Better Call Saul

Gus wasn't directly hiring kids-his dealers were. So it was much further down the chain than him. Funny thing is Walt is repeatedly warned/treated as a bad investment-Mike tells Saul to ignore him, Gus doesn't want to do business after he fucks up the first meeting, and the Salamancas don't even understand why Gus is shielding walt from their retaliation.
Much further down the chain? He literally meets with the guys who hire the kid dealers and kid assassins. In his own office in open view. He is literally one step or even less than that from being directly connected to child soldiers and drug dealers. The guys who hired the kids have direct access to Gus at one of his corporate offices. They were not bottom of the chain at all. If they were they would not even know that Gus was involved in drugs period. Gus refuses to meet with Jesse because Jesse is a junkie. Yet the same Gus is meeting with tattooed cartel hitters in plain view at a corporate owned office that could expose him in a million ways.

Gus also walks through the meth lab multiple times on camera. Slits a guy's throat. Goes to Gale's apartment like an idiot. He took huge risks constantly. He was reckless and careless in BB. Gus is like the serial killer that can't stop sending messages to the newspapers and the FBI because deep down he wants to get caught.
Really Walt is a poor criminal-despite better criminals be willing to take a chance on him and explain to him how to operate-Walt just refuses to play along with Gus, doesn't listen to Mike's counsel, mostly because Mike is paying off Gus's guys-somehow forgetting that if they blab, he goes down like everyone else.
Mike and Gus are idiots. If Walt listens to Mike then everyone goes to jail. All it takes is one guy to talk to the DEA or FBI and they are done. Mike himself opens himself up to a massive investigation by putting his money in a bank account under his granddaughter's name that Gus was tied to. Mike's guys were beyond compromised. Saul was right. Kill Badger. Walt handled things directly by taking out the loose ends. Walt wins in the end and even gets the money to his family. Gus dies to a Salamanca. Mike dies penniless and alone like a total moron.

And Walt is a genius criminal. He makes millions and gets it to his family. He destroys three cartels almost by himself. He makes the purest meth in history. All while suffering from cancer. Walt basically takes down the last of the Salamancas, Gus's cartel, and the Nazis without help. Makes millions doing it. And leaves it all to his family.
As for "being the man"-Gus, Walt, and Hank all have this. Gus has to be there to see Hector die, Hank has to be the law man who brings down his evil brother-in-law, and Walt has to run his own empire despite his marriage collapsing and lacking the infrastructure for it-they literally are cooking in people's houses, under disguise.
Only Gus and Hank are like that. Walt relies on Skinny Pete and Badger to help him intimidate the Schwarz family. And he relies on both his wife and Saul with parts of his operation. Walt also tried to rely on Gale, Lydia, Gus, Jesse, and Mike until they became useless.
Walt doesn't have anyone loyal to him, but Jesse-he just makes associates, Lydia, Jack's gang, Mike, Todd-all of whom turn on him. The instability of this arrangement never seems to occur to him.
Walt's wife is so loyal that she overlooks Walt's entire crime operation to get those millions. She was willing accomplice to the end.
 
Much further down the chain? He literally meets with the guys who hire the kid dealers and kid assassins. In his own office in open view. He is literally one step or even less than that from being directly connected to child soldiers and drug dealers. The guys who hired the kids have direct access to Gus at one of his corporate offices. They were not bottom of the chain at all.
There's conflict between Jesse and the dealers over the kid, and the fact Jesse realizes the kid killed his gangbanger friend Combo. Gus intervenes because well your subordinates throwing down is going to cause loads of problems-he tells them to "make peace". Obviously, they don't, but Gus did have something of an interest in resolving the beef. And it wouldn't be as if these dealers were directly talking to Gus most of the time-at most Victor or Tyrus, or some other lieutenant. So that's "down the chain".

