Bob Chipman / Robert Lewis Chipman / MovieBob / Game OverThinker - "Coastal Elite Thinker" who wants conservatives, Christians and manual workers eradicated. Universally ignorant; cannot tell reality from sci-fi. Sore loser with short fuse. Odious Disney shill. Tranny chaser and general creep. Fat and diabetic.

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>> Nazibob has entered the chat.
[2025.07.10-04]
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If Gunnman were any good as a movie at all, you'd expect the fans to talk more about the film itself, rather than the "messages" or worse, the "things" who hate the movie.
Correct. A Thinker™ like Moviebob might realize that to be the case.

A Nazibob double-dip:
[2025.07.10-25]
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Let's have a peek at Nazibob's inner monologue. Inner monologues such as this:
[2025.07.10-21]
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Didn't Hitler also end millions of innocent lives for "moral justice"? Asking for a friend...

A Nazibob triple-tap:
[2025.07.10-27] Bobby DEEPLY understands the urge to ruin someone else's life.
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Not surprising, given Nazibob wants to ruin the lives of 77,000,000 Americans (not to mention nearly 37,000,000 Polish citizens and 144,000,000 Russians)...

BONUS!
[2025.07.10-22] Bobby knows guns.
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The only time and place I could ever see Moviebob firing a Tommy gun is at a local MAGA convention. For "moral justice", of course.



[2025.07.10-08]
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Despite said alien works for the media, said alien actually seeks the truth. Therefore, @iancordingley's statements can easily be shrugged off as invalid.

[2025.07.10-10] A win for Gunnman is a win for empathy...




[2025.07.10-17] Traitor
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If being a traitor means "selling off your country's interests for the benefit of other countries", then Trump is indeed a traitor -- but then so was Biden and Obama.
As is Führer Hillary.

Yes, you read that correctly. Hillary Clinton is a traitor. Is. Present-tense verb.



[2025.07.10-18]
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Moviebob would approve of "refilling the federal workforce with ideologically closer cronies" is said cronies were Democrats who would problem Bob to the Superiyaa Fyuuchaa.



[2025.07.10-20] The Department of Justice has issued nearly 20 subpoenas to doctors and clinics involved in mutilating or otherwise harming children.
Why does Moviebob still pretend to care about any child's physical and psychological welfare?
 
FOR THE LAST TIME YOU STUPID FUCKS, SUPERMAN IS NOT AN "illegal" ALIEN! Superman was LEGALLY adopted as a baby by the Kents. Nothing "illegal" about him. It's not like he could have been sent back to Krypton, FFS. Hell, I'm not even sure baby in rocketship qualifies as "immigrant" in any case! A survivor of a shipwreck is not an immigrant. Someone surviving a blown-apart planet is NOT an "immigrant" when they had NO agency as to where they ended up AND nowhere to return to. Refugee, maybe. But NOT an "illegal immigrant".

See, this is why I hate it when idiots try to shoehorn political considerations into Capeshit and other media, that don't actually have anything to do with the story, just because morons have an agenda and forgot how to do allegory. Plus trying to make equivalences of Old Skool Superman comics telling kids that bigotry is wrong and un-American with the current spate of illegal migration border-crossing and saying that objecting to illegal border-crossings is wrong and Un-American is just commie propaganda.
10Jul#17
Traitor
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If being a traitor means "selling off your country's interests for the benefit of other countries", then Trump is indeed a traitor -- but then so was Biden and Obama.
Clinton absolutely fucking was a Traitor. Sold US secrets to Dykes Dykes CCP.
 
11Jul#01
Dictatorship
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11Jul#02
Illegals
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Good luck.

11Jul#03
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11Jul#04
Deep Thinking.
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As if Democrats needed Honest Bob's advice to lie their ass off!

11Jul#05
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11Jul#06
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11Jul#07
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Huh?

11Jul#08
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I can't parse this either.

11Jul#09
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Who?


11Jul#10
Bobby desperately wants to turn "Gunnman destroys internet chuds" into a meme.
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11Jul#11
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Superman isn't real.

