BreadTube - The Unofficial ContraPoints Dickriders Club and the culture / drama surrounding the community.

[IAmNotAlpharius]

I went to a normie uni and only took the basic philosophy 101 course and while it obviously isn't a deep dive into the subject I at least understand the general ideas of kant, descartes, nietzsche, rand, dewey, kierkegaard and such. I even know what actual bad faith criticism and the principle of charity is, which is something that most youtubers and debate bros fail to understand.

What annoys me the most about philosophy tube is that he claims to be a philosopher but does nothing except explain different subjects at a surface level. He refuses to engage in debates, doesn't write or present any arguments either. But I guess that would be the hard work and olly would rather waste his time designing costumes and sets instead of researching and writing.

A lot of the weirdness of YouTube intellectuals can be understood by narcissists being perfect examplars of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. The worst channels will build up a cult of personality around an individual for their “knowledge” but the truth is that they’re just saying what the audience wants to hear, usually political. They’re emotionally validating the audience and making them feel smarter and therefore better than normies. The audience in turn strokes their ego. The two best examples imo are Contrapoints and Sargon post-GamerGate but pre-Brexit.

If one thinks about it too, when someone is interested in a subject and they study it a lot they’ll realize that there are others who know more. With history at least if someone thought of some thesis they could likely find others who had the same or similar idea even 50 years ago. Like even if they love a subject there’s some literal autist out there who specializes in some niche of it and there are so many niches that it’s impossible to know all of them. It can also be a pretty humbling experience to have a draft of a paper one has slaved over get ripped apart by someone who knows just as much if not more. So, anyone whose gone through that and claims to be an expert in everything is likely an extremely deluded narcissist who still hasn’t gotten the memo.

This is also true of those in stem and not just history and philosophy. In fact I’d argue it’s even more true because if someone really is a top chemist or hacker or whatever they could be getting paid doing a lot more to the point that even doing YouTube as a hobby would be dubious, especially since they’d most likely be working a lot of weird hours/overtime and would have to be tard wrangled in order to comply with their NDAs. Even if they somehow were allowed to sperg on YouTube about their field they likely wouldn’t have the time to Tweet all day, run a consistent YouTube channel, and constantly shit post online.

In contrast I’ve found that the most useful channels for learning about a subject don’t focus on the channel creator but on the subject. They may have political opinions but they aren’t constantly defending them or trying to debunk others, but rather they focus entirely on the subject. These channels also frequently admit to being wrong on something and they don’t claim to be the definitive source of knowledge. They aren’t selling anything to make someone feel better about themselves but are just autistically fixated on a particular subject.

 

[Woke Blue Muttlema]

Well... when has that ever really mattered? “Authenticity” isn’t always pretty lol
I feel there’s a web or tree that showcases who encouraged who to go trans, one that intersects. How far? who knows? But I feel Taxxon is possible influence in regards to Quinton.
I believe it can go either way with Quinton at this point.

I personally believe there is a bigger chance of Quinton waifuing Taxxon or one of his fans and him being an enby than he himself going trans. Even if you just swallow tiddie skittles it still requires some effort Q does not seem to be able to do.

 

[Retrodogkiller]

It’s just another performance for him. He’ll probably go back to normal soon enough, once the theatre industry drags itself out of the grave and he can go back to the career he actually cares about.

While I'm 100% this is all an act for olly, transitioning back would be career suicide for him, both on the YouTube and acting front. He'll probably just commit suicide from the pressure before admitting he did it for validation and attention.

 

[Anti Fun Aktion]

While I'm 100% this is all an act for olly, transitioning back would be career suicide for him, both on the YouTube and acting front. He'll probably just commit suicide from the pressure before admitting he did it for validation and attention.

Yeah who knows what's in store for Ollie but it goes to show the grift is good on the youtube sphere.

 

[scathefire]

Oliver must know these numbers, and if he didn't, he could've easily looked them up before he wrote his stupid Declaration of War Against TERFLandia. So why is Oliver deliberately lying about this, presenting the UK as being supposedly this incredibly trans-inhospitable place? Because he's utterly full of shit, is why.

The UK government is more progressive than the US government in regards to trans issues, and yet for some reason the UK is highlighted as some exceptionally bad example of transphobia or something. I can believe that there are more terfs in their general population, but for the most part that seems to be ineffective against their government. I know there was some recent ruling in the UK that was called transphobic though, so I guess that might be changing.

