices. I mean, if there's no twist, and its highly likely with 2 chapters to go there's not one, its going to be some shitty monologue from Eren, the wind down of the battle and the last chapter will be the epilogue.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. There's literally nothing good about it. It isn't consistent with any of the rules the story established, its tone is wildly different, the fight itself is boring, things inexplicably happen that just go the alliance's way because they are supposed to win, the art is still bad, the dialogue terrible, characters motives suddenly change for no explicit or even implied reason. It is objectively bad on every metric. Its made even worse that its one of the last chapters. Even if this was some sort of ruse, it was a complete waste. Which I honestly don't think it is.

The only reason for this is he straight up does not give a shit anymore. I don't care what he says in interviews, this chapter just shows he absolutely does not care and just wants this to end. Why would anyone want to read anything by him ever again?
 
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