Canada is a failed state

[Ser Prize]

There's nothing wrong with having raw resource extraction as a large part of Canada's economy; hell, this country is absolutely flushed with resources vs it's population size. But stupid shit keeps getting in the way of us harvesting and profiting from those resources.

And the utter lack of any major manufacturing sector in our country is appalling. No wonder people can't afford shit.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I don't actually think that we need a manufacturing sector- but hear me out on that,

I think that the problem with Canada is that we got rid of our manufacturing sector, and replaced it with basically nothing- so all those blue collar jobs are basically gone.

What you say with raw resource extraction, and I should also add production, being a large part of Canada's economy, that is what should have replaced manufacturing imo.

Did you know that Canada has the world's third largest oil reserve? Can you imagine a Canada that was similar to Russia, in terms of oil production? The cost is our enviornment in certain regions, and that is a stark price to pay, but oil, water, timber, etc, we could be following a similar path as Brazil, Russia, Norway, or any other resource rich state. I think that 30 years ago, maybe even 20 years ago, we were right to preserve more of our nations natural beauty, and we should strive for that regardless of what we do,

But considering how bad things are now, we really need an ace in the hole, and I think its this.

 

[Ser Prize]

I don't actually think that we need a manufacturing sector- but hear me out on that,

I think that the problem with Canada is that we got rid of our manufacturing sector, and replaced it with basically nothing- so all those blue collar jobs are basically gone.

What you say with raw resource extraction, and I should also add production, being a large part of Canada's economy, that is what should have replaced manufacturing imo.

Did you know that Canada has the world's third largest oil reserve? Can you imagine a Canada that was similar to Russia, in terms of oil production? The cost is our enviornment in certain regions, and that is a stark price to pay, but oil, water, timber, etc, we could be following a similar path as Brazil, Russia, Norway, or any other resource rich state. I think that 30 years ago, maybe even 20 years ago, we were right to preserve more of our nations natural beauty, and we should strive for that regardless of what we do,

But considering how bad things are now, we really need an ace in the hole, and I think its this.

There's no reason NOT to have a manufacturing sector on top of expanding our resource extraction. If only we could get fucking pipelines built.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

I am still doing my research on what lead us to this point. Obviously the housing bubble is related to the 'handover' in the 1990's and the Liberals at that time.

However it's interesting to read that the first food bank in Canada didn't appear until 1987. This is apparently when manufacturing jobs started being outsourced. There is a correlation.

I asked my Mother what Toronto was like in the early 1980's as she lived there back then. She mentioned diversity meant other ethnic whites like greeks, polish people and italians etc. It did not mean the kind of diversity we know today. There was very few non whites back then.

I'm betting all considered that what ever happened to Canada began in the late 1980's in terms of the shit storm we see today. I'm pinning the diversity disaster on the Tory's starting in the late 1980's ramping up immigration and the housing bubble on the liberals in the 1990's.

 

[Never Scored]

I am still doing my research on what lead us to this point. Obviously the housing bubble is related to the 'handover' in the 1990's and the Liberals at that time.

However it's interesting to read that the first food bank in Canada didn't appear until 1987. This is apparently when manufacturing jobs started being outsourced. There is a correlation.

I asked my Mother what Toronto was like in the early 1980's as she lived there back then. She mentioned diversity meant other ethnic whites like greeks, polish people and italians etc. It did not mean the kind of diversity we know today. There was very few non whites back then.

I'm betting all considered that what ever happened to Canada began in the late 1980's in terms of the shit storm we see today. I'm pinning the diversity disaster on the Tory's starting in the late 1980's ramping up immigration and the housing bubble on the liberals in the 1990's.

That's when it started in basically the entire western world. We went from demand side economics, stimulating demand to encourage people to buy, to supply side economics, artificially keeping the cost of supply low.

It's pretty clear that's the only reason they managed to tame inflation back in the 1980s. It's also clear that simulating demand leads to inflation which is why we find ourselves in our current situation.

I don't mean to get too far in the weeds here, but our ability to consume as much as we do is dependent on cheap labour, be it slaves, temporary foreign workers, immigrants or people in overseas sweatshops. When people like politicians say we need to grow the population at all costs and we need all these free trade agreements, this is what they are actually telling you. They are telling you we need cheap labour to keep up our current level of consumption. Part of the issue with our economy right now is that t-shirt you buy for $5 from Wal-Mart is, in fact, worth more than $5 and the price has been artificially suppressed by sourcing cheap labour. However, people who are starving in sweatshops also make shittier clothes.