I personally do not find the fact that Nyk and Oliver no longer follow each other on Twitter to be significant. I am pretty sure Nyk was one of the first people who knew about Oliver's transition. I suspect it was Oliver himself who asked Nyk to delete these tweets.

Why isn't it significant? And for what reason would Olly tell him to delete those tweets? The most obvious explanation still seems to be that for whatever reason, they've stopped being friends.

I wonder if people will still find Olly attractive post-troonout. Probably not, because for whatever reason his fans desperately wanted to fuck his frumpy dad-bod, not what he is now.

I personally believe there is a bigger chance of Quinton waifuing Taxxon or one of his fans and him being an enby than he himself going trans. Even if you just swallow tiddie skittles it still requires some effort Q does not seem to be able to do.
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Ew, you can see his tiny HRT tits. I think he even tweeted that he's got B-cups now. Supposedly.


Also, I didn't think this before but I think Gutian might be turning into a bit of a tankie. Might be.

 

[EyelessMC]

I personally believe there is a bigger chance of Quinton waifuing Taxxon or one of his fans and him being an enby than he himself going trans. Even if you just swallow tiddie skittles it still requires some effort Q does not seem to be able to do.
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Oh man... Have you ever been swallowing a drink or just moving your tongue in your mouth and suddenly you see something so repulsive you regret having mouth sensation? That face right there made the yogurt in my mouth taste horrendous. It's like trying to eat something but then your buddy pulls up Liveleak or types in meatspin on your computer

 

[Emperor Julian]

Considering how tankes feel about coddled middle class people and trans people that would be interesting.

 

[Guntkvd]

Breadtube types should stick to talking about commie shit instead of trying to corner media essay market. It's like walking a minefield of retardation when your click recommendations. The last two essays i saw where about The Thing flopping because straight people were afraid of aids and da homos, and the second one was about Simpsons, where the half of the time he was sperging about nuclear family and far right.

 

[Citation Checking Project]

Also, I didn't think this before but I think Gutian might be turning into a bit of a tankie. Might be.

Funny you say that because he went marxist-leninist just the other day...

Lily Simpson on Twitter: "I think I might be an ML"

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[broadrod31]

While I'm 100% this is all an act for olly, transitioning back would be career suicide for him, both on the YouTube and acting front. He'll probably just commit suicide from the pressure before admitting he did it for validation and attention.

I don’t know about that. I think he could easily reframe it as a spin on the subject of detransitioners, “See? I transitioned to and back, and I’M totally fine. This whole detransition scare is all bullocks!”
If anything else he could claim non-binary status and casually go back to Abby to save face too.

 

[Retrodogkiller]

I don’t know about that. I think he could easily reframe it as a spin on the subject of detransitioners, “See? I transitioned to and back, and I’M totally fine. This whole detransition scare is all bullocks!”
If anything else he could claim non-binary status and casually go back to Abby to save face too.

I just don't see it playing out well for someone whose coming out video was insanely fluffy, received lots of media attention, and was politics heavy. A lot of lefttube, especially the transactivism side of lefttube do not like detransitioners at all. Especially since it gives validity to the claim that rise of trooning in the west is just a societal trend full of autogynephiles.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

Oliver pulled the "I'm still the same person" excuse to comfort his grieving cult-members that "miss [deadname]" in /r/MensLib:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/l8xzhn/a_previously_identifying_male_role_model_of_mine/glve0g2/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Then why the fuck transition if you're gonna be the same arrogant, pompous, insufferable, agitpropping snob asshole you were before? Because you get to unlist Livestreams when you troon out, especially the ones where you admit having never experienced gender dysphoria?

Contra dropped out of the Masters degree in Philosophy no?

No, Nyk has a master's degree from Georgetown. Nyk was pursuing a philosophy PhD degree for two years at Northwestern, then he dropped out midway. He's been flip-flopping on the reason for his early dropping out. Was it the alcoholism? Was it his sudden boredom with philosophy? Or was it the feminist woke mob that cancelled professor Peter Ludlow in his philosophy department, which sex scadal made Nyk realize he wasn't going to have as easy a time taking undergrads to his dorm at Northwestern as he was previously used to doing at Georgetown? Your guess as good as anyone else's.

It’s just another performance for him. He’ll probably go back to normal soon enough, once the theatre industry drags itself out of the grave and he can go back to the career he actually cares about.

