Boeing Troubles - One of the world's largest aerospace manufacturers keeps having problems with their planes.

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Incidentally, the USSF has been busy. They've got their own uniforms and rank insignia now. This is the current Chief Master Sergeant of the Air force

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Discerning eyes will note the extreme deviation of from the normal Air Force Master Sergeant Chevrons. Also, the right sided buttons. This is military autism 101, but when a service does this and its approved, that service is on the upswing. NASA is in major fucking trouble here, and the desperation to save the Boeing Program may be less about Boeing and more about saving NASA's shit. Especially as we enter an era in which combat in earth Orbit is becoming not just likely, but potentially necessary.

The Space force has since conception been doing independent operations in Earth Orbit and has frozen NASA out of most of its projects. If NASA Bungles the Civilian side of things spectacularly, they are fucked, because there is no retreat position for them. The USSF already has the Military and Government side of things on lock and if NASA shows it can't deliver even the rudimentary level of support for critical national security operations the USSF is going to demand authority to have its OWN cargo haulers and sub orbital launchers. And contracts with SpaceX and Boeing.
They ripped that design straight from Star Trek, the entire suit, and i am so happy...

But yes, Space Force, while a meme at first, has been quietly in the background doing really fucking well. It isn't every day a new military branch is established. They haven't really made any boneheaded mistakes, and they haven't had rockets blowing up, missions have been going on as planned, so they're set to if anything absorb NASA soon.
Starliner is fucked man. They are canning that shitbox. No way another one goes up.
 
Starliner is fucked man. They are canning that shitbox. No way another one goes up.
“We’ve learned a lot about the spacecraft during its journey to the station and its docked operations. We also will continue to gather more data about Starliner during the uncrewed return and improve the system for future flights to the space station.”
“The NASA and Boeing teams have completed a tremendous amount of testing and analysis, and this flight test is providing critical information on Starliner’s performance in space. Our efforts will help prepare for the uncrewed return and will greatly benefit future corrective actions for the spacecraft.”

NASA’s Commercial Crew Program requires spacecraft fly a crewed test flight to prove the system is ready for regular flights to and from the space station. Following Starliner’s return, the agency will review all mission-related data to inform what additional actions are required to meet NASA’s certification requirements.
It's highly likely that it will. What they can do next is send up another unmanned flight, but with cargo in it. This is a way to give Boeing another couple hundred million$, save face, and keep their side of the Commercial Crew program alive and kicking. I wouldn't rule out future manned flights either.

My sense is that, in the case of a successful autonomous undocking, NASA will work with Boeing to get Starliner flying. One option that has been mentioned is flying a cargo supply mission on Starliner, which would effectively allow NASA to "pay" for another uncrewed test flight of the vehicle. Publicly, NASA officials have not said whether a nominal autonomous return would clear the way for its crew to fly on Starliner's next mission. What does seem increasingly clear is that the next crewed Starliner mission probably won't happen before 2026.
 
They ripped that design straight from Star Trek, the entire suit, and i am so happy...
They know the jokes won't ever stop, so they might as well lean into it. NGL, its a really fucking cool dress uniform. Really dig the Deep Space Black color too. Snazzy. I bet getting those Buttons to perfectly align is a tremendous pain in the ass though. A big benefit to having the buttons there though is that the cut of the suit doesn't get in the way of the Fruit Salad.
 
They know the jokes won't ever stop, so they might as well lean into it. NGL, its a really fucking cool dress uniform. Really dig the Deep Space Black color too. Snazzy. I bet getting those Buttons to perfectly align is a tremendous pain in the ass though. A big benefit to having the buttons there though is that the cut of the suit doesn't get in the way of the Fruit Salad.
As someone who's intro to Star Trek was the old movies and TOS, I am glad they went the extra mile. And just looking at how they conduct themselves compared to NASA... yeah, diversity and such isn't on the menu nearly as much. Boeing is though with the X-37 program. This thing, the mini drone shuttle:
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If there have been problems, neither the previous operator, the Air Force, nor the Space Force has said much. It seems the military gets the good shit while the NASA astronauts get the junkyard special. Though it might also have to do with the timeframe. They only built three, one A model, two B models, with the latter around 2010. Boeing to my memory was having issues with the Dreamliner batteries, but hadn't gone to total shit yet.
 
