Business Big Tech Layoffs Megathread - Techbros... we got too cocky...

Since my previous thread kinda-sorta turned into a soft megathread, and the tech layoffs will continue until morale improves, I think it's better to group them all together.

For those who want a QRD:


Just this week we've had these going on:

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But it's not just Big Tech, the vidya industry is also cleaning house bigly:

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All in all, rough seas ahead for the techbros.
 
I know a whole bunch of people in the bay area and seattle that were laid off from google early last year that are still unemployed.
Many of these are very experienced swe with >10 years of experience.

X, the special projects group at google, had some layoffs last week but everyone that remained were basically told "find a market fit for the project or else". So more layoffs coming there. I expect all ox X development labs to be shuttered quite soon.

It is so fucking bad that people that had borderline TDS spontaneously tell me they will vote for Trump. No question, no hesitation, they will 100% vote for trump.
That is how bad it is. People that were reeeeing about lgbt deathcamps and not my president are now openly saying they will vote for him.


Brace position: Bidenomics seems to hit the tech sector full force this year.
If you're a developer with 10 years of track record at Google you can absolutely find a job. Just not one that pays exorbitant ridiculous salaries. A principal/staff software engineer in Texas for example can expect around $180k-$220k salary at any normal non batshit company. Even in 2024. There are plenty of these jobs.
 
If you're a developer with 10 years of track record at Google you can absolutely find a job. Just not one that pays exorbitant ridiculous salaries. A principal/staff software engineer in Texas for example can expect around $180k-$220k salary at any normal non batshit company. Even in 2024. There are plenty of these jobs.
That's a 50% pay cut from their current position, and doesn't include free breakfast, lunch, and happy ending massages.
 
Can also confirm this from what I've seen/overheard in a (minor power level) series B startup. Non-technical roles are the major hit, particularly recruiters and marketing positions. Dev layoffs anecdotally have only hit those under-performing; any cuts to technical teams come more from hiring freezes and/or replacing entry-level positions with uni/college interns. Mass dev layoffs seem to come more from products being abandoned which result in entire teams being let go.
In these cases the top talent gets rehired back to the same company a lot of the time. If they still want the job. The dead weight or underperformers are on their own though.
 
In reality, the free money has ended and everyone expects a recession soon, so cutting headcount is the only way to maintain profits.
pretty much, people don't realize how insane the free money was, the US just through economic conditions launched so many companies that it was like we invented steam engines or magic or unobtanium. its also why insane inventions like any time food delivery or tv shows and movies broadcast exclusively on the internet went from failed ideas in the 90s to the norm just from investors willing to invest in these money pits until they worked.

Also, this should be useful.
holy fuck, this is a bad warning sign, no one gets fired in january, the next 12 months will be a bloodbath, we're already a lot further along than 2023 and that also means these companies probably weren't hiring mostly through that year either
So yeah, thanks for nothing republicans...
i sort of understand the thinking behind it, if you think american minds are so special that companies will pay for them then of course you should tax it, the GOP just doesn't realize these companies can outlast not having good products for decades on end.

Plus lets be honest, they're just cutting out the middle man, most of the fags in R&D were just asians anyway.
but they wont offer salaries that the google person would take.
downsize your life. people act like this is some new concept, every bubble bursts, you think the post-cold war bust of government contractors didn't lead to some cutbacks for people? everyone in tech was calling this out about silicon valley for decades. overinflating expectations, back in the 80s software devs were being paid as much as stand up comedians and anime voice over actors, but they didn't care because they were passionate for their job.
They'll be getting single digit % pay increases and a LOT less perks.

