Bayonetta 3 - What Moon themed song they gonna pick this time

[Jonah Hill poster]

At first, I thought this was a joke, but Hellena Taylor must clearly know that you can’t force fans to boycott a woman that’s been a coomer wet dream since 2015. Much like the recent Kirby game that came out months ago, Bayonetta 3 is still going to sell hot cakes, especially when you count overseas.

 

[Dr. Pasquale]

I'll miss Helena, she made a lot of the memorable lines special with her delivery.

TIME TO GO VROOOOOOM

 

[Aib Ld]

$4,000 is a ridiculously low amount

Seems like it's not, that is how she was supposed to be paid. Union rates adds up to $4000.

 

[gata]

Whatever the awful mess this drama is, i still think Helena is bayo and Jen Hale is so overused.
and to the people being angry and dismissive of voice actors never really think of the amount of takes and voice lines they have to do, vocal cords are muscles that can get injured too when used too much. A good voice actor can elevate the work than a shitty fanimation anime tier acting.
I know that made me sound like I'm defending Helena for being a retarded entitled bitch but I still think voice actors get the short end of the stick in most works. like what happened with the VA of Niko from GTA4 who did motion capture and voicelines for 15 months yet didn't get the payment he deserved (100,000 dollars for 15 months btw)
I also hate the shitty take of "this is why they hire actual actors now" as if hollywood actors aren't as entitled, super fucking expensive and bad at voice acting (Chris Pratts meh delivery compared to Jack Blacks experience with voice acting in the mario trailer) as VAs people bitch about.

 

[NoReturn]

i still think Helena is bayo and Jen Hale is so overused.

Still not as bad as Tara Strong.

A good voice actor can elevate the work than a shitty fanimation anime tier acting.

Meanwhile their union/guild or whatever means that people who are non-members can get replaced, regardless of skill level or involvement in the original project.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

I'm not sure how voice actors work nearly as much as the actual devs who spend years on making the games. Unless they're constantly going in for voicing characters, they're really not doing much.

Which is a big part of what’s making me think there’s something else at play. Taylor has almost no credits aside from some anime over a decade ago, some bit/extra shit for British TV, and the times Bayo has shown up; whereas the other VAs are all very prolific. Is she annoying to work with behind closed doors?

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

• No evidence
• Jenefier costs far more than she does
• This suddenly pops up two weeks from the game's release, instead of when the game is announced
• Hellena was without work for 8 YEARS, meaning she didn't make herself more desirable with more VA roles or shes insufferable to work with

Something is not adding up. Hellena broke her own NDA, so she can add proof. But she didn't add it, as an extra punch to whatever she's trying to do. The lawsuits are going to be huge if she's lying.

It is some weird shit. These game companies, particularly Square Enix, have been shifting towards using British theatre actors as opposed to American voice actors since they're cheaper and easier to deal with (see Babylon's Fall, The DioField Chronicle, Valkyrie Elysium, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Final Fantasy XIV, etc.). But, this looks like it's going the opposite way.

Maybe Jennifer Hale had accepted doing it for less money. I'm sure she wasn't paid that much for something like the No More Heroes series. Voice actors really didn't get paid that much twenty years or so ago for their work.

western videogame VAs want hollywood super stars salaries.
The entitlement is off the charts lol

Maybe so. Even Mignogna stated that pay was low occasionally. People don't watch an animated show, an animated movie or play a video game because a certain person voices a certain characters. Voice actors are even more replaceable than live-action actors.

That being said, strange that Hale would take it considering she was one of the headliners of the pointless VA strike with Sellout Baker,, etc so if they offered her more than Helena that's really shitty.

Considering that the strike indirectly led to these big-time voice actors getting less work now, I wouldn't be suprised if Hale is just picking for opportunities now. Look at Steve Blum and his IMDB page. He hasn't been in anything with at least a little bit of interest this year.

>No physical work

In all fairness, some voice actors occasionally do motion capture work. This doesn't change the situation that much, though.

