BitChute is not at all decentralized or peer-to-peer, despite its claims

[Splendid]

No respectable media outlet would ever hire a midge. Have you ever seen a midget anchorman or journalist?

The Daily Stormer did back in the day.

I've never used CoolStreaming, but I've used AceStream which is often used to pirate live sports events. These streams can have minutes worth of delay. The majority of the swarm are going to be fairly useless leechers and the initial seed problem will never go away. If you don't worry about the _LIVE_ part of the stream all of this becomes a whole lot easier.

I think we would need to find some good use cases for streams that are legal, do not rely on audience interaction, and would be unique content that cannot be viewed with less lag elsewhere (i.e. the streamer is making their own content.)

 

[AnOminous]

Anyway, it would be foolish to build a service dependent on WebTorrent, a hack of WebRTC, when Google could release an update to Chrome at any time and break it for most of your users in an instant.

And they'd probably deliberately do that if anything was remotely threatening their YouTube monopoly.

 

[4str4staleatherbelt]

Can you explain more eloquently your evidence of how it isn't p2 and what evidence would make it p2p? (Not that I care if it isn't p2p.)

 

[CIA Nigger]

I still think the biggest issue in terms of bitchute for its general usage is just its content. It has the gab issue (albeit not nearly as bad) where its all the banned or non mainstream people go. So it gets all the low effort mouth breathers, in this case its youtube /pol/ack rejects.

Which in of itself isn't the issue, the issue is there isn't enough regular everyday content yet. So the monkeys scream and throw shit are either default top billing or omnipresent. It just creates a loop where that is the only content there will be, and attracts more of that same content. Any one else who goes there will get drowned out. You won't see people going there for mundane or calm shit. No one going for recipes or fun little factoid videos. Which stunts growth and outreach.

If I wanna see a video about the history of Han China, how to bake a certain kinda cake, or how to repair my computer, I am not gonna go to bitchute for that (at least not currently).

That and the lack of apps for mobile on apple or android is a pain.

One last thing that @oddish has pointed out in the past. Is that youtubers are just as guilty of not helping any other platforms grow. Many don't bother even having backup channels on sites like bitchute when it auto archives shit from YouTube for you. So they only stay on youtube, and don't even try to help anywhere else grown in any measurable way.

This is a good point too. Anyone who remembers Zippcast knows that when it wasn't going down, it was filled with Z list Let's Players trying to find an audience anywhere and Pooh's Adventures autists who kept getting banned from YouTube. There was also less of a reason for someone to ditch YouTube at the time, YouTubers had it good compared to today as the only real complaint was "they ruined the layout again". Vidlii is the same exact shit, everyone on it is some cartoon autist who can barely scrape 10 views.

Then there's the fact that few to no sites are going to be able to grow the way YouTube did. Sure YouTube had Smosh and the AVGN using the site to springboard their careers back in the day, but YouTube also had tons of copyrighted content uploads. The famous Viacom lawsuit over SpongeBob and Daily Show clips combined with similar lawsuits such as the Veoh lawsuit show just how hard it was to get into the video hosting field. That was also before you could be held accountable by the bigger tech companies for the content your users uploaded.

Ironically fringe content is one of the only things that is drawing users into Bitchute and similar sites. When platforms mass ban people for talking about controversial topics in the incorrect manner, they are going to go where they can freely discuss it without worrying about a ban. It's one of the reasons this site attracts a diverse userbase, and it's also one of the reasons 8chan grew like it did. I've seen former lurkers talk about signing up just to discuss what's in specific threads because it's the only place discussing it. In fact one of the reasons GamerGate was such a huge deal at first was because of how every single site was trying to stop discussion of it, even 4chan. Of course over time 8chan died off and the boards that weren't /pol/ or /v/ slowed to a crawl (or in the case of /furry/ were killed by mismanagement) but that's another story entirely.

As for YouTubers not helping other platforms grow, when nobody watches your content it's hard to stay invested in a dead platform. This changes if someone is banned meaning they have no choice but to upload there (TGWTG and Blip come to mind). Blip got huge because for the longest time an e-celeb was using it to upload his videos, and even those got reuploaded to YouTube. Something like PostyBirb for video sharing sites could help, as that can upload art to numerous sites at once. Yet it also gives users one less reason to use other platforms when the same people and more are going to be on the mainstream one.

 

[snailslime]

shitchute seems like a really laggy dump

 

[Citation Checking Project]

Can you explain more eloquently your evidence of how it isn't p2p and what evidence would make it p2p? (Not that I care if it isn't p2p.)

If only you'd bother to read the thread, fellow individual. Hotwheels provided a look under the hood in his article.

