Boeing Troubles - One of the world's largest aerospace manufacturers keeps having problems with their planes.

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Montalbane said:
Are they so deep in the sunk cost fallacy that they have to keep hiring mandeep to sunk their planes on a coast?
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Boeing is in the process of becoming Lockheed Martin, which is a company with 30 lawyers for every engineer. Because if you want obscene profits and refuced risk, your only customer has to be uncle Sam.
 
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TrinityReformed said:
>gets salty that china is making their own planes and preferring Airbus over Boeing lately
>punishes the rest of the world by hiring more pajeets.
I'm looking at the shit going on globally and I have to ask, am I witnessing an equivalent to the bronze-age collapse in real-time?
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we probably won't fall all the way to the bronze age, maybe the steam age at most.
 
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Some context. Both companies are technically using "flight suits" that aren't capable of spacewalking, but do provide limited protection in the case of some minor emergencies.

https://www.adastraspace.com/p/boeing-spacex-spacesuits-compatible (archive)
The second is a suit used within a spacecraft, they’re called different things, often a launch and entry suit. These are much more lightweight, less rigid and softer, mainly designed to protect the crew in case of a loss of oxygen, fire, that sort of thing, within the capsule.
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Wearing a launch and entry suit during re-entry is just a safety precaution. If something goes wrong during re-entry, and there is a depressurization of the spacecraft, wearing the suits will offer some measure of protection. Astronauts don’t actually have to wear the suits to come back safely — it’s just one of the ways NASA mitigates risk and cuts down on the odds of loss of crew. In an emergency, crew can and will absolutely come home unsuited if necessary.
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And this is why NASA was talking about a possible unsuited re-entry for Butch and Suni during the media conference last week (which is something a lot of people freaked out about). It’s not a huge deal, in terms of it’s only for a emergency situation and only for a short period of time, as I’ll explain.
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The suit isn't going to help you in a Space Shuttle Columbia scenario, and they could go without it, but it could be helpful enough to mitigate a minor issue.

If they go with SpaceX to bring them back, I assume they'll bring up two empty suits tailored to fit.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Some context. Both companies are technically using "flight suits" that aren't capable of spacewalking, but do provide limited protection in the case of some minor emergencies.

https://www.adastraspace.com/p/boeing-spacex-spacesuits-compatible (archive)




The suit isn't going to help you in a Space Shuttle Columbia scenario, and they could go without it, but it could be helpful enough to mitigate a minor issue.

If they go with SpaceX to bring them back, I assume they'll bring up two empty suits tailored to fit.
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1. had they bothered they were perfectly capable of designing the suits in a way that they were backwards compatible with previous spacecrafts, maybe with some modifications that can be done in space. That would have been the practical ideal, but Boeign is too prideful and terrible to ever cooperate.
2. the suits are not just tailored, but customized in a way that there would need to be test fitting and revisions before actual use. problably.
 
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Betonhaus said:
1. had they bothered they were perfectly capable of designing the suits in a way that they were backwards compatible with previous spacecrafts, maybe with some modifications that can be done in space. That would have been the practical ideal, but Boeign is too prideful and terrible to ever cooperate.
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I'd call it a NASA failure rather than Boeing. They allowed it, SpaceX did the same as Boeing, and it's not unusual in the first place.
 
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NASA probably had some boneheaded idea about "encouraging Competition" rather then creating an industry standard. Well, fuck that. NASA is retarded. There should be an industry standard. All widgets, sockets, suits, plugs, wrenches, wires, and so on in space should be compatible with each other. The competition should not be in the different standards. It should be in how best those standards are deployed. If NASA wanted to experiment, the place to do it was on the ground. Not in space.

I am blaming making them a "civilian" agency over a "military" agency for this one. No way in HELL any Flag ranked officer worth his stars would ever have signed off on a "competition" for incompatible equipment to be deployed in the field where lives are on the line. This Boeing fiasco is becoming less an embarssment for Boeing and more an excuse for the Pentagon to jump on the table and scream "See, See, these retarded scientists have been playing fast and loose for years because they want to""see what happens"" at the expense of national security and the lives of our personnel".

Space Force Bro's, the jokes may be over.

Incidentally, the USSF has been busy. They've got their own uniforms and rank insignia now. This is the current Chief Master Sergeant of the Air force

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Discerning eyes will note the extreme deviation of from the normal Air Force Master Sergeant Chevrons. Also, the right sided buttons. This is military autism 101, but when a service does this and its approved, that service is on the upswing. NASA is in major fucking trouble here, and the desperation to save the Boeing Program may be less about Boeing and more about saving NASA's shit. Especially as we enter an era in which combat in earth Orbit is becoming not just likely, but potentially necessary.

The Space force has since conception been doing independent operations in Earth Orbit and has frozen NASA out of most of its projects. If NASA Bungles the Civilian side of things spectacularly, they are fucked, because there is no retreat position for them. The USSF already has the Military and Government side of things on lock and if NASA shows it can't deliver even the rudimentary level of support for critical national security operations the USSF is going to demand authority to have its OWN cargo haulers and sub orbital launchers. And contracts with SpaceX and Boeing.
 
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Cards on the table: Are Butch and Suni coming home on Starliner or Crew Dragon? (archive)
What does seem clear is that Wilmore and Williams will accept NASA's decision this weekend. In other words, they're not going to stage a revolt in space. They trust NASA officials to make the right safety decision, whatever it ends up being. (So, for that matter, does Ars.)
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I believe Nelson really will have the final say, and I don't think there will be much, if any, meddling from higher-level political officials. At the same time, Nelson cannot help but consider the political implications of NASA losing a crew a little more than two months before a consequential presidential election.
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Boeing's position on Starliner has been clear for a while. The company is confident in its vehicle. At times, it has seemed like Boeing Starliner Program Manager Mark Nappi has been overconfident. As early as July 10, he said he expected that Starliner's thruster problems would be resolved "by the end of next week." Nappi has also chastised the media for suggesting that Starliner's crew might fly home in a different vehicle. As a reporter, it has become difficult to take Boeing's Starliner messaging at face value. Perhaps because of this, Nappi has been sidelined from NASA's last two Starliner media briefings.
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Probably one of the last big arsetickles about this before the decision is announced.
 
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