Gus also walks through the meth lab multiple times on camera. Slits a guy's throat. Goes to Gale's apartment like an idiot. He took huge risks constantly. He was reckless and careless in BB. Gus is like the serial killer that can't stop sending messages to the newspapers and the FBI because deep down he wants to get caught.
Going to Gale's apartment should have been a non problem, it was Jesse that went on Walt's orders and killed him. Which drew attention to Gus, something that would never have happened if Walt had never been hired in the first place, or if Walt had felt he needed to force Gus's hand by getting rid of a potential replacement. Same principle for the meth lab, and killing Vector. This is a man who fooled the ABQ DEA Chief. So much so he was forced to retire, who was on a hospital board, attended charity events, basically the "model minority" "pillar of the community" archetype as a conscious front. Gus even convinces most of the DEA he wasn't involved in Gale's death, but Hank has that cop intuition we always see on TV instead of being satisfied with the explanation given.

Mike and Gus are idiots. If Walt listens to Mike then everyone goes to jail. All it takes is one guy to talk to the DEA or FBI and they are done. Mike himself opens himself up to a massive investigation by putting his money in a bank account under his granddaughter's name that Gus was tied to. Mike's guys were beyond compromised. Saul was right. Kill Badger. Walt handled things directly by taking out the loose ends. Walt wins in the end and even gets the money to his family. Gus dies to a Salamanca. Mike dies penniless and alone like a total moron.
Paying off those guys was done both as an act of loyalty-they were solid men who did what they were told, and a way to prevent the government from pushing leverage over them-"talk and you get out sooner"-the money was to their families, "serve your time, keep your mouth shut, and we will ensure your family is taken care of". Mike does this because it prevents rats and he has a sentiment/feeling that loyalty shouldn't be casually betrayed. Obviously, it risked exposure, but that was due to Hank pushing the issue, over any inclination of the DEA to pursue Heisenberg. Walt killing them prevented them from talking yes, but it also made it clear beyond any doubt Heisenberg was still alive. There was no indication any of them were going to talk until Mike was gone.

And Walt is a genius criminal. He makes millions and gets it to his family. He destroys three cartels almost by himself. He makes the purest meth in history. All while suffering from cancer. Walt basically takes down the last of the Salamancas, Gus's cartel, and the Nazis without help. Makes millions doing it. And leaves it all to his family.

Walt gets some of the money, most of it is in a barrel in the desert somewhere. His wife is in poverty by the end of the show, and he has to force the Schwartzes to pay for Junior's college. No way are they walking off with millions of dollars. At best his children have their education paid for. Gus took out the Salamancas, Hector was already dead-Walt used his desire for vengeance as a last act against Fring. Taking down Gus Fring I'll grant, but not the Salamancas, the nazi gang I'll grant as well-its sheer luck though he could dive for his keys, he beat Jack's gang through bluster and using Jack's criminal code/honor against him. Jack not shooting him after killing Hank and taking all the money(allowing Walt to pay for the trip to New hampshire and back and the m60 was not due to anything on his part).


Walt wins insofar as he never sees the inside of a jail cell, his family will collect some of the money, and Jesse escapes. He doesn't die in a comfortable bed a multi millionaire.

Walt is not an idiot, but he if he had not been attached to Jesse and been willing to work under Gus's thumb-he could have left his family actual millions, died quietly and peacefully and not salvaged the situation by the barest of margins. Walt is cunning, resourceful, and very good at what he does, he also causes most of his own problems. Many of which involve not disposing of Jesse because he's a tard Walter has to constantly wrangle.

Only Gus and Hank are like that. Walt relies on Skinny Pete and Badger to help him intimidate the Schwarz family. And he relies on both his wife and Saul with parts of his operation. Walt also tried to rely on Gale, Lydia, Gus, Jesse, and Mike until they became useless.
Intimidating the Schwarzes was a gamble, just like the bomb going off with Hector was a gamble, just like trying to hope Jack wouldn't just shoot him long enough for Jesse to be brought out and walt to snatch his keys-obviously you need some luck, but Walt relies a lot on plans going off without a hitch or people acting in a certain way. When they don't (e.g., Jack showing up anyway) things go to shit.

Walt's wife is so loyal that she overlooks Walt's entire crime operation to get those millions. She was willing accomplice to the end.
You mean the same woman who bitches nonstop, demands the kids be sent away and they are for months or weeks at least, walks into a pool, and gives him grief about his work?