11Jul#12a
Maul Cop.
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11Jul#12b
Someone wants to know if Superman denounces his planet in favor of ours. Bobby think it is a question in bad faith and should not be taken seriously.
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Thank you, Maul Cop, for pointing out that cultural assimilation of immigrants is a very Right Wing thing! It sounds as if Superman were one of those Canuck Injuns, doesn't it?

11Jul#13
Adam West's Batman, continued from 10Jul#13
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11Jul#14
Bobby is a chef in a Japanese restaurant.
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11Jul#15
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I would pay to see a reality TV show about the life of Igasu.

11Jul#16
Hollywood show us how they remain the pinnacle of creativity and innovation.
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11Jul#17
Big Banang Theory.
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11Jul#18
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More like "poop art".
 
11Jul#12b
Someone wants to know if Superman denounces his planet in favor of ours. Bobby think it is a question in bad faith and should not be taken seriously.
Whether he does or not is irrelevant, it's GONE.

Canonically? From the last 30 years of him I've seen in all media? He considers himself, deep down inside, to be Clark Kent, son of a Kansas farm family and American whose heritage includes Krypton and all the cultural/technological progress it had that could be salvaged, but, is not his national identity.

He only says he's Kryptonian insofar as its his genetic heritage is and to keep up his cover story as an alien-on-Earth so that nobody suspects he's even got a civilian identity, let alone try and figure it out.

He's as self-identifying as Kryptonian as much as I'm identifying (or in opposition to) Austro-Hungarian or Susquehanna Indian, even though such people were in my bloodline only a few generations back. It's not how I was raised, it's not how I ever lived or intend to live, and the Nations are fundamentally extinct anyway. If not technically than certainly politically.

It's all a pointless slap fight in the end because the question is moot/has been answered and doesn't need drug through the modern IDPOL wringer for any sane reason.
 
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Whether he does or not is irrelevant, it's GONE.

Canonically? From the last 30 years of him I've seen in all media? He considers himself, deep down inside, to be Clark Kent, son of a Kansas farm family and American whose heritage includes Krypton and all the cultural/technological progress it had that could be salvaged, but, is not his national identity.

He only says he's Kryptonian insofar as its his genetic heritage and to keep up his cover story as an alien-on-Earth so that nobody suspects he's even got a civilian identity, let alone try and figure it out.

He's as self-identifying as Kryptonian as much as I'm identifying (or in opposition to) Austro-Hungarian or Susquehanna Indian, even though such people were in my bloodline only a few generations back. It's not how I was raised, it's not how I ever lived or intend to live, and the Nations are fundamentally extinct anyway. If not technically than certainly politically.

It's all a pointless slap fight in the end because the question is moot/has been answered and doesn't need drug through the modern IDPOL wringer for any sane reason.
I just remember in the old Justice League cartoon, there was a scene where Hawkgirl says something to the affect of, "You humans are all so strange" to Superman, before realizing, that he's not in fact human, but he just shrugs it off and says he takes it as a compliment.

In the comic Superman/Batman, Clark's Kryptonian Father, Jor-El was revealed to pick Earth because of a conversation he had with Thomas Wayne of all people, where he basically asks, "why should I send my kid to Earth", and throughout, different aliens were offering money, power, etc. and Thomas wins Jor-El over with:

Thomas: I have to warn you that Earth people are not perfect. We have a tendency for misusing our gifts for war and personal gain. But I assure you, if I find your son, I will raise him and love him as my own along with my own son.

In that same series, Superman has a bit of a crisis when he finds out the US government has been stockpiling Kryptonite, because he feels betrayed that his country apparently still sees him as a threat despite the fact he's devoted his life to protecting them.

I don't think immigrants need to hate or disdain their old country, just, be in it to win it for your new one, which Clark emphatically is. One of my all time favorite Superman comics, Superman for All Seasons, is specifically about how important Clark's youth in Kansas was, and its full of this great Americana feel. Even in adaptations that play up Superman's Kryptonian heritage, the point is usually to portray Superman in a sort of messianic light, leading people to realize they can achieve more and live as better men. From the 1978 film:

Jor-El: ...they can be a great people, Kal-El; they wish to be. They only lack the light to show them the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you: my only son.

