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There's a thread on 4/pol/ right now that has the Shaun video as a topic, and Vaush's Alt Hype response got brought up. Apparently he's put out some of his notes already. I'm really fucking tempted to go through and pick at this myself but apparently he's going to be publishing it in video form eventually, so I might just wait for that.
I don't even like the characterization of race science by people like Alt Hype or the Alt-Right in general, because I think they have very flawed premises. But stupid shit like this makes my head whirl, and I'm baffled that someone who could put so much effort into researching this topic say something so dumb.
"Heritability estimates are also inherently limited because they do not convey any information regarding whether genes or environment play a larger role in the development of the trait under study."
This is fundamentally not true, you absolutely can figure out the proportions by which genes or environment are responsible for a trait.* And what do you fucking know, the article he uses to try to justify this claim pretty much just denies heritability as a statistical concept in its near totality.
"The term ‘heritability,’ as it is used today in human behavioral genetics, is one of the most misleading in the history of science. Contrary to popular belief, the measurable heritability of a trait does not tell us how ‘genetically inheritable’ that trait is. Further, it does not inform us about what causes a trait, the relative influence of genes in the development of a trait, or the relative influence of the environment in the development of a trait. Because we already know that genetic factors have significant influence on the development of all human traits, measures of heritability are of little value, except in very rare cases. We, therefore, suggest that continued use of the term does enormous damage to the public understanding of how human beings develop their individual traits and identities."
In short, parts of this document seem to be engaging in damn near science denialism. I can only hope the video does a better job, and doesn't make me cringe to death.
Also because I have this in image form I don't have access to some of the links, if anyone has a copy or access to the links I'd appreciate it getting sent my way.
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Went back over this, to clarify, heritability determines what proportion genes are responsible for the variance in a population. But regardless, yes heritability can be used to determine "whether genes or environment play a larger role in the development of the trait under study". Even without getting into IQ we can look at traits such as depression which has about a 0.3 heritability, this would suggest that environment is more to do with the variance in a population. In other words, environment most likely has a much bigger effect on depression occurring than genes.
I don't even like the characterization of race science by people like Alt Hype or the Alt-Right in general, because I think they have very flawed premises. But stupid shit like this makes my head whirl, and I'm baffled that someone who could put so much effort into researching this topic say something so dumb.
"Heritability estimates are also inherently limited because they do not convey any information regarding whether genes or environment play a larger role in the development of the trait under study."
This is fundamentally not true, you absolutely can figure out the proportions by which genes or environment are responsible for a trait.* And what do you fucking know, the article he uses to try to justify this claim pretty much just denies heritability as a statistical concept in its near totality.
"The term ‘heritability,’ as it is used today in human behavioral genetics, is one of the most misleading in the history of science. Contrary to popular belief, the measurable heritability of a trait does not tell us how ‘genetically inheritable’ that trait is. Further, it does not inform us about what causes a trait, the relative influence of genes in the development of a trait, or the relative influence of the environment in the development of a trait. Because we already know that genetic factors have significant influence on the development of all human traits, measures of heritability are of little value, except in very rare cases. We, therefore, suggest that continued use of the term does enormous damage to the public understanding of how human beings develop their individual traits and identities."
In short, parts of this document seem to be engaging in damn near science denialism. I can only hope the video does a better job, and doesn't make me cringe to death.
Also because I have this in image form I don't have access to some of the links, if anyone has a copy or access to the links I'd appreciate it getting sent my way.
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Went back over this, to clarify, heritability determines what proportion genes are responsible for the variance in a population. But regardless, yes heritability can be used to determine "whether genes or environment play a larger role in the development of the trait under study". Even without getting into IQ we can look at traits such as depression which has about a 0.3 heritability, this would suggest that environment is more to do with the variance in a population. In other words, environment most likely has a much bigger effect on depression occurring than genes.
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Well it's Ian, so I'm going to guess it's going to be much worse.
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I don't mind alternate viewpoints, but I do mind "well ackshually" posting in a thread about the drama surrounding people that /r/breadtube is obsessed with. If you want to call half the people discussed here liberals, that's fine. We all know that most of the people in BreadTube and on the subreddit are succdems. But as long as /r/breadtube, the initial focus of this thread, keeps posting about Secular Talk and TYT, they're relevant. Because otherwise I'm not seeing how you're any different from the people who were getting very defensive of Sargon when his thread was first made.
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Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh So that’s why China hates Rose Tico(aside from her being a horribly written character)
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Probably one of the greatest reversals in history, it's genuinely amusing that they don't hate our guts. Even considering we lost the Vietnam war, we still won in a sense.