It'd be better for our society to pay a Canadian a fair wage to make a higher quality t-shirt that you pay double for, but you only have like seven shirts in your wardrobe instead of 15. However, on paper, big globohomo corporate entities want to tell everyone at the Q4 shareholders teleconference that they increased t-shirt sales 15% of last quarter, so this "You only need a few shirts, let's reduce our consumption of shirts" shit won't fly with them.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

There's no reason NOT to have a manufacturing sector on top of expanding our resource extraction. If only we could get fucking pipelines built.

Don't get me wrong- wouldn't be bad,

but I'm just pointing out: I look at things like this

and it just baffles me. We have literally more oil than Russia and Norway.

If you look at the US, after they allowed fracking, they became a net exporter of oil, and then 2 years later (in 21) the world's largest supplier.

I get it as well, there's environmental issues at stake, but when you've gotten rid of manufacturing, when people can't buy houses, when an entire population is underemployed and amazon or walmart are some of the biggest employers, the question of should we be trying to access our oil really should be poised. It almost feels like being a medieval peasant dying in the midst of winter because they can't chop trees in the kings forest, because he wants to preserve its natural beauty.

Not even saying that fracking, oil drilling, naval oil rigs, etc should become widespread (I do adore the beauty of Canada's wilderness)- but I really think we should loosen, even just a little bit more, our current regulations on where and what can be drilled.

If you look at Alberta, we had a situation where numerous propositions for pipelines were shut down, the ones with more government contracts were allowed (heres where I get conspiratorial and say that the liberal government wants more government control of this industry, and is anti private business and investment), pipelines can't go through native reservations, theres major issues with national parks, etc.

Its a situation where I truly think we are shooting ourselves in the foot right now.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

As much as I don't want to leave Ontario I know I can't afford to stay here. I've been looking out west (like a lot of us) and the real estate is perfectly attainable, rent is cheap and wages seem okay.

If Doug Ford is re-elected on June 2 I think that will be the straw that breaks the camels back for me. And no that isn't some temper tantrum, that fuckhead has enabled the developers to completely fuck over people looking to buy a house. I'm also appalled by the ''reno-viction culture'' going on in this province where people are literally kicked to the curb from their apartments because a developer bought their building and jacked up the rent by 1000 bucks (or more). OHIP will be a fried goldfish when Doug and the slugs are done with it so us ''folks'' living in Ontario can forget about subsidized healthcare.

Most Premier's in Canada are actually PC's themselves, but not all of them are doing this shit. Even the supposedly ''awful'' Jason Kenney's province of Alberta has decent wages and fair priced homes. The Ontario brand of P.C's are just an utter fucking nightmare and are robbing us blind. No one even got a tax cut lol.

 

[Ser Prize]

Don't get me wrong- wouldn't be bad,

but I'm just pointing out: I look at things like this
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and it just baffles me. We have literally more oil than Russia and Norway.

If you look at the US, after they allowed fracking, they became a net exporter of oil, and then 2 years later (in 21) the world's largest supplier.

I get it as well, there's environmental issues at stake, but when you've gotten rid of manufacturing, when people can't buy houses, when an entire population is underemployed and amazon or walmart are some of the biggest employers, the question of should we be trying to access our oil really should be poised. It almost feels like being a medieval peasant dying in the midst of winter because they can't chop trees in the kings forest, because he wants to preserve its natural beauty.

Not even saying that fracking, oil drilling, naval oil rigs, etc should become widespread (I do adore the beauty of Canada's wilderness)- but I really think we should loosen, even just a little bit more, our current regulations on where and what can be drilled.

If you look at Alberta, we had a situation where numerous propositions for pipelines were shut down, the ones with more government contracts were allowed (heres where I get conspiratorial and say that the liberal government wants more government control of this industry, and is anti private business and investment), pipelines can't go through native reservations, theres major issues with national parks, etc.

Its a situation where I truly think we are shooting ourselves in the foot right now.

That's not 'conspiratorial'. That's plain as day. The liberal Govt wants us to be in a planned, soviet style economy where they own all these major industries.

As for preserving our natural beauty? Fuck it. I want Canadians to have jobs and own homes and be happy. If we have to cut down a few forests and deface a few mountains to do than so be it. We're a massive country and we're not hurting for pristine wilderness.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

That's not 'conspiratorial'. That's plain as day. The liberal Govt wants us to be in a planned, soviet style economy where they own all these major industries.