Walter White's biggest blindsides are his failure to understand the motives of other people he works with. Walter can only think of his own self-interest, he can't imagine why Gus would be furious with killing Gale, or why Mike just won't let him run everything or why Jack has every incentive to kill Hank. At one point he says something to the effect of "if I could just find the right word combination" I think when speaking about Gus, trying to convince him of something. Which speaks to his chemistry background-the right ingredients produce the right reaction. Sometimes this works, it often did not. Walt then acts blindsided when other actors fail to operate the way they ought to(whatever is best for Walter).
 
Has anybody mentioned yet how BCS finished during probably the darkest (so far...) time in Hollywood/MSM/Etc. history? Of course Jimmy Saul has to do a faggot cuck move at the last minute. All the women in that season are strong and upset about [mad lib here], all the (white) men are bitches. I'm surprised at just how decent most of the content was given the Clown World climate. It could have been better but it could have been A LOT worse. Imagine if Troonflix had been producing...
 
Has anybody mentioned yet how BCS finished during probably the darkest (so far...) time in Hollywood/MSM/Etc. history? Of course Jimmy Saul has to do a faggot cuck move at the last minute. All the women in that season are strong and upset about [mad lib here], all the (white) men are bitches. I'm surprised at just how decent most of the content was given the Clown World climate. It could have been better but it could have been A LOT worse. Imagine if Troonflix had been producing...
Yeah it didn't really work that well or made much sense. Whenever I think about that series its not the awesome first seasons, its the botched final season. They did it all on very short notice though, so its less Hollywood cucking out and more just having to deal with Bob's heart drowning and Jeff's actor getting replaced.
 
Has anybody mentioned yet how BCS finished during probably the darkest (so far...) time in Hollywood/MSM/Etc. history? Of course Jimmy Saul has to do a faggot cuck move at the last minute. All the women in that season are strong and upset about [mad lib here], all the (white) men are bitches. I'm surprised at just how decent most of the content was given the Clown World climate. It could have been better but it could have been A LOT worse. Imagine if Troonflix had been producing...
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Has anybody mentioned yet how BCS finished during probably the darkest (so far...) time in Hollywood/MSM/Etc. history? Of course Jimmy Saul has to do a faggot cuck move at the last minute. All the women in that season are strong and upset about [mad lib here], all the (white) men are bitches. I'm surprised at just how decent most of the content was given the Clown World climate. It could have been better but it could have been A LOT worse. Imagine if Troonflix had been producing...
There's so much terrible shit in the last season, and you chose to be upset about a problem that exists only in your schizo head?
 
Has anybody mentioned yet how BCS finished during probably the darkest (so far...) time in Hollywood/MSM/Etc. history? Of course Jimmy Saul has to do a faggot cuck move at the last minute. All the women in that season are strong and upset about [mad lib here], all the (white) men are bitches. I'm surprised at just how decent most of the content was given the Clown World climate. It could have been better but it could have been A LOT worse. Imagine if Troonflix had been producing...
 
I didn't mean to sperg if i did, but BTC's filler episodes and stupid later shit just pissed me off .

I binged BB a few years after it was already done, so it was easy to deal with shit episodes and characters and still enjoy the good stuff. Starting at S2, I was watching BTC as it aired and the "slow burn" was annoying and only got worse due to massive delays because of *muh pandemic* and then the woke retard tidal wave (and then Bob's heart attack).

There is much more to sperg out about but I am too tired to sperg any more. But to all you fellow dickbag spergs that call out a sperg, er "schitzo"...


P.S. I love Kiwi Farms and all you retard faggots,.
 
Has anybody mentioned yet how BCS finished during probably the darkest (so far...) time in Hollywood/MSM/Etc. history? Of course Jimmy Saul has to do a faggot cuck move at the last minute.
I don't think it was actually intended to be a faggot cuck move. I think Jimmy just actually wanted to take responsibility for what an evil bastard he'd been. Isn't taking responsibility good?

That said, it did come across as a faggot cuck move.
 
I didn't mean to sperg if i did, but BTC's filler episodes and stupid later shit just pissed me off .

I binged BB a few years after it was already done, so it was easy to deal with shit episodes and characters and still enjoy the good stuff. Starting at S2, I was watching BTC as it aired and the "slow burn" was annoying and only got worse due to massive delays because of *muh pandemic* and then the woke retard tidal wave (and then Bob's heart attack).