Sharing this picture again, because its one of my favorite panels of Clark just having a nice quiet moment with his father.
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11Jul#02
Illegals
typical commie propaganda, wittingly or unwittingly (I'm guessing wittingly), conflating legal immigration with "Irregular" (illegal) migration and saying if you don't want the illegal ones coming in illegally, you must hate all immigrants. There is no middle ground. In narcissistic Cluster B Clusterfuckery, this is known as "splitting". Bob does "splitting" all the damn time, that's why Republicans are All Bad and Democrats Are (mostly) All Good unless guilty of Wrongthink (See: Bob's screeds against Tulsi Gabbard, John Fetterman, and Joe Manchin). Then those (D) are seen as Secretly (R) MAGA CHUDs all along, which makes the splitting even worse.

11Jul#04
Deep Thinking.
But, Bob. The democrats DO lie. Like, ALL THE TIME. You've not given any advice they're not already taking. The fact that you can't see they're already doing all of this, well, is peak Bob.
As if Democrats needed Honest Bob's advice to lie their ass off!
MOS is a canadian idiot who doesn't realize that Libel is serious bzness.

Bob and co. underestimate the power of narcissistic lovebombing. Yeah, no surprise, cheaters are often Cluster B Clusterfucks, and those people shouldn't be in power. Not because they're cheaters, but because they're liars over and above the call of duty. Doesn't matter if they're (D) or (R). That dude is prolly charming as fuck with the mask on.

They were expecting the Communist to dress like a Hippie rather than someone straight out of Corporate America.

I can't parse this either.
As near as I can tell, Bob's for abolishing police except on Television, and thinks The Stupids ™️ can be convinced into voting for abolishing the police if they can still watch them crime drama stories on TV. It would be like watching Little House on the Prairie or Bonanza to see the horse-drawn carriages.
Nick Adams is an Aussie-born "Alpha Male Influencer" that Trump appointed as ambassador to Malaysia. Bob would call him an incel cuz he's never been married or had kids.

Superman isn't real.
Neither Bob nor the retwat actually understand what illegal immigration is OR how it works, and why Superman/Baby Kal-El most certainly is NOT an "illegal immigrant". Will some :epik: please to explain to Bob? :P

11Jul#16
Hollywood show us how they remain the pinnacle of creativity and innovation.
Bob forgets that Time Travel/Time Machines was an incredibly common plot across Saturday Morning Cartoons, pre-dating both Back to The Future and Fonz and the Happy Days Gang. He also forgets that Mork & Mindy had their own cartoon as well, as part of the Mork and Mindy Laverne and Shirly and the Fonz Hour. What was truly amazing is they got the original live action voices for most of the main cast - Henry Winkler, Pam Dawber, Robin Williams, Ralph James (Orson), Penny Marshall, and Cindy Williams.

Hell, if you want a real starting point for Time Travel with an actual time machine as a plot device, would Bob be smart enough to recognize H.G. Wells' The TIme Machine (1895)? Mark Twain did it earlier with A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, (1889) sans actual time machine.
 
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I saw Superman today.

It's a decent flick,, but it's not the second coming of whatever-the-fuck, like Bob says.
That's what I expected. I'm not going to watch it in the cinema because I'm so burnt out on superheroes. I have Disney+ and still haven't watched Captain America 4 or the new Daredevil season (Intentionally skipped The Marvels, Secret Invasion and Echo, plus a bunch of others I've forgotten). But for Bob, something he likes cannot just be good or fine, it must be important and amazing. Super Mario Bros 3 cannot just be his favorite game, it has to be the equivalent of the Sistine Chapel or Shakespeare.

13 days until Fantastic 4 comes out, I'm interested to see how his inability to enjoy two competing brands will contend with his need to simp for the mouse.
 
12Jul#01
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12Jul#02
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I don't think the average Chinese Red Guard needed to pass a test to be recruited; many of them were proud of not haven't been to schools. I don't know about Pol Pot, but Lenin and Mao read a lot, and this is exactly why they understood that a successful totalitarian regime need millions of underlings that aren't sentient enough to have funny ideas of their own.