I'm not sure how voice actors work nearly as much as the actual devs who spend years on making the games. Unless they're constantly going in for voicing characters, they're really not doing much.

In a podcast, Helena had said that the recording for Bayonetta 1 took 4 days, with 4 hour shifts each. Under the assumption that Bayo 3 would entail the same amount of time, I'd say 4K is pretty damn good. Just sounds like entitlement across the entire profession to me.

Recording sessions for these roles are relatively short. Blum mentioned at one point that his role as Verstael Besithia in Final Fantasy XV only took him two hours.

I wouldn't even get paid $80 if I worked for two hours at my current job.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Demo stuff

Spoiler

• Reiterates that the reason for the wait was because they crammed in even more content compared to previous games
• Kamiya states story kicks off not too long after the events of Bayo2
• Demo GI was shown picks up soon after the game's prologue, with Cereza, Jeanne and Enzo at Rodin's place
• Something "big" is going down, Rodin insures the Gates of Hell can hold up for a "little while"
• Viola then busts in, knows our two resident witches who, of course, don't know her; prompts explanation of the multiverse by Rodin
• There's more story/lore snippets to be had, but you can hunt down the article yourself if you want to peep
• Demon Masquerade was implemented to show how much Bayonetta's powers have grown, which is why they've wholly replaced Beast Within
• Demon Slaves have additional effects that can be triggered through Witch Time; for example, Madama Butterfly can blow kisses that can "charm" enemies to fight for you
• Demons, for all their power, also carry a risk; as they take damage, their "anger gauge" increases
• At Max Anger, Bayonetta loses control of her summon to a "Demon Rampage", where they will attack any and everything in their way
• Demons can also be "killed" in battle, rendering them inoperable for a time
• Main currency this time is Embryos, acquired from Homunculi
• Halos are now acquired through "special means" (my guess, through special verses, where Angels are located, if that post-Direct vid is anything to go by)
• No more running back and forth to Rodin's every time you want to upgrade! We now have Skill Trees we can access from the pause menu at any time, to spend Embryos!
• Demons have their OWN Skill Trees, as well, to unlock and enhance Slave and Masquerade abilities
• As a result, this game has a LOT more abilities to unlock compared to the previous games
• Unfortunately, in effort to not overwhelm newbies, this also means things like Torture Attacks are not unlocked by default
• They insure vets that they won't have to wait long to unlock Torture Attacks and other things we're used to
• Umbra Tears are BACK; this time, it's not just crows, as you can find cats and frogs, too
• Finding all Tears in a stage unlocks a secret, challenging "bonus level", where "familiar faces" appear and "mystery items" are the reward
• At the edges of each stage is a fog called "Eraser", representing the instability of the multiverse; touching it damages Bayo
• Viola doesn't blow a kiss when she clears an area, like Bayo, she throws up devil horns!
• But despite her edginess, Viola is still portrayed as an upstart, compared to Bayo
• Apparently, Viola will mainly (only?) use her katana and throwing darts
• However, her overall playstyle emphasizes more raw power compared to Bayo's
• Holding the attack buttons will charge up her swings
• Throwing darts are infinite, but require a bit more finesse compared to Bayo's guns
• Cheshire, Viola's Demon, utilizes her katana to summon; Viola loses it while Cheshire is in play
• Cheshire can NOT be controlled, but you still have full control of Viola
• Viola will fight bare-handed in the meanwhile!
• Viola triggers Witch Time by blocking in the nick of time, instead of dodging.
• You have to press R to use a block, she can still dodge, though
• As a result, Witch Time timing is bit more forgiving for Viola
• No Wicked Weaves for Viola, has her own skill tree
• More than 10 times the amount of skills compared to previous games
• Kamiya says the initial teaser from 2017 will be fun for players to revisit after playing the game
• Levels are now bigger and more involved, with more secrets, paths to take and interactions through Infernal Demon/Demon Masquerade usage
• There is a hub island valled 'Thule' that acts as a junction point used for travelling between multiverses
• Performance seemed solid in the demo
• Only problem the person previewing the game had was constant camera adjustment while summoning demons

Also apparently Jeanne fights with you praise Jesus God Buddha

I hate to say this but again, Helena has admitted she suffers from mental issues. So she is unfortunately asking for too much. She would have been paid the same amount and 4K is not as bad as it seems BUT from what I have seen she has worked since 2014. She does a lot of stage work and theatre.