I don't think so. I think the fact that Oliver went and deleted his entire @ollythorn Twitter account (instead of renaming it to @abigailthorn and keeping it), which was his professional stage actor's account, I interpreted that as his "farewell acting career, it was nice knowing ya" gesture.

 

[scathefire]

I don't think so. I think the fact that Oliver went and deleted his entire @ollythorn Twitter account (instead of renaming it to @abigailthorn and keeping it), which was his professional stage actor's account, I interpreted that as his "farewell acting career, it was nice knowing ya" gesture.

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Nah, this isn't true. Is it gonna be harder for him to get acting jobs now because he doesn't 100% pass as a woman? At least, I don't think he does. He still passes better than Contra though despite all the work Contra's had done, which is kinda sad.

 

[Flamenco]

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Nah, this isn't true. Is it gonna be harder for him to get acting jobs now because he doesn't 100% pass as a woman? At least, I don't think he does. He still passes better than Contra though despite all the work Contra's had done, which is kinda sad.

On Cuck Island? Yeah, no, this will actually likely see PT get alot more gigs, if only out of fear of dealing with the tism storm/bad press.

 

[SheerHeartAttack]

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Nah, this isn't true. Is it gonna be harder for him to get acting jobs now because he doesn't 100% pass as a woman? At least, I don't think he does. He still passes better than Contra though despite all the work Contra's had done, which is kinda sad.

What's he talking about? He's LARPing as a woman full time now. He should be a shoe-in for any acting job!

 

[Schatzi Katze]

While I'm 100% this is all an act for olly, transitioning back would be career suicide for him, both on the YouTube and acting front. He'll probably just commit suicide from the pressure before admitting he did it for validation and attention.

Hey, he COULD galaxy brain all of us and have a whole de-trans saga busting open the ridiculousness of the trans rights movement as a whole. But that's some optimistic nonsense rofl. He's just going to slowly lose followers as the rabid left moves to the next cause to froth at the mouth at.

 

[гape]

you start to get the idea that the Trans Rights Movement as it is currently is really an intentional trap laid to divide the left, and to further put down natal women. Jussayin.

and for our master plan, we will get these nasty perverts to put on dresses so they can jerk off to shit smells in the bathroom and we can oppress women forever, muahahaha

 

[Mr E. Grifter]

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Nah, this isn't true. Is it gonna be harder for him to get acting jobs now because he doesn't 100% pass as a woman? At least, I don't think he does. He still passes better than Contra though despite all the work Contra's had done, which is kinda sad.

Honestly, unless they want someone to play the role of a tranny I don't see this working out. To my memory, I can't think of a single example where someone trans played someone who wasn't in UK media - this is due to it being super uncommon, and because if and when it has happened that actor will pass.

If I write a screenplay I'd rather not have the fact they hired one of the ugly sisters from Shrek to distract from the actual story.

 

[broadrod31]

I just don't see it playing out well for someone whose coming out video was insanely fluffy, received lots of media attention, and was politics heavy. A lot of lefttube, especially the transactivism side of lefttube do not like detransitioners at all. Especially since it gives validity to the claim that rise of trooning in the west is just a societal trend full of autogynephiles.

Not necessarily all of lefttube. Copshatemoe (a up and coming lefty tuber) cites a detransitioner in their JK video in a positive light. IIRC, lefttube in general only shrugs them off rather than showing strong destain. And the few detransitioners I’ve seen on YouTube aren’t even anti-trans.

I just can’t help but to think it’s plausible for him to successfully spin that scenario in some asinine hour and a half long video lol “Maybe I was hasty with my transition, but I think it speaks volumes that I’ve had a huge positive influence on my trans viewers ”. Or hell, play victim and claim he didn’t feel safe trooning out on terf island.

 

[Dogfacefuke]

If I write a screenplay I'd rather not have the fact they hired one of the ugly sisters from Shrek to distract from the actual story.

I kind of want to see it tbh. Could you image them casting someone like PT in a serious role as a woman? Kissing the male lead actor like some damsel in distress and playing it completely straight while the music flairs up like a classic love film.

All the traditional shots where you show off the female leads body but instead it's PT. A close-up of his cleavage. The camera runs along his hairy but shaven legs and thighs while he prances around in a swimsuit, the pimpled and razor burned chest on full display. The male lead trying to not let the stubble running against his face in the climactic kiss scene ruin the shot.

Would be like some kind of insane David Lynch film.