12Jul#03
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If you are a normal human capable of real feelings, there are hundreds of thousand films you can watch instead.

12Jul#04
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12Jul#05
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12Jul#06
John Cusack is now a "Nazi". Context.
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Given Hollywood is one big jewish propaganda machine, let's see how will they make Cusack kneel on broken glass. Can Cusack pull a Mel Gibson?

12Jul#07
Slogan of a movie: "May God and your Glock protect you". Does this vigilante work on Shabbat?
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Parody trailers from The Critic turned feature? Does he mean Cocaine Bear?

12Jul#08
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[2025.07.11-02] Illegals
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Good luck.
Big difference: Immigrants who play by the rules, save their money, fill out the paperwork, and fly the U.S. flag upon gaining their U.S. citizenship are certainly welcome. Invaders who skip the line and by sneaking through unvetted and fly their home nations' flags on U.S. soil in aren't. (And a small detail: Amy Coney Barret has raised two Haitian children as her own, which means she has accommodated more immigrants than @brandonfriedman and Moviebob combined.)



[2025.07.11-03]
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NEVER. STOP. BULLYING*. MOVIEBOB.

*This would actually be "administering Justice" to Moviebob, as per Bob's own standards that it's impossible to bully a bully.



[2025.07.11-04] Deep Thinking.
LOL.

Moviebob's "honest to Bob" advice to Democrats: [speaking in angry Nazi]

As if Democrats needed Honest Bob's advice to lie their ass off!
Barack Obama (Moviebob: "Hallowed be Obama's name") told hardly anything but lies throughout his entire tenure in the White House.



[2025.07.11-05]
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If playing by the rules Leftoids set, then every time a Leftoid accuses a Conservative/Republican of being a racist and/or misogynist without presenting any evidence (as illustrated above) is a Leftist confessing about their own racism and misogyny.



[2025.07.11-07]
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Huh?
Honestly, the dude wearing a Stetson and cowboy boots leads me to the impression of a self-made man. The guy dressed as a CEO is more likely going to strike me as a socialist corporate shill politico.



[2025.07.11-11]
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Uh... no. How can Superman be an illegal alien when he was sent to Earth a baby, not aware of the circumstances behind his excursion?

Superman isn't real.
That, too.

Neither Bob nor the retwat actually understand what illegal immigration is OR how it works,...
Not do they care. Talking to them about it wouldn't be a case of"in one ear, out the other"; they wouldn't let any of the truth enter their ears in the first place.

...and why Superman/Baby Kal-El most certainly is NOT an "illegal immigrant". Will some :epik: please to explain to Bob? :P
I could try explaining it to Moviebob, but it would sound a lot like this...

...but with a higher frequency of belching and farting noises.

[2025.07.11-12a] Maul Cop.
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So says Moviebob, cynical, genocidal weirdo.

[2025.07.11-12b] Someone wants to know if Superman denounces his planet in favor of ours.
How can he when he knows nothing of his planet's history?

Bobby think [sic] it is a question in bad faith...
Translated into English: A question that Moviebob actively dodges because it's damn near impossible for Bob to answer with anything resembling coherence.
...and should not be taken seriously.
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Thank you, Maul Cop, for pointing out that cultural assimilation of immigrants is a very Right Wing thing! It sounds as if Superman were one of those Canuck Injuns, doesn't it
As an aside, Jonathan and Martha Kent have provided food as lodging more foreigners than Moviebob and Walter Chaw combined.



[2025.07.11-15]
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I would pay to see a reality TV show about the life of Igasu.
There's a very good reason why there has never been a reality TV show centered around Moviebob and family: The very the premise of such a would constitute several gross violations of the Geneva Convention.



[2025.07.11-18]
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[image redacted to prevent involuntary vomiting]
More like "poop art".
Not cool. You're insulting feces when you compare its appearance to that of Moviebob.
 
[2025.07.12-01]
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Didn't Moviebob once say something about rounding up Trump voters as slaves to construct Bob's personal spaceship?