 

[I Love Beef]

Whatever the awful mess this drama is, i still think Helena is bayo and Jen Hale is so overused.
and to the people being angry and dismissive of voice actors never really think of the amount of takes and voice lines they have to do, vocal cords are muscles that can get injured too when used too much. A good voice actor can elevate the work than a shitty fanimation anime tier acting.
I know that made me sound like I'm defending Helena for being a retarded entitled bitch but I still think voice actors get the short end of the stick in most works. like what happened with the VA of Niko from GTA4 who did motion capture and voicelines for 15 months yet didn't get the payment he deserved (100,000 dollars for 15 months btw)
I also hate the shitty take of "this is why they hire actual actors now" as if hollywood actors aren't as entitled, super fucking expensive and bad at voice acting (Chris Pratts meh delivery compared to Jack Blacks experience with voice acting in the mario trailer) as VAs people bitch about.

No, you're right on point. Aside from how Japan is a bountiful sea of anime and video games in general, they are that specialized in vocal training for singers and voice actors compared to the States.

In comparison, in the US, live acting is generally the mainstay while voice actors are generally chosen 100% out of born talent. Compared to Japan, voice training to allow potential voice actors to achieve their optimal abilities along with that potential work availability is practically non existent.

Fucking sucks Helena isn't coming back. It's almost enough to make me not want to get 3 now.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

No, you're right on point. Aside from how Japan is a bountiful sea of anime and video games in general, they are that specialized in vocal training for singers and voice actors compared to the States.

In comparison, in the US, live acting is generally the mainstay while voice actors are generally chosen 100% out of born talent. Compared to Japan, voice training to allow potential voice actors to achieve their optimal abilities along with that potential work availability is practically non existent.

Fucking sucks Helena isn't coming back. It's almost enough to make me not want to get 3 now.

Nevermind that a good portion of the American voice over actors are born in California, specifically Los Angeles, followed by New York City and Dallas. That's a big advantage right there.

 

[BelUwUga]

To also play devil’s advocate: we don’t know what she was paid for the previous games (and this isn’t quite the same issue that it’d be with Devil May Cry in that the english VAs also did motion capture for the games), it’s probably not long enough to justify more than a week or two in a recording booth, and she has next to no voice credits to her name other than bayo for in the span of 10 years whereas Grey Delisle, Yuri Lowenthal, and Dave Fennoy are all very active and thus probably bang this kind of shit out regularly and have more bargaining power.

$4000 could be a perfectly reasonable rate depending on the time investment.

I actually remember a Vtuber/Vocalloid person sperging about VA work on stream. SAG rate is $210/hr. It's per "finished hour" which isn't quite edited-down time but expect the VA to be in the booth working/ready to work. From her telling for something like a named (non-MC) character in an anime, recording for an entire season is an hour. Not "averages an hour" but SAG only lets you bill in whole-hour increments and the work is down much faster than an hour.

Assuming union rates for VA work in vidya is generous. Another good quick comparison would be recording vs. what you leave on the cutting room floor. Generally you record 10 hours raw for 1 hour of finished content. So unless Bayonetta talks for nearly two hours that $4K was a pretty solid deal.

 

[stupid frog]

See this woman?
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This is Mary Elizabeth McGlynn and she's the reason why the English dub of Cowboy Bebop is so good.
And you wanna know why?
It's because she was an industry outsider. At the time Bebop came out, other studios had an idea of how anime "should" be dubbed and how the English voices "should" sound, but McGlynn directed it like she would have directed a live-action show, and it was all the better for it.