Profit margins are dropping and money is getting more expensive.
i'm sure the cali citizens are fine with it overall, it was either get fired or see some mean tweets.
The era of cheap/free money is ending and it's doubtful we'll see sub 2% interest rates again for a long time.
it was always a scam/bad idea, interest rates that low are impossible without cooking the books somewhere, and from what we've seen the government just lied. you really think rent only doubled between 1983 and 2019?
Pretty much every Googler now is a foaming-at-the-mouth shitlib, so none of them are able to correctly diagnose the first part of the problem. The job of search is to enable the user to find what they are looking for, not to direct the user to what you think they ought to be looking for.
people forget google was so amazing that up until about a decade ago people would just search for fun. the amount of cool hobbiest shit or old blogs or articles or whatever you could find on the internet was awesome. People can pretty much trace the rise of so many fucking fetishes to it being so easy to find freaks into what you're into. google's search was so great fucking reddit at its relative height didn't bother fixing search, neither did most other websites, they just let google take care of it.
That's a 50% pay cut from their current position, and doesn't include free breakfast, lunch, and happy ending massages.
i'm surprise more isn't made about that, from what that one review said, the fact people leave once they hit their minimum hours is shocking, google was the first well known company that did embrace making your workplace a place the employees want to hang out. between the nutty job interview questions and the fun orientations and the "campus" and the fun stuff for employees to do on their break google was seen like if you had an office job on a cruise ship.
 
Not really true. Microsoft in the 80s/90s invented the esteemed "developer floor." Where the main floor looked like a giant 7/11 with the walls being coolers full of soda, energy drinks, and a barista coffee shop with a cutie right there.

Everyone else adopted it afterwards. You can still find pics of the Windows dev floor from back then. The thing was originally only the very best basement dwelling super nerds ever got to work on that floor. As if you kept enough shit around where they wanted to just stay tinkering with shit all night the expense was minimal. Because that kind of nerd lives for tinkering with technology and nothing else. The problem is when you gave it to everyone the dead weight made using these benefits their primary reason for even being in the office. On top of accomplishing nothing tangible.

Really, if you weren't the on the best developer teams at Microsoft back then you didn't get those perks. You weren't even allowed on the same floor as them. It was extremely prestigious.

I recommend all of you read the book iWoz. Steve Wozniak's autobiography. It's really a great insight to the kind of super nerd that excelled in the earlier tech days. Most of us (myself included) simply don't take it remotely as seriously and I am totally cool with that. The dude literally spent every night in high school drawing up schematics for a computer he wanted to put together.

EDIT: Before VCRs or even Betamax. Steve Wozniak took industrial film recording equipment and miniaturized it it for his own amusement. He then took a few films available and fit them to his completely custom machine. This was in the mid 1970s. Dude built a VCR, something worth billions of dollars a few years later and never bothered to mention it because he didn't care. Like that's the kind of insanity the dude has.
 
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The job of search is to enable the user to find what they are looking for, not to direct the user to what you think they ought to be looking for.
Google hasn't been a search company in years. It's an advertising company. So, if you want a product it usually works well as long as it's something mainstream. If you have a product and a problem with it then it's absolute garbage. Or if you want something esoteric like a 6" LCD Screen. No, not a 17.6" LCD Screen, nor that, nor that, nor that other thing.
 
I can't stress enough that open source projects are not the tech industry. Troons infest open source projects because there is no barrier to entry. Then they submit a PR that is nothing but code comments or documentation and then call themselves a software engineer.

Fuck modernity, fuck agile, fuck pair programming... Why must every company under the sun force me to spend literal days planning and breaking my tasks up into tard chunks.
Because the product as a whole needs to be thought and planned beforehand. A lot of the time developers want to jump right in, get 90% of the way through the solution before they hit a problem that invalidates their whole approach. That wastes time in the long run.

The other reason is that waterfall sucks. The customer doesn't see the product until the very end and inevitably doesn't like what you built. So then you get to make a ton of changes to code you just spent months writing.

Most people don't understand why scrum/agile is important and just go through the motions. That becomes miserable like you describe. It's supposed to give you an interval of time (sprints) where you always know what you need to work on next, with all the details and questions about the ticket answered and when it needs to be delivered.
Just let me code. Just let me put on some music and tell the robot what to do.
All of the plannings and stuff are meant to get you to a point where you can just sit down and bang out code.
 
The other reason is that waterfall sucks. The customer doesn't see the product until the very end and inevitably doesn't like what you built. So then you get to make a ton of changes to code you just spent months writing.