[2025.07.12-02]
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We've seen Racistbob, Misogynistbob, Projectorbob, and Nazibob, among Bob Chipman's various personae. What we've just witnessed is the debut of Communistbob.

I don't think the average Chinese Red Guard needed to pass a test to be recruited; many of them were proud of not haven't been to schools. I don't know about Pol Pot, but Lenin and Mao read a lot, and this is exactly why they understood that a successful totalitarian regime need millions of underlings that aren't sentient enough to have funny ideas of their own.
Sounds like Communistbob would have fit in really nicely.




[2025.07.12-07]
Slogan of a movie: "May God and your Glock protect you". Does this vigilante work on Shabbat?
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Parody trailers from The Critic turned feature? Does he mean Cocaine Bear?
Given that I mentioned it within the past week (or so), I'd be down for someone literally writing a screenplay of The Merchant of Venice where everyone speaks like a surfer dude (including casting Keanu Reeves as Shylock).



[2025.07.12-08]
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So says Slopbob. (Look at that! We've seen two new Bob Chipman online identities debut on the same day!)
 
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12Jul#02
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I don't think the average Chinese Red Guard needed to pass a test to be recruited; many of them were proud of not haven't been to schools. I don't know about Pol Pot, but Lenin and Mao read a lot, and this is exactly why they understood that a successful totalitarian regime need millions of underlings that aren't sentient enough to have funny ideas of their own.
"She had thought that industrial production was a value not to be questioned by anyone; she had thought that these men's urge to expropriate the factories of others was their acknowledgment of the factories value. She, born of the industrial revolution, had not held as conceivable, had forgotten along with the tales of astrology and alchemy, what these men knew in their secret, furtive souls, knew not by means of thought, but by means of that nameless muck which they called their instincts and emotions: that so long as men struggle to stay alive, they'll never produce so little but that the man with the club won't be able to seize it and leave them still less, provided millions of them are willing to submit—that the harder their work and the less their gain, the more submissive the fiber of their spirit—that men who live by pulling levers at an electric switchboard, are not easily ruled, but men who live by digging the soil with their naked fingers, are—that the feudal baron did not need electronic factories in order to drink his brains away out of jeweled goblets, and neither did the rajahs of the People's State of India."
-Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
 
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11Jul#16
Hollywood show us how they remain the pinnacle of creativity and innovation.
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They're still making Big Bang Theory spinoffs?
I just remember in the old Justice League cartoon, there was a scene where Hawkgirl says something to the affect of, "You humans are all so strange" to Superman, before realizing, that he's not in fact human, but he just shrugs it off and says he takes it as a compliment.
One of my favorite scenes from that show was during the Christmas episode. Superman invites Martian Manhunter to his parents' place for Christmas, and when J'onn is confused by the chance in Clark's personality, Clark explains that coming home for Christmas allows him to "be himself."
I don't think immigrants need to hate or disdain their old country, just, be in it to win it for your new one, which Clark emphatically is.
I remember watching an episode of Arthur with my younger brother that was all about this kid worrying he would have to give up his home culture after his parents passed their American citizenship test. For a kid's show, it's honestly impressive that they didn't portray the kid's home country as a terrible hellhole he was glad to be away from.
But for Bob, something he likes cannot just be good or fine, it must be important and amazing. Super Mario Bros 3 cannot just be his favorite game, it has to be the equivalent of the Sistine Chapel or Shakespeare.
Remember his Godzilla: King of the Monsters review? Dude treated it like the greatest monster movie ever made.
12Jul#03
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If you are a normal human capable of real feelings, there are hundreds of thousand films you can watch instead.
I don't even like Ben Shapiro, but I would still watch a video with him tearing Bob's show apart.
12Jul#06
John Cusack is now a "Nazi". Context.
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Given Hollywood is one big jewish propaganda machine, let's see how will they make Cusack kneel on broken glass. Can Cusack pull a Mel Gibson?
Hasn't Cusack vocally defended Palestine long before the internet turned it into their next crusade?
12Jul#07
Slogan of a movie: "May God and your Glock protect you". Does this vigilante work on Shabbat?
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Action Rabbi: In Theaters December 4th, 2026.
 