Too bad she's also a cunt.

 

[FatMebius]

I don't mind Hale, but Taylor's voice is way sexier and really fits the vibe of the character more. I wasn't probably going to get Bayonetta 3 at launch anyways since I didn't like Bayo's new look or that kinda obnoxious looking girlboss dyke chick. But, I dunno. It's weird seeing Platinum cheap out. Especially since they kept the rest of the cast.

I'm laughing at all the cocksuckers out there who are all the sudden very pro-corporations doing shitty moves like stiffing people when it's a heckin' basedarino Nintendo adjacent game.

Also: Bayonetta's look in 1 > Her look in 2. She looked like Sarah Palin in cosplay gear and that is too fine.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I am probably going to reserve my judgment about this game. It sucks that my hype for it has dwindled tremendously with this recent bit of news.

However if the game turns out to be good, I'll probably just buy this used or pirate it

 

[Tanner Glass]

I don't mind Hale, but Taylor's voice is way sexier and really fits the vibe of the character more. I wasn't probably going to get Bayonetta 3 at launch anyways since I didn't like Bayo's new look or that kinda obnoxious looking girlboss dyke chick. But, I dunno. It's weird seeing Platinum cheap out. Especially since they kept the rest of the cast.

I'm laughing at all the cocksuckers out there who are all the sudden very pro-corporations doing shitty moves like stiffing people when it's a heckin' basedarino Nintendo adjacent game.

Also: Bayonetta's look in 1 > Her look in 2. She looked like Sarah Palin in cosplay gear and that is too fine.

If she's in a union and signed a contract - Platinum can't do much about it.

"Hey break your union contract, scab, get us both blackballed so we can give you more money". It's sad she thinks she outgrew union rates but that's not Platinum's business.

 

[FatMebius]

I'd pay to have that Elevator Action part as a separate game though. A month or so ago, a buddy and I were just talking about how cool as shit Elevator Action 2 is.

 

[Half Empty]

What I can't figure out is what Hellena meant by "decent living wage." I mean this is a single gig for a franchise that has been motionless since 2014. Yeah it's shitty that Hellena lost (I guess???) her only job but it's also kind of shitty to ask fans to boycott a game that they've been waiting on for 8 years. This whole situation is shitty. But then again people like games for the game play not the voice actors, right? I know the humor and dialogue are a big part of the franchise but the combat and over-the-top action are the main attractions.

Also, isn't Bayonetta relatively obscure? Hellena isn't exactly Charles Martinet you know. Before Smash 4 and Bayo 2 everyone I know dismissed the game as gimmicky coomer bait rather than the "DMC-like but Dante is gril" that I tried to tell them it was.

To be honest, I'm skeptical that the majority of people even knew who Hellena Taylor was before this drama - not talking about (you).
No doubt the Womxn™ who like the idea of Bayonetta but haven't actually played the game (and the """"women""" who have) are shitting up the internet with performative outrage as I type this. After all this drama is a great opportunity to grandstand and espouse the particularly retarded brand of feminism that's popular with unenrolled mental patients these days.

 

[Cat tit bingo]

There only one sane solution to this mess. Cancel everything and push every effort into the game that need to be made the most.

Give me my nova prime game you Slanty Eyed Fucks! I don't fucking care that it's combiner war designs from 8 years ago just give it to me you cunts. If you can't get the license make it daiclone or machine robo just do it.

 

[Elite Miko]

Yeah, I ain't boycotting shit. That sounds very retarded.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Which is a big part of what’s making me think there’s something else at play. Taylor has almost no credits aside from some anime over a decade ago, some bit/extra shit for British TV, and the times Bayo has shown up; whereas the other VAs are all very prolific. Is she annoying to work with behind closed doors?

Considering how cliquey voice actors are (See what happened to Vic), I wouldn't be surprised if they latched onto something small they didn't like about her and used it as an excuse to keep her out of the local VA pool. For a bunch of people who want unions and a fair wage, VAs are a bunch of back stabbing cunts.