Most people don't understand why scrum/agile is important and just go through the motions. That becomes miserable like you describe. It's supposed to give you an interval of time (sprints) where you always know what you need to work on next and when it needs to be delivered.
Waterfall sucks, but badly managed waterfall sucks less than badly managed agile/scrum, I feel. At least for waterfall, there's a pretense of trying to understand the customer big picture before trying to build the thing. Whereas if you're in a shitty agile project, you'll be forever stuck trying to chase moving goals with no clear end on how the product even would look like at the end of the day.

I like agile/scrum. I fucking hate how most middle management do not understand what it's supposed to be.
 
Middle management sucks at managing agile because they feel they can always inject whatever into any sprint because its agile. The only way to mitigate this is to have a director or manager who spent a lot of time as a developer and knows exactly how to tell paper pusher managers to shut the fuck up.

This is how agile works:
  • Over a specified time period you get features X,Y,Z through mutual agreement.
  • After they are developed feedback is provided to further refine features X,Y,Z.
  • The next sprint is for features Xa, Ya, Za over a specified time period.
  • Rinse and repeat until desired result is achieved.
How agile doesn't work is having middle managers change the sprint tasks on Friday in a two week sprint into something completely different. Then immediately throw you under the bus for not completing it on the next Friday when the sprint concludes. Then, when pressed on their faggotry they just claim that sprints work how they're doing them and its your fault for not being competent and that nothing they learned in school says they can't completely change a sprint at the last second. Because that's agile!
 
I can't stress enough that open source projects are not the tech industry. Troons infest open source projects because there is no barrier to entry. Then they submit a PR that is nothing but code comments or documentation and then call themselves a software engineer.


Because the product as a whole needs to be thought and planned beforehand. A lot of the time developers want to jump right in, get 90% of the way through the solution before they hit a problem that invalidates their whole approach. That wastes time in the long run.

The other reason is that waterfall sucks. The customer doesn't see the product until the very end and inevitably doesn't like what you built. So then you get to make a ton of changes to code you just spent months writing.

Most people don't understand why scrum/agile is important and just go through the motions. That becomes miserable like you describe. It's supposed to give you an interval of time (sprints) where you always know what you need to work on next, with all the details and questions about the ticket answered and when it needs to be delivered.

All of the plannings and stuff are meant to get you to a point where you can just sit down and bang out code.

I understand how Agile is supposed to work... my bitching is more about rigid adherence to dogma. What actually pissed me off is that we spent literal days planning with the creatives, got all the reqs locked down, then spent literal days breaking up the dev tasks and writing acceptance criteria and all that shit. Well it turns out that half of the task is a carbon copy of the first half but my tech lead still wants me to make all these micro commits and have 3 different branches... and it's like I can literally cut paste the last component, run a 2 minute find and replace and then add the one new feature.... instead I had to basically erase everything I did and spend all day restructuring the same code for re-delivery and every mistake I made or thing I missed resulted in having to interactively rebase everything or ruin my carefully curated commit history....

I literally could have cut/pasted, dusted my hands and spent the day fucking around but instead I spent my whole day doing what is essentially git minutia.

Also I just hate pair programming with an unbridled passion, I don't want an audience, I want listen to MATI while I do my busy work.
 
Middle management sucks at managing agile because they feel they can always inject whatever into any sprint because its agile. The only way to mitigate this is to have a director or manager who spent a lot of time as a developer and knows exactly how to tell paper pusher managers to shut the fuck up.

This is how agile works:
  • Over a specified time period you get features X,Y,Z through mutual agreement.
  • After they are developed feedback is provided to further refine features X,Y,Z.
  • The next sprint is for features Xa, Ya, Za over a specified time period.
  • Rinse and repeat until desired result is achieved.
How agile doesn't work is having middle managers change the sprint tasks on Friday in a two week sprint into something completely different. Then immediately throw you under the bus for not completing it on the next Friday when the sprint concludes. Then, when pressed on their faggotry they just claim that sprints work how they're doing them and its your fault for not being competent and that nothing they learned in school says they can't completely change a sprint at the last second. Because that's agile!