There is much more to sperg out about but I am too tired to sperg any more. But to all you fellow dickbag spergs that call out a sperg, er "schitzo"...


P.S. I love Kiwi Farms and all you retard faggots,.
I may have jumped the gun immaturely and I want to apologize.
 
I didn't mean to sperg if i did, but BTC's filler episodes and stupid later shit just pissed me off .

I binged BB a few years after it was already done, so it was easy to deal with shit episodes and characters and still enjoy the good stuff. Starting at S2, I was watching BTC as it aired and the "slow burn" was annoying and only got worse due to massive delays because of *muh pandemic* and then the woke retard tidal wave (and then Bob's heart attack).

There is much more to sperg out about but I am too tired to sperg any more. But to all you fellow dickbag spergs that call out a sperg, er "schitzo"...


P.S. I love Kiwi Farms and all you retard faggots,.
The plot was advancing at a pretty steady pace. I dont know what's the matter with people hating on the show for being slow. BB was way too fucking fast if anything, the first few seasons had a good rhythm but the ending rushed all the cum out. BCS at least did it on its last season.
 
It's been nearly a year now since the final season ended. One unresolved/ambiguous point, though, is something that happens in the cold open to Quite A Ride (S4E5); the one set during the events of Breaking Bad when he's about to go into hiding. He hands Francesca the card of a lawyer and says 'tell em'...Jimmy sent you'. Not sure who's card it was. When it originally aired, and I was still speculating about what would happen in the show, I thought it was going to eventually be revealed it belonged to either Kim or Howard, but since neither of those were possible, the only people I can narrow it down to are Cliff Main or Rich Schweikart. I know it's not Bill Oakley, because he was a district attorney (switching to being a PD presumably sometime after Jimmy/Saul left for Nebraska). In my mind, I like to imagine it's Omar from season 2, his assistant when he briefly worked at Davis & Main, who always seemed to like Jimmy despite airing the ad without permission and getting himself fired to start his own firm. But realistically, it could be anyone.
 
It's been nearly a year now since the final season ended. One unresolved/ambiguous point, though, is something that happens in the cold open to Quite A Ride (S4E5); the one set during the events of Breaking Bad when he's about to go into hiding. He hands Francesca the card of a lawyer and says 'tell em'...Jimmy sent you'. Not sure who's card it was. When it originally aired, and I was still speculating about what would happen in the show, I thought it was going to eventually be revealed it belonged to either Kim or Howard, but since neither of those were possible, the only people I can narrow it down to are Cliff Main or Rich Schweikart. I know it's not Bill Oakley, because he was a district attorney (switching to being a PD presumably sometime after Jimmy/Saul left for Nebraska). In my mind, I like to imagine it's Omar from season 2, his assistant when he briefly worked at Davis & Main, who always seemed to like Jimmy despite airing the ad without permission and getting himself fired to start his own firm. But realistically, it could be anyone.
It's probably Ernie.
 
He hands Francesca the card of a lawyer and says 'tell em'...Jimmy sent you'. Not sure who's card it was. When it originally aired, and I was still speculating about what would happen in the show, I thought it was going to eventually be revealed it belonged to either Kim or Howard, but since neither of those were possible, the only people I can narrow it down to are Cliff Main or Rich Schweikart.

It's like the writers completely forgot about that scene. There's also the box of diamonds he fetches out of the wall, but the big payoff for that is that he drops them in the dumpster during the final episode and makes a bunch of noise so the cops can find him. Then there's the bit where he tells Francesca to go to a specific pay phone on a specific date at a specific time to receive a phone call, then in the final season it's revealed that the reason Saul asked her to do that is so he could call her and ask her for updates on the situation in New Mexico. She even mocks him for needing an elaborate set up just to do that. "You don't have the internet where you live?"

As for whose business card that was-

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I think he's actually usually pretty good about character consistency, you just don't always know the character and they aren't usually what they seem to be at first. Look at Howard Hamlin. He started out as looking like a snaky corporate lawyer douchebag, and while this was part of his character, he was actually a lot more than that, too, part of why just killing him summarily was such a brutal thing to see, and why Kim and Saul fucking with him the way they were got increasingly disgusting, especially when it was clear they had no real motive other than pure sadism.