Simple analysis shows that this video is hosted at https://seed13.bitchute.com/enCP7veavtI1/re9Xp6cdkro.mp4 , which despite its BitTorrenty sounding name, “seed13”, has nothing at all to do with BitTorrent and is not a BitTorrent seed.


BitChute has a lot of these “seed” subdomains. “seed13” goes to 69.30.250.10, owned by Bit Chute Limited. I decided to take a look at all subdomains between seed00.bitchute.com and seed99.bitchute.com, and found that those which resolve (33/100) resolve to IPs either owned by BitChute or likely to be owned by BitChute. Here’s a summary as of press time:

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  To be frank, I could not find a single video that was served via BitTorrent peers. Not a single one. In both Firefox and Chrome, all video data came directly from servers owned by BitChute.
  
  BitChute does not work how they claim it does. Even the top video for the letter “a”, BAD ENGLISH - WHEN I SEE YOU SMILE, with 291,000 views, was served directly from BitChute’s server, in my case via seed63.bitchute.com.
  
  So, BitChute is serving all videos directly from servers under their control, and is saving no money at all. Their Twitter bio is a lie.
  
  At this point I finally heard back from BitChute. They claim that they are “able to enable p2p and disable it as [needed] to optimize bandwidth as necessary.” It is of course absurd to ever need to disable a peer-to-peer solution which works well—even if it’s only saving the company 1% on their bandwidth bill, that’s not 0%, and if some pesky investigative journalist starts snooping around, your “revolutionary p2p video platform” is actually decentralized as promised—so the main thing I got from their reply was that theirs doesn’t work well.
  
  [...]
  
  The magnet links provided which allow users to download videos, presumably from a swarm of BitTorrent peers, likewise do not work, and seem to be there mostly for show, to give the illusion BitTorrent peer-to-peer technology is in use when it is not—the top trending video at press time, Hillary Clinton and the Ultimate Ironic Tweet, failed to download via magnet link, as did every other “trending video” I tried. This is not user error, I’ve done this exact kind of thing before, the problem is that BitChute doesn’t work how they say it does and so there are no seeds.

Null when even further:

I don't think Fredrick is wrong. I'd go so far as to say the claim it's p2p is a lie. I've often tried to seed my own videos on Bitchute and have failed to even download them over Bittorrent. I've had to use youtube-dl to download the videos from their site from their source, then put them where the torrent would look, then start seeding, only to realize the web p2p shit doesn't seem to work at all.

I also remember a time last year when I to use the magnet link because I wanted to download a video and I got no peers iirc.

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In other news, "PeerTube", which is being pushed by a completely different crowd than Alt-Tech, at least has the benefit of existing and being at least as decentralized as the Fediverse. I have yet to test it, and it is also based on WebTorrent, but if I don't see any glaring problems with it (well privacy just like old bitchute eh!) I will bet 10% of my Kiwi Farms Kool Kid Koins that BitChute will eventually pull a Torba and become a PeerTube instance. Takers?

 

[MelloYello]

So strange to see this bog standard intellectual dishonesty being written by someone who was ostensibly not a clown at some point. smdh.

Little pedocripple was probably always a clown, he's just getting worse at hiding it...

 

[cecograph]

I think Hotwheels is right about the bitchute now - it's definitely serving static links for the videos. Looking through it, I do see that it's trying to use asm.js to load webtorrent (which is a js bittorrent client), but it's not actually using it to download the videos. It should be possible to use webassembly / asm.js to load videos via bittorrent and play them with current javascript/browsers, and if a site like that doesn't actually exist, it's definitely within the realm of current front end technology - but I thought it was this site that's doing it, so it is bs that it's not. It seems like it would be a fun project.

I don't think this stuff is straightforward. A while back, I tried downloading a magnet link from peertube, and nothing happened. Then I found this. This situation sucks balls. I don't want to P2P video from my browser. I want to do it from a dedicated torrent client that runs 24/7. And if these guys aren't currently playing nicely together, that seriously sucks for P2P streaming video right now.

I have concerns about P2P youtube alternatives, and want the bad faith quick-buck tech companies pointed out. But the OP article's moralising about the alt-right completely undermines any good points it could be making. If this was the "director's cut", why the fuck did you leave in all the ball-licking content that decisively proves you are a massive whore? The whole point of a director's cut is to tell us what you really wanted to say, so you're now just lying twice, dipshit.

 

[James Smith]

I don't think it's impossible to have P2P streaming or on-demand video, I just think the peers need to include more than just users currently watching the stream.

Imagine if no Tor relays were in large datacenters and all of them were in people's homes. The network would run like outright garbage.

 

[Jack Awful]

Fred can never put the genie back in the bottle.
He'll have to live with what he's created for the rest of his life.