Before beginning work, you should have all agreed on a proposal for what is and isn't in the project, and this should be written and act as a contract among stakeholders, meaning it doesn't change unless everyone agrees it can change. If product management or somebody can just change targets at will, something is broken.
 
A family friend has a small company that has a job opening for a jack-of-all-trades IT guy. He's seeing a lot of resumes from people who worked at FAANG companies previously, for a job that clearly states the starting salary is 60k.

I told him they're either lying pajeets or they will be so hyper-specialized that they won't be of any help running a one-man IT department at a small business.

From experience, a lot of them apply for jobs outside the FAANGs with salary expectations of $400K+, and the response from legacy tech (where I work) is hahahaha no, faggot, a level 3 here are $150K/yr. They legit think they are worth half a mil to the rest of the world because they know how to sort palindromes and do DFS brain teasers.

Those inside stories are interesting, but none of them can correctly diagnose the problem. Google broke its main product, search. Part of it's because Sundar Pichai believes it is Google's role in society to ensure Democrats win Presidential elections. He even said so at an all hands meeting, so search now has various thumbs on the scale to stop you from finding "misinformation" or whatever, but this has the side effect of making searches for obscure things less effective. They also now boost so many paid results that it's like trying to watch network TV with a commercial every 45 seconds.

Pretty much every Googler now is a foaming-at-the-mouth shitlib, so none of them are able to correctly diagnose the first part of the problem. The job of search is to enable the user to find what they are looking for, not to direct the user to what you think they ought to be looking for.
The number of times I've give up on searching issues on Google and go straight to Bing chat only keeps increasing every month. I recently had an issue with a software I was setting up at work and no matter how many different ways I tried searching on Google, I kept getting the same irrelevant Stack Overflow or Microsoft forum answers. Previously, if searching one way wasn't working, I could rephrase it or mark different keywords to force new results. Now that doesn't work either.

After spending about 45 mins doing this, I typed my original query into Bing chat and it immediately gave me the answer with a relevant example. It even pointed me to the exact Stack Overflow question where one of the answers talked about it in more detail. After fixing my issue, I spent a few mins to see if Google would bring up that page at all and I could not get it to pull it up no matter how much I tried. Even directly quoting the question or answer only brought it up on the second or third page.
 
I understand how Agile is supposed to work... my bitching is more about rigid adherence to dogma. What actually pissed me off is that we spent literal days planning with the creatives, got all the reqs locked down, then spent literal days breaking up the dev tasks and writing acceptance criteria and all that shit. Well it turns out that half of the task is a carbon copy of the first half but my tech lead still wants me to make all these micro commits and have 3 different branches... and it's like I can literally cut paste the last component, run a 2 minute find and replace and then add the one new feature....
either your company really cares about being able to rollback micro-specific changes or your your tech lead is fucking autistic. That would annoy me too.

Also I just hate pair programming with an unbridled passion, I don't want an audience, I want listen to MATI while I do my busy work.

Pair programming is only useful when you're teaching another developer something. Other than that, it sucks. I am with you 100%.
 
The number of times I've give up on searching issues on Google and go straight to Bing chat only keeps increasing every month. I recently had an issue with a software I was setting up at work and no matter how many different ways I tried searching on Google, I kept getting the same irrelevant Stack Overflow or Microsoft forum answers. Previously if searching one way wasn't working, I could rephrase it or mark different keywords to force new results. Now that doesn't work either.

Whoever at Google decided it was okay for a result that doesn't contain all keywords to outrank one that does should DIE.
 
I told him they're either lying pajeets or they will be so hyper-specialized that they won't be of any help running a one-man IT department at a small business.
Hiring a FAANG guy for that would be hilarious overkill. I can see it now, asking for him to help set up some basic internal service for the company, and getting told he first needs $150k in cloud resources and specialized infrastructural tools, a project manager, an architect, and a culture coordinator to get it done in the next six months.

either your company really cares about being able to rollback micro-specific changes or your your tech lead is fucking autistic. That would annoy me too.
Sounds like the leadership might have poorly designed KPI's, using branch and source control activity as a measured metric of success, leading to autistic "do it all again" so it pads the numbers.
 
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