Bob is really a master class in why you shouldn't attach your ego to movies and fucking fandom wars. I know he doesn't think he's part of a fandom war, he thinks he's somehow beyond it, but he isn't. He's just another fanboy. He's the Snyder fanboys from the other direction.
The practical limit to fandom is a debate you can have, but, one cannot deny wherever that line is drawn? Bobby is way way wayyyyyyy beyond it to the point that his personal politics and life choices are directly influenced, if not dictated, by the opinions of cartoon characters AND their animators, AND their producers, even if all three conflict in some way if mashed together.

One of my favorite scenes from that show was during the Christmas episode. Superman invites Martian Manhunter to his parents' place for Christmas, and when J'onn is confused by the change in Clark's personality, Clark explains that coming home for Christmas allows him to "be himself."

Going even further back, I liked the one episode in Superman TAS where Clark is "killed" while investigating a crime. He goes back to his parents place and lets them know he's still alive, but agonizes how he can't ever show his face in public as Clark again without too many questions being asked because "I'd go crazy if I had to be Superman all the time"

But now you've brought up an interesting question, how come only Superman has to justify himself to INS? The Martian Manhunter and Hawkgirl are also "alien" refugees too, but nobody seems to care about that....
 
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I don't think the average Chinese Red Guard needed to pass a test to be recruited; many of them were proud of not haven't been to schools. I don't know about Pol Pot, but Lenin and Mao read a lot, and this is exactly why they understood that a successful totalitarian regime need millions of underlings that aren't sentient enough to have funny ideas of their own.
I'd argue it's actually selectively illiterate. They'd NEVER read the likes of Thomas Sowell, Adam Smith, Hayek, etc. They'd only read their circle-jerk bias-confirming crap like Marx/Engels, Foucault, bell hooks, Derrida, Alinsky, Judith Butler, etc.

But more to the point, it's full-on exceptionalism. You'd have to be a literal LOW IQ MOFO/retard to BELIEVE enough in Communism to join the Communist Party. And then that's not even counting the absolute fucking denialist chutzpah of some of these idiots who are all "Mao/Lenin/Stalin/Pol Pot/Kim Il Sung etc Weren't Doing a True Scotsman Communism" and completely ignoring the misery and suffering that inevitably accompanied communist rule. Like, how narcissistic do you have to be, to believe YOU can succeed where EVERYBODY ELSE had failed?

Not only that, Communist higher-ups are almost 100% psychopaths/sociopaths, and they recruit same for their underlings for THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS tactics for which they happily engage in with zero remorse. So, Dev would probably be better off saying that you'd have to be a psychopathic retard (or just a retard Feeler ™️ ) to [want to] be a Communist.

Uh... no. How can Superman be an illegal alien when he was sent to Earth a baby, not aware of the circumstances behind his excursion?
Exactly. Bob and his senpais are so exceptional that they don't understand how "illegal immigration" works. Even the "intent" of his parents is irrelevant. A ship coming in from the sky can't exactly stop at a border crossing that the parents had NO IDEA existed. Depending on when Baby Kal-El reached earth, there may not have been any meaningful concept of "illegal immigration" when he landed, anyway! The situation of a person landing in another country after a shipwreck after fleeing a sinking/exploding island would apply - that's not an immigrant - illegal or otherwise. I have seen people refer to Superman as a refugee, and that's way more accurate than this bullshit claim that he's an "Illegal Alien".

Sounds like Communistbob would have fit in really nicely.
the dichotomy of the cognitive dissonance of Bob on one hand liking his stuff and wanting to keep his stuff, and wanting to get in with what he perceives as "cool kids" in Breadtube, who WILL take away His Stuff, is beyond insane on Bob's part.
 
But now you've brought up an interesting question, how come only Superman has to justify himself to INS? The Martian Manhunter and Hawkgirl are also "alien" refugees too, but nobody seems to care about that....
Because Superman is one of the most famous superheroes of all time. Nobody knows who Martian Manhunter is, but Superman is iconic. Further, for years he was a symbol of America, so he has to be torn down (or made distinct from America) by people like Gunn.
 
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