I wasn't even aware that Space Force had sent anyone into space yet, I don't come across a lot of information on it.

When do they plan to send the Starliner down? I imagine they want to do more missions but I believe the ship will fail on re-entry and burn up.
 
I wasn't even aware that Space Force had sent anyone into space yet, I don't come across a lot of information on it.
They've sent a couple people up on SpaceX rockets. A key point to note in searching about it is the Space Force doesn't call their orbital personele "Astronauts". They call them "Guardians".
 
They've sent a couple people up on SpaceX rockets. A key point to note in searching about it is the Space Force doesn't call their orbital personele "Astronauts". They call them "Guardians".
My biggest issue with the Space Force is the lame ass names they are coming up with.

To be on topic: haha get fucked Boeing.
 
When do they plan to send the Starliner down? I imagine they want to do more missions but I believe the ship will fail on re-entry and burn up.
Soon, maybe within a week. I thought I read September 2nd somewhere. They want it to land safely just as if it had astronauts in it. If the thruster issues prevent them from even doing that, then they may decide to burn it.

They've sent a couple people up on SpaceX rockets. A key point to note in searching about it is the Space Force doesn't call their orbital personele "Astronauts". They call them "Guardians".
I haven't heard of Space Force personnel going anywhere in space. Here's the full list of Crew Dragon missions:


Space Force Guardians are mostly satellite shepherds, unless they are doing something really top secret. X-37B looks like a Shuttle but is unmanned.
 
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Here's something I hadn't considered at all:

NASA’s Starliner decision was the right one, but it’s a crushing blow for Boeing (archive)
So where does this leave Boeing with its multibillion contract? Can the company fulfill the breadth of its commercial crew contract with NASA before the space station's scheduled retirement in 2030? It now seems that there is little chance of Boeing flying six more Starliner missions without a life extension for the ISS. Tellingly, perhaps, NASA has only placed firm orders with Boeing for three Starliner flights once the agency certifies the spacecraft for operational use.

The disastrous OFT-1 was in December 2019, OFT-2 was in May 2022, CFT finally launched June 5, 2024. It seems unlikely that they will hit 6 real flights before the ISS is deorbited to die a fiery death.

Lulz:
https://spacenews.com/starliner-to-return-from-iss-without-astronauts-on-board/ (archive)
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Here's something I hadn't considered at all:

NASA’s Starliner decision was the right one, but it’s a crushing blow for Boeing (archive)


The disastrous OFT-1 was in December 2019, OFT-2 was in May 2022, CFT finally launched June 5, 2024. It seems unlikely that they will hit 6 real flights before the ISS is deorbited to die a fiery death.

Lulz:
https://spacenews.com/starliner-to-return-from-iss-without-astronauts-on-board/ (archive)
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Boeing Sisters, we can't lose to the Musk Bros! Not like this!
 
Boeing is though with the X-37 program. This thing, the mini drone shuttle:
The X-37 predates most of Boeing's current woes and the program is run by their defense and space branch. Then agian, BDS has their own issues with the KC-46 and it's refueling system. They had to redesign the boom twice and now the fuel tanks leak.
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Boeing to my memory was having issues with the Dreamliner batteries, but hadn't gone to total shit yet.
Li-Ion batteries are not allowed as air freight, but the FAA gave Boeing permission to use one for the system battery. It ended exactly how anyone with a brain thought it would
 
Starliner is currently in Earth's gravitational well, so for them to "miss" Earth, they'd have to be uncontestably stupid.

$500 says they do anyway.
Well orbit is a bit of a newtonian continuous miss, but yea exceeding escape velocity and forever hurtling away from earth would be interesting. If it exploded whilst still fully in orbit then fragments of it doing so wouldn't necessarily be unusual.
 
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