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IDK if you can't read or what but what you said had nothing to do with the content of my post, which are that hugboxes are gay. I said this because someone claimed people were "whiteknighting" BT. The people in the first few pages of Sargon were trying to stifle the continuance of the thread by declaring Carl not an lolcow. Please tell me where I have done anything similar. Pretty sure I have done the complete opposite, therefore your post is dumb.
You also seemed to lack the entire context as to why people listed the channels and their subscribers as there was a minor debate about the popularity and trend capability of "breadtube" on Youtube. Labelling TYT as breadtube or as to having anything to do with it is retarded was the point. The reddit barely even posts TYT vids. Doing a search, the last time a TYT vid was posted was a month ago and it has 0 comments. The majority of the time a TYT vid was posted, there was very little or no comments. They will post Seculartalk vids tho, but that isn't the theme of the subreddit. The majority of the content posted on there is far left. I'm pretty sure the majority of people on there are further left than soc dem.
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I wasn't just responding to that one post, I just quoted it because you rightfully got rated MATI. I just think you need to take a major chill pill, stop revenge rating, and realize that lolcow threads are kind of negative by nature. That's why there's several stipulations across the site that you shouldn't enter threads about people you like. These threads aren't supposed to be political battlegrounds, they're supposed to be people uniting together to laugh at a particular subject. And some dude very obviously outrage posting about people who disliked a Shaun vid needing virtual stimulation is shitting up the thread for no reason and we get into page long arguments about stupid shit if this happens constantly.
Personally, I'd be fine banning any content that isn't about the subreddit itself, but this thread has evolved to the point that anyone they suck off (or talk about) is worthy of mention at this point. So, whatever, if TYT and Secular Talk are relevant to the discussion, who cares if they're brought up. We don't need constant arguments on liberals vs communists. Because if you've hung around BreadTube for even a passing minute, you'd know that it's full to the brim with RadLibs. Like you said, Contra is hardly far-left anymore, but the sub still loves her.
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You need to learn how to read bro. My argument was that TYT shouldn't be labeled breadtube in peoples breatube lists. It had nothing to do with people talking about TYT in this thread (which they don't even do). Contra has a real association with breadtube, TYT doesn't. This is common sense shit.
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And that dude said that it included people who BreadTube has a tendency to watch, too. And they often do watch Secular Talk and Lindsay Ellis, despite her content often having nothing to do with political rants and her almost certainly not being full far-left. Destiny was reasonably popular in /r/BreadTube, too, at least in regards to debating people on the alt-right. In fact, people turning against him was a huge saga and it's part of why he's so autistic about the whole community. You seem insistent on everyone being a communist or socialist in BreadTube lists, but that makes no sense because there are tons of social democrats and center-left channels that BreadTube speds like. For instance, Three Arrows. Or, like you said earlier, Contrapoints.
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You seem to really have no clue what you are talking about.
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Several BreadTubers are straight up not far-left. I don't understand why you're denying it, to be honest.
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I swear, if you two get my thread plagued...
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You might be talking about the fact that the lesbian he was living with moved out and they both "agreed" that she would get the shard Shaun and Jen twitch channel. As far as I've read he now streams on his own Twitch channel and it isn't as popular as Jen's, some people speculate that the reason she moved is that Shaun was getting kind of creepy.
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I guess you missed the part in my post where I said Contrapoints seems to no longer be a leftist but is still breadtube. The subreddit is overtly leftist. The theme is not liberalism like TYT or Destiny.
He said a whole lot of nothing in this video. Not sure how it is a BTFO.
The first half of the video is him sperging over a smug comment from Sean about skulls. He then starts to sperg about another smug comment in the second half over low IQs being sent to the gas chamber. Althype pretends that Shaun did not flat out say that Nazis did not use IQ tests, when he did. Shaun said the Nazis didn't trust IQ tests due to it being jewish. It is stupid anyway because American progressives sterilized mentally re-tarded people based on IQ. The whole point was that it is bad when governments start to care about IQ or general intelligence because of what it can lead to. Nazis killed the mentally re-tarded. Althype seems to pretend that they didn't. If you have to re-write history to make a point, you are probably re-tarded yourself.
Nazi Official Says Volunteers Killed the Retarded - The New York Times
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What a leap of logic. I guess South Koreans are white then since @Jarolleon didn't mention them?
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Holy shit my dude, yes this. That whole IQ Nazi bit from Hype was dumb.
I fucking hate that Alt Hype goes full retard so much, he’s smarter than most but goddamn he’s close to full wonk.
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All right I was wathcing flamencos piss stream on the vaush and sargon debate and and he introduced me to this amazing video
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Vaush v. Sargon Debate Compilation
Vaush looks like a slug tbh Audio is a bit fucky on this, partially my bad and partially the fact that Vaush was screeching into his mic for the majority of ...
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