Similarly, we started out looking at Kim like she was some white knight paladin character getting sucked into a web of increasing degeneracy by Jimmy. Meanwhile she actually literally grew up on that shit. It wasn't Jimmy corrupting her, she was just reverting to form.

Walter White is actually the best example of this because if you go through the show a second time (which is well worth the hours), you see that everything that came through later was there all along. He didn't "break bad," he was always bad, just too cucked to pull the trigger.

I also actually liked Marie a lot as the show went on. She started out as a classic just BPD psycho klepto cunt with a whole shopping list full of cluster B shit to her, but when Hank got shot, she nursed him back to health and was incredibly patient with him even while he was acting like a dick and an angry manbaby. Crazy bitches be loyal yo.

And seriously, Jesse doing stupid stuff being out of character? That was his character. He was smarter than he let on, but he'd have to be really stupid to be that dumb.

Another character you could probably accuse of this was Mike, who died doing the dumbest fucking thing it was possible to do in that show, pissing off Walter White and then turning his back on him. It was really consistent, though. He had such absolute contempt for Walt that he had repeatedly underestimated him. Seriously, thinking a zip-tie would stop the Lex Luthor of meth? Dragging him to an underground lab to kill him and then putting a cell phone in his hand? Even just the very first encounter, thinking Walt wouldn't find his bugs?

That said, he's consistent in routinely underestimating Walt, that's literally what got him killed. Ironically, I'm pretty sure if Walt had gone into that encounter planning on killing Mike, Mike would have figured it out and killed him instead, but instead Walt flipped out like an unstable nutcase and committed a completely unnecessary murder. That's ironic because that's exactly the criticism Mike had of him, that he was an unstable nutcase who blew shit up out of pure ego.

That said the ending of BCS was unsatisfying because I don't see Jimmy as the sort to blow up his own life just to be a simp, and I don't see Kim as the sort to go marry some schlub to punish herself for being the equally-as-bad-as-Jimmy bitch she is.
I hated Mike's death but Better Call Saul has somewhat redeemed it by putting Mike's attitude towards Walt into a context where Mike/Gus had a good thing in terms of criminal enterprise up and running, which Walt completely and utterly destroyed like a Hurricane the second he came into Gus's life.

Outside the dude from Scarface, Gus had successfully slain the bulk of his enemies and was on top of the world. Mike was his major domo and everything was going smoothly. There was nothing to worry about and then Gus made the mistake of meeting Walt White, who gave no fucks and withing a matter of months, essentially burnt the entire operation to the ground because fuck you, I do what I want. And Mike barely survived the collapse and aligned himself with Walt, purely out of self-preservation and to salvage what he could from the wreckage only to once again, get destroyed because Walt was all "fuck you, I do what I want".

Mike truly and utterly underestimated Walt's sociopathy and the fact that Walt didn't care about anything but himself, his family as an abstract concept, and keeping Jesse under his thumb in an abusive relationship where Walt might as well have been fucking Jesse given how hard Walt was mindfucking him.

In that regards, Walt was both karma for Gus and Mike for their hubris over their success in organized crime/the drug trade and a sort of reminder that you fucking vet your collaborators in your criminal conspiracies, kill them the moment they get uppity and start stirring up shit and thinking they can replace you, and never underestimate the imagination that an enemy can have in thinking up ways to fuck your shit up, that comes from outside your world of crime due to the outsider not being bound by a lot of the nicities that most gangster tacitly abide by even when they are backstabbing each other.
 
the outsider not being bound by a lot of the nicities that most gangster tacitly abide by even when they are backstabbing each other.
It was more that Walter approached crime like it was a gangster movie. Drug deals in scrapyards, wearing shades and a hat in public places, expecting things yet not doing them, and thinking things would always work his way. Saul and Mike say it best: they're terrible criminals. They didn't expect Walt to be that much of a fuck up. He's like Squat Cobbler on a massive scale.

Walt kept expecting Mike to thank him, which isn't at all something you expect from a partner or even an employee. It was petty bullshit. By the end, Mike's more than had it. His conclusion about Walter was right from the very beginning to the end: he was a ticking time bomb. Nothing he built would last long because it was too personal for him. Walt wanted to be the big man despite not having what it takes to hold that position. He killed the guy who did.
 
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