 

[Pop-Tart]

The only "real YouTubers" I've seen actively engage in alternative platforms are firearm YouTubers. Famously C&Rsenal (WW1 historical focus) and InRange TV (more general) uploaded firearm videos to YouPorn during a YouTube firearms ban scare.

InRange TV actively maintains a BitChute account, and the main guy who runs the channel regularly talks about his concerns about censorship/deplatforming, and will continue to upload his content to alternatives on an ideological basis regardless of anyone watches them there or not (which most people do not). People like this are the true heroes, selflessly going out of their way to promote adoption so one day a critical mass may be reached.

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/inrangetv/

That is because the gun community is on edge and saw this coming. They are used to being shit on and were prepared.

They have https://gunstreamer.com/ and https://www.full30.com/ from way before the current shit show.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Lolcow Styx vlogged about Brennan.

Some Youtubers left some comments and one raised an eyebrow

His Name is Biggus Dikkus28 minutes ago
Apparently, liberty and free speech is a Nazi concept now. What a crazy world we live in.

Axel Hopfinger
It is when its enemies are Cryptocommunists in service of rootless globalists. Face it, Nazis are the only adversaries Communists (and their rootless masters) truly fear. Because unlike capitalists or liberal democracies, proper Nazis cannot be ideologically subverted or bought off.

Ashish Patel
Funny how it's the Jews pushing censorship. It's almost like they don't want to be exposed.

 

[NOMYBITCASH]

Its owned by a jew what did u expect? why do you think its been "allowed" to exist ?

 

[Distant Stare]

Didnt you take 8th grade English? You should not write an article about bitchute's technical flaws, and have the first few paragraphs about it being home to neo-nazis. Your first few paragraphs should be were you introduce your thesis and provide basic background information. It should be where you describe what exactly p2p is and why it is important.

The neo-nazi content and the technical problems are two different subjects, they belong in two different articles. If anything this poisons the well.

All these news articles are written in the exact same way:
1) Headline relating to subject A
2) Introduction section that has nothing to do with subject A
3) Clear biases displayed in introduction
4) Only half the article is about subject A, which is watered down pulp of a story

 

[Distant Stare]

It's the cost of entry, like it or lump it. I wanted to get this into a pseudo-respectable publication, not just my Steemit blog...I ended up succeeding in the end though, Daily Dot bit. Thank you Shorenstein Center!

if you needed any more proof that he is a traitor, just remember he will spit lies at you if it means he can chew on the leftovers the mainstream media gives him

The ✡ Shorenstein✡ Center paid him his 30 pieces silver

 

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Its owned by a jew what did u expect? why do you think its been "allowed" to exist ?

Oh look, it's a mentally ill person who can't spell properly, and who does not bring any actual evidence around BitChute's ownership. Are you a (((friend of Andrew Aurenheimer))) like Frederick Brennan is?

 

[AnOminous]

Didnt you take 8th grade English? You should not write an article about bitchute's technical flaws, and have the first few paragraphs about it being home to neo-nazis.

The real thesis is the Nazi shit. The technical bullshit is just to dress up his jihad against free speech as some kind of education.

 

[Distant Stare]

S H O R E N S T E I N

 

[a_lurker]

Ok, setting aside any political bullshittery, let's look at this.

The tl;dr is bitchute is using "free speech" and right wing friendly attitude to market itself, but may be bullshitting on that due to delisting weev & friends, and it's not decentralized at all currently.

I'd bet aside from a few vocal employees google doesn't really give a shit about "diversity" except in the pockets it's grabbing cash from and is only pandering due to market pressure and trends.

So the biggest difference is lying about decentralization, which is technically possible but currently isnt the case and the acceptable politics.

Pepsi, coke, competition is good.


If you regret the past, that's fine, move on, change course. No amount of handwashing can undo or bury the past.

We're all making shit up as we go, thats what makes life fun and worthwhile. Worrying about some legacy or redeeming your name in the eyes of some future people you'll never meet is pointless self torture.

 

[Jaimas]

Hotwheels, do you know what I did this morning? I wandered into a thread where the locals were discussing a man who can fit an entire forearm into his anus. I then wandered into another thread wherein the subject's idea of a menage a trois is himself, a another guy, and a turd. And then I wandered into a third thread where the thread subject was a man who wants children to fuck him in the ass.

I bring these up because none of these are anywhere near as openly gay as your post on the Daily Dot.

I'll put this as nicely as I can. It's good that people are critical of Bitchute, but you've tipped your hand devoting about 3 pages to how Nazis are using the platform, and I'm afraid I have some bad news for you: No matter how much you carry their water, the people who hate you for creating 8chan in the first place will never see you as anything other than an expendable asset, and you prove them right by doing shit like this.