If not own them outright, then regulate the hell out of them. The big problem with the Liberal Party of Canada is that they have fashioned themselves as the "natural" ruling party of Canada and taken it to the point where they believe that governing the nation is their birthright. Previous governments may have planted the seeds of our economic downfall back in the late 80s and 90s, but I see the original Trudeau government of 1968 planting the seeds of Canada's cultural stagnation. Pierre Elliot Trudent basically took Marshall McLuhan's theories on communication and built a cult of personality around himself and the Liberal Party with it. It truly did not matter to the Liberal diehards that the rest of the world saw PET as a buffoon [1] and led to the economic despair of the 80s where the country had interest rates peaking at 24% and inflation at 12%. Canada could only prosper if the Liberals were in power in their minds and thus they need a stranglehold on every aspect of the economy, reality be damned. Hence why Pierre's son, Justin is intent on ramming the "Just Transition" through with Jagmeet Singh as his lapdog.

It is important to remember that Pierre Trudeau left politics when Justin was twelve so our current Prime Minister believes that a Liberal-led Canada is a prosperous one with religious zeal. However, he and his brothers are from the Laurentian Consensus and thus have always led sheltered lives funded by the trust fund their grandfather left them and the taxpayer. Justin doesn't know the first thing about managing an economy (I would be surprised if he ever saw a tax form) and appoints ministers based on ideological alignment (Stephan Guilbault) or how much of a sycophant they are (Christa Freeland). Unfortunately, our media became ingrained with the Laurentian elites and thus repeat the myth that the 1970s were the height of Canadian prosperity and power. They simply cannot fathom the economic anxieties of the Canadians that do the real work of keeping the country running and all heretics must be crushed. For all their talk of being compassionate, our Laurentian betters are downright malicious as shown by the invocation of Emergencies Act. Hell, they keep the mandates prohibiting the unvaxxed from traveling via air, sea, and rail up out of sheer spite.

All because they believe the country belongs to them.

[1] The only world leaders that bothered to show up to his funeral were Jimmy Carter and Fidel Castro.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Am I the only one who think then there might be more than meet the eyes about Canada's latest move by baning Chinese tech firm Huawei from 5G network?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/huawei-5g-decision-1.6310839

Canada is planning to ban Huawei from working on Canada's fifth-generation networks, according to a source familiar with the decision.

The move puts Canada in line with key intelligence allies like the United States which have expressed concerns about the national security implications of giving the Chinese tech giant access to key infrastructure.

The news was first reported by Bloomberg.

 

[Boston Brand]

Frankly, Canada would be better off letting the US annex most of the country.

 

[Queenfaggo]

Hello fellow leafs. Been lurking here for years but first time posting. It seems like fat fuck ford is going to win the provincial election with another majority. He locked us down forever and everyone hates him but the simple truth of matters is that the NDP don't have any momentum and after what the libs did here a few years ago did they'll probably never hold provincial power again. He's the best of the field even if he sucks. So another 4 years of his limp fat dick getting rammed into Ontario's ass.

Ontario is beyond a lost cause. I've been desperate to get out of here for years but the desire to do so is now stronger than ever. EVERYTHING is unbelievably expensive. I could excuse high cost of living if the place was full of likeminded individuals, but over the last 10 years the place has become flooded with mosques, pajeets and origami heads everywhere to an absurd degree. Why suffer here if DIVERSITY is all it has to offer? I don't want diversity. It's not a strength. Unity and being homogenous is a strength. I want to be surrounded by people who look like me, share my ideals, etc. like every other person. White christians who just want to work hard and be left the fuck alone from this forced diversity meme. I'm not even particularly racist, I had plenty of nonwhite friends in school, it's just the shit has gotten way out of hand.

Where is the best place I could go? I know my options are limited. I know there's slim pickings out there. I'm not expecting anywhere perfect. Just a nice homogenous little place where I can raise a family away from globohomo. PEI is apparently the whitest place in the country but it's such a tiny area that a sudden influx of immigration could ruin it any moment. Saskatchewan and New Brunswick are also high possibility places. I know this is a long gay post that nobody wants to read and I'm a faggot for writing it but it is what it is.

 

[Never Scored]

PEI is apparently the whitest place in the country but it's such a tiny area that a sudden influx of immigration could ruin it any moment.

Newfoundland is the whitest place in the country and it's not even close. Don't let the 8.9% aboriginal number on Wikipedia fool you. Most of those are white people who claim one Miꞌkmaq ancestor. Newfoundland is legit like 95% white.

However, if you are not from Newfoundland, you can never move here and just be accepted as one of us.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Hello fellow leafs. Been lurking here for years but first time posting. It seems like fat fuck ford is going to win the provincial election with another majority. He locked us down forever and everyone hates him but the simple truth of matters is that the NDP don't have any momentum and after what the libs did here a few years ago did they'll probably never hold provincial power again. He's the best of the field even if he sucks. So another 4 years of his limp fat dick getting rammed into Ontario's ass.

Ontario is beyond a lost cause. I've been desperate to get out of here for years but the desire to do so is now stronger than ever. EVERYTHING is unbelievably expensive. I could excuse high cost of living if the place was full of likeminded individuals, but over the last 10 years the place has become flooded with mosques, pajeets and origami heads everywhere to an absurd degree. Why suffer here if DIVERSITY is all it has to offer? I don't want diversity. It's not a strength. Unity and being homogenous is a strength. I want to be surrounded by people who look like me, share my ideals, etc. like every other person. White christians who just want to work hard and be left the fuck alone from this forced diversity meme. I'm not even particularly racist, I had plenty of nonwhite friends in school, it's just the shit has gotten way out of hand.

Where is the best place I could go? I know my options are limited. I know there's slim pickings out there. I'm not expecting anywhere perfect. Just a nice homogenous little place where I can raise a family away from globohomo. PEI is apparently the whitest place in the country but it's such a tiny area that a sudden influx of immigration could ruin it any moment. Saskatchewan and New Brunswick are also high possibility places. I know this is a long gay post that nobody wants to read and I'm a faggot for writing it but it is what it is.

Take solace or anger in realizing the people who are doing this think white people have too many kids, sterilize themselves and pride themselves on LGBTQ tolerance and anti racism. The only real solution is violence but realistically leafs won't go that way because boomer suddenly conservative jeb is not going to start saying fuck this but instead Go I stand for Canadian values as they're being stripped away by passive aggressive leftists nationalist's who want to undermine western civilization so Canada can be seen as the better place in the west.

 

[kim foxx]

lmao that's an apocalyptic level of anger for a country that is still nominally 80% white.

just imagine how you people would chimp coming to the US where whites are a minority in every major metro area

 

[Catler]

PEI is apparently the whitest place in the country but it's such a tiny area that a sudden influx of immigration could ruin it any moment.

PEI is brutally unaffordable and not a good place to live. PEI residents are second class citizens, tourists are the only thing the government cares about. You will never fit in with the locals, they don't like outsiders from other Maritime provinces much less western ones like Ontario. Health care is some of the worst in the nation and the wages and job market are bad, like really bad. The insane income taxes and HST will bleed your already smaller paycheque dry, and oh guess what, it costs like 50$ to leave PEI.

If you don't like diversity Charlottetown is not the place for you, but all the immigrants are Chinese and they're not too bad, very different than the type you get in Vancouver. Fun fact, more people speak Mandarin than French now in PEI.

 

[Never Scored]

lmao that's an apocalyptic level of anger for a country that is still nominally 80% white.

just imagine how you people would chimp coming to the US where whites are a minority in every major metro area

I don't mind people who aren't white, personally. I'm just not crazy about bringing in religious fanatics like hardline Muslims. I feel like Islam is a regressive belief system that is contrary to Western values like the idea of personal liberty.

Most of the problems people associate with with say, black people, are just problems with poor, stupid people with no impulse control regardless of race. We have these poor white drugged up people in Newfoundland that we call skeets who chimp the fuck out all the time.

 

[Rule of Three]

Ontario is beyond a lost cause. I've been desperate to get out of here for years but the desire to do so is now stronger than ever. EVERYTHING is unbelievably expensive. I could excuse high cost of living if the place was full of likeminded individuals, but over the last 10 years the place has become flooded with mosques, pajeets and origami heads everywhere to an absurd degree. Why suffer here if DIVERSITY is all it has to offer? I don't want diversity. It's not a strength. Unity and being homogenous is a strength. I want to be surrounded by people who look like me, share my ideals, etc. like every other person. White christians who just want to work hard and be left the fuck alone from this forced diversity meme. I'm not even particularly racist, I had plenty of nonwhite friends in school, it's just the shit has gotten way out of hand.

Go North and you hit communities filled to the tits with dry reserve rejects who have learned that the law doesn't really apply to them, and that if they scream "Residential Schools" enough, they get what they want. Oh, and don't forget the truly horrifying amount of substance abuse across the board, which is growing year by year.

Go to the South, and face the ever-growing threat of being culturally enriched, enