BitChute is not at all decentralized or peer-to-peer, despite its claims

[AnOminous]

You say a bunch of shit you don't actually believe usually for some kind of profit in order to make some service or good look better.

What bunch of shit is Null saying that he doesn't believe and what is the profit and what good or service is he making look better?

 

[ddlloo]

You say a bunch of shit you don't actually believe usually for some kind of profit in order to make some service or good look better.

What did he say that he didn't believe? He clearly agrees with the premise of the article that they're telling fibs about how they operate.

 

[Null]

I never had it work and never took these claims seriously in the first place after a couple failed tries. But is anyone actually using it because of these claims or just because they're kicked off somewhere else? For the false advertising to be some kind of fraud, it would have to have fooled someone who made their decision to use BitChute based on its supposed p2p nature.

I think a lot of people don't understand what p2p means, and, if you strip out all the groveling capitulation to corporate masters by acasually associating random people with Hitler's Nazism (something any objective person ought to be able to do), you'll see his main point is correct. It isn't like the kiwifarms.cc instance where if we drop our instance the whole network goes down. If Bitchute goes down, all of Bitchute is gone. The video content might be seeded somewhere else, but it is not p2p in any way. The only thing p2p would be the video networking (if it actually worked, which it doesn't), but that is not p2p in your benefit, that is p2p in Bitchute's benefit as it alleviates bandwidth costs. If it does benefit you, it is incidentally, in not requiring Bitchute to aggressively monetize or limit who can post on the site.

They are teasing a crowdfunding system for a p2p livestreaming service, something I've talked about for over a year now, but unless I see evidence it is truly p2p and is FOSS in such a way I can make a live.kiwifarms.net and stream tranny porn to 25,000 people at once, I'm not going to shill that crowdfund at all.

 

[AnOminous]

They are teasing a crowdfunding system for a p2p livestreaming service, something I've talked about for over a year now, but unless I see evidence it is truly p2p and is FOSS in such a way I can make a live.kiwifarms.net and stream tranny porn to 25,000 people at once, I'm not going to shill that crowdfund at all.

So far as I can tell it currently isn't p2p at all. It's just a shitty YouTube alternative that so far as I can tell is shit for actual streaming, too, but I suppose is okay to store video. It would be really nice to have a p2p style network that scales up with the number of viewers so that it essentially has unlimited bandwidth by using viewers to distribute the stream.

That currently doesn't exist even though it seems it should be technically possible.

BitChute isn't it, but so what? Who cares? Who really thinks it's anything but a shitty YouTube alternative like many others?

I don't see Freddo's point in pointing that out to an audience of SJWs that also doesn't give a shit but does give a shit that it's a bunch of "Nazis" because they don't aggressively censor things the way SJWs and apparently Freddo want the entire Internet.

 

[ThePurpleProse]

You say a bunch of shit you don't actually believe usually for some kind of profit in order to make some service or good look better.

Edit: But I think I won't say anything more. I'll just wait for Hotwheels to say more bullshit. I'm sure everyone will call me a faggot and an exceptional individual.

I root for you mein nigga, you missed the point for fucking light years but as result I get to know more about p2p without technical language involved.

 

[war has changed]

"I don't think Fredrick is wrong." No mention of why Frederick is doing this.

No mention here of what Null said isn't wrong.

 

[Splendid]

How would we handle leechers on a p2p streaming site?

 

[Pomniman]

He might have a point about the technological side of things but homosexually moaning about wrongthink still makes him a cuck and invalidates any opinions he has in general.

 

[AnOminous]

How would we handle leechers on a p2p streaming site?

If you did it by punishing leechers you'd more or less kill any chance of adoption. There's no real way of telling piggies doing that because they're just boomers and/or behind some kind of firewall that prevents them from sharing and from piggies who just do that because it's a selfish behavior people will do.

People will either have to contribute more bandwidth or the network fails, and unlike torrents, the results won't be just that things get slower, because if you're streaming, that means the stream just plain won't work.

 

[Spedestrian]

To put some meaning back into the word "decentralized": to make it not a slogan, but rather a statement of technical reality.

It's the cost of entry, like it or lump it. I wanted to get this into a pseudo-respectable publication, not just my Steemit blog.

Let's say I'm willing to believe this rather charitable interpretation, that you really did decide to add a political spin to your article about BitChute for the sole purpose of getting it published. Even then, what has your deal with the devil really accomplished? Sure you've exposed yet another tech company bullshitting its users with vaporware promises, but what is the ultimate effect of that exposure? You're just helping to add another corpse to the pile of those who dared to oppose the Orwellian mainstream media empire. It's autistic and shortsighted at best.

If you really care about making decentralization a "statement of technical reality" then why don't you help to create that reality? You could embarrass all those lazy fucks in one fell swoop by actually doing what they can only claim to do. Even if you can't or don't want to do that, you could at least wait until there's a real alternative before you start shitting on people.

It's entirely possible that BitChute truly is working on real decentralized streaming but had to launch before it was ready due to the practical realities of business. Sure, you could argue that the company deserves to fail for that, or that they're unlikely to deliver on their promises since they've already failed to do so. Those are valid points. But unless there's another service that deserves the support instead, I don't see the point of cutting BitChute off at the knees. There's still a chance they might get there, and they'd hardly be the first tech company who sold the vision of their product to get the resources they need to actually create it. A lot of the great shit we have started off as a masquerade: "fake it til you make it" is very much a reality of the industry.

 

[Rice Is Ready]

It's the type of article that would be posted in this subforum. I feel it's a type of historic first, first reporter to post their own article to the Farms. I also am the first party to a legal complaint to post their own complaint here.

In short, it's fun.

Trying to shut down free speech is "fun"? Get fucked you disgusting wheelchair midget gremlin. You would have been a sideshow attraction 100 years ago.

 

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Anyone who is actually interested in BitChute knows that they were, at the start, using WebTorrent technology. They moved off that primarily to address privacy concerns inherent with any peer to peer technology.

Frederick Brennan- a 'man' who supported the spreading of revenge porn, the targeting of men, women, and children by credit card fraudsters, and the distribution of 'child modelling' photos by filthy pedophiles, before Jim Watkins heroically cleaned up 8chan, has presumably been told by his bosses that they would like that decision reversed, so that they can monitor people with naughty views more readily.

I don't think Fredrick is wrong. I'd go so far as to say the claim it's p2p is a lie. I've often tried to seed my own videos on Bitchute and have failed to even download them over Bittorrent. I've had to use youtube-dl to download the videos from their site from their source, then put them where the torrent would look, then start seeding, only to realize the web p2p shit doesn't seem to work at all.

This is pretty easy to explain

BitChute only ever used 'WebTorrent', a 'sort of' implementation of BitTorrent on top of HTML5 WebSockets. This worked pretty well in modern web browsers and has many cool applications there, but has basically no support among mainstream torrent clients- the WebTorrent crowd's extremely basic HTML5 based client and Vuve (Azureus) are the only ones I'm aware of.

Even at the point where they were allowing P2P, any downloads of videos over P2P would have been only from other users. If noone else connected to the tracker was sharing the file you wanted to see, the WebTorrent video player would use a 'webseed' in the magnet link, which is to say, it would just download it over HTTP. This also explains why some torrent clients will download BitChute magnet links- because the webseeds are standard enough for regular torrents that they can recognize and download them. Or you could just view source and go straight to the MP4.

Again, they went away from the P2P model primarily because of the reputational risk from a few articles by Yehudi puppets like Brennan about 'here's all the Nazis we identified by monitoring BitChute's P2P traffic'.

First of all, I think it's funny you're whining about Nazis when you wrote that pro-eugenics article for the Daily Stormer, a website that fits the "cesspool of hate" definition far moreso than 8chan or BitChute.

It's thoroughly unsurprising that Brennan previously wrote for the 'Daily Stormer'. The 'Shorenstein Center' is probably less kosher than Andrew Aurenheimer is.

And, in this case, Wheelchair man is going against the grain.
That in mind, what's wrong with posting on a form where people will disagree?
The alternative is for him to post where everyone already agrees with his opinions and then the same people going "Why even post here?" would just accuse him of sitting in his hugbox or echo-chamber.

This is the Articles and Happenings section. Noone should have a problem with it being posted here.

He is a declared enemy of the human race, an ally of the traditional enemies of the truth, that's why.

Just look at the fact that he tried to pitch this to Bellingcat, a group which is responsible for tens if not hundreds of thousands of excess deaths in the Syrian proxy war through their lies about 'chemical weapons'. Anyone who would willingly work with Bellingcat should be tried as a war criminal.

 

[Yotsubaaa]

It's the cost of entry, like it or lump it. I wanted to get this into a pseudo-respectable publication, not just my Steemit blog. (Both Bellingcat and Motherboard (Vice) turned the story down, one as I wasn't willing to wait until after Thanksgiving, the other as they didn't think BitChute was relevant enough politically yet.) I ended up succeeding in the end though, Daily Dot bit. Thank you Shorenstein Center!

Why are you like this now?

Do you have a link so all kiwis can hear how duplicitous @copypaste is?

@BEST_MAN_202 has the clip here (and that lovable scamp @Yotsubaaa did a transcript of the clip here, copied verbatim):

Fredrick: Yeah Kiwi Farms is, well, to put it mildly, it's like a stalker site. I mean, I don't know how else to describe it. They have what they call 'exceptional individuals'—people of interest⁠—that they, you know, like to just keep tabs on what they're doing.

Host: Like Terry Davis?

Fredrick: Right. In theory there are rules that they're not supposed to message them; they say "Don't touch the crap" or whatever. Like, in theory you're not supposed to troll the people on the site. But, I mean, the site is full of dox of every single so-called 'Lolcow', and you know, there are other adjacent websites to Kiwi Farms that do use the information on Kiwi Farms to harass the users.

Host: Right—

Also I'm deliberately @'ing @BEST_MAN_202 cos I was surprised that he hasn't posted in here yet, this seems right up his alley. Get in here, buddy!

Right now I'm researching Gab. Torba is definitely an interesting character. I think there's a story there, but exactly "about what" I'll keep to myself for now.

Well going after such low-hanging fruit is par for the course for the style of tabloid journalism that you want to emulate, so fair enough I guess? But what happened to spending every waking moment going after 8kun/Watkins?

He answered why all the tangential Nazi stuff is in the article.

Hotwheels had to write that so that the Shorenstein Center of Harvard would connect him to the Daily Dot.

Fredrick admitted as much on Twitter, too.

Fredrick Brennan 🔣🇵🇭✝ on Twitter

“@TheRalphRetort @bitchute Some people don't like that I quoted @ShorensteinCtr in re: @navyhato, or @polygon in re: Computing Forever. To them I say, that's how you get published. Talking about #AltTech is not possible without bringing up YouTube's politics, as without them BitChute wouldn't...

twitter.com

(https://archive.li/Qxi5s)

Like it or not, any site whatsoever that uses "free speech" as a selling point is going to attract those who have been kicked off other places that don't do that. That could be "Nazis" currently or "Communists" tomorrow.

Fredrick is apparently now implacably hostile to any such place existing at all, in complete opposition to what he formerly claimed his ideals were. It's distressing and disgusting, frankly.

I think that's the most confusing part of all of this for me. Both Fredrick and that other irrelevant sped that I promised @Answer I wouldn't name anymore, seem to have this almost schizophrenic viewpoint where they're super-for deplatforming 'Nazis', yet at the same time they're also super-for the kind of decentralization that would ensure that this deplatforming is no longer possible. I don't get it.

EDIT: While I'm here, BitChute's response to the article:

BitChute on Twitter

“@TheRalphRetort Many wrong things about this article, starting with the title. We've never claimed we are 100% decentralized. We do state that things like child abuse, terrorism, pirated, illegal content can and will be removed. The writer could have saved himself effort by reading the t&c's 😂”

twitter.com

(https://archive.li/vvPAR)

 

[CrunkLord420]

It's highly questionable if we'll ever get a FULLY P2P LIVESTREAM. At least without it being massively out of sync across many viewers. Even then, we're talking Stadia levels of optimism about the average access to low-latency low-loss high-bandwidth internet connections. It's obvious that centralized "seeds" would be required to provide a basic level of service. I was never under the impression that BitChute was anything other than P2P-subsidized streaming, not even livestreaming. This does not invalidate BitChute whatsoever as any YouTube alternative is valid regardless of it's P2P nature or not.

Crowdfunding is a different issue, and not Fredrick's point. Fredrick's point was to try to get a Google competitor removed from the internet since he's an establishment mouth-piece trying as hard as possible to keep people in the corporate controlled walled gardens. How traitorous.

 

[Pop-Tart]

I still think the biggest issue in terms of bitchute for its general usage is just its content. It has the gab issue (albeit not nearly as bad) where its all the banned or non mainstream people go. So it gets all the low effort mouth breathers, in this case its youtube /pol/ack rejects.

Which in of itself isn't the issue, the issue is there isn't enough regular everyday content yet. So the monkeys scream and throw shit are either default top billing or omnipresent. It just creates a loop where that is the only content there will be, and attracts more of that same content. Any one else who goes there will get drowned out. You won't see people going there for mundane or calm shit. No one going for recipes or fun little factoid videos. Which stunts growth and outreach.

If I wanna see a video about the history of Han China, how to bake a certain kinda cake, or how to repair my computer, I am not gonna go to bitchute for that (at least not currently).

That and the lack of apps for mobile on apple or android is a pain.

One last thing that @oddish has pointed out in the past. Is that youtubers are just as guilty of not helping any other platforms grow. Many don't bother even having backup channels on sites like bitchute when it auto archives shit from YouTube for you. So they only stay on youtube, and don't even try to help anywhere else grown in any measurable way.

 

[CrunkLord420]

The only "real YouTubers" I've seen actively engage in alternative platforms are firearm YouTubers. Famously C&Rsenal (WW1 historical focus) and InRange TV (more general) uploaded firearm videos to YouPorn during a YouTube firearms ban scare.

InRange TV actively maintains a BitChute account, and the main guy who runs the channel regularly talks about his concerns about censorship/deplatforming, and will continue to upload his content to alternatives on an ideological basis regardless of anyone watches them there or not (which most people do not). People like this are the true heroes, selflessly going out of their way to promote adoption so one day a critical mass may be reached.

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/inrangetv/

 

[milkies]

It's highly questionable if we'll ever get a FULLY P2P LIVESTREAM.

CoolStreaming managed it in the early 2000s, but those were the days when popular software would take full advantage of your machine's capabilities and weren't limited to whatever Jewgle saw fit to include in their spyware Chrome sandbox.

Anyway, it would be foolish to build a service dependent on WebTorrent, a hack of WebRTC, when Google could release an update to Chrome at any time and break it for most of your users in an instant. Additionally, they could decree a change in the WebRTC spec through their proxy group WHATWG [1] to make WebTorrent unworkable and the other browser vendors (all two of them) would do the same.

Your only remaining users would be the handful of people using Chrome and Firefox forks like Brave (aka AllAdvantage 2.0: ShitCoin Edition) and Waterfox, assuming they continued to maintain support in their respective forks. At that point you should just release a standalone application and free yourself of browser limitations.

[1]: WHATWG is ostensibly independent, but one look at the people making important commits on their Github page and it's clear from all the @google.com email addresses who is really running the show.

 

[Splendid]

I think we would certainly need a standalone app.

 

[CrunkLord420]

CoolStreaming managed it in the early 2000s, but those were the days when popular software would take full advantage of your machine's capabilities and weren't limited to whatever Jewgle saw fit to include in their spyware Chrome sandbox.

Anyway, it would be foolish to build a service dependent on WebTorrent, a hack of WebRTC, when Google could release an update to Chrome at any time and break it for most of your users in an instant. Additionally, they could decree a change in the WebRTC spec through their proxy group WHATWG [1] to make WebTorrent unworkable and the other browser vendors (all two of them) would do the same.

Your only remaining users would be the handful of people using Chrome and Firefox forks like Brave (aka AllAdvantage 2.0: ShitCoin Edition) and Waterfox, assuming they continued to maintain support in their respective forks. At that point you should just release a standalone application and free yourself of browser limitations.

[1]: WHATWG is ostensibly independent, but one look at the people making important commits on their Github page and it's clear from all the @google.com email addresses who is really running the show.

I've never used CoolStreaming, but I've used AceStream which is often used to pirate live sports events. These streams can have minutes worth of delay. The majority of the swarm are going to be fairly useless leechers and the initial seed problem will never go away. If you don't worry about the _LIVE_ part of the stream all of this becomes a whole lot easier.

 

[Rice Is Ready]

Dailydot?

Jesus christ if a meth'd out crack head aka Hunter Biden was jamming an ice pick into my brain I still wouldn't believe the sky was blue if they told me.

Fuck off.

No respectable media outlet would ever hire a midge. Have you ever seen a midget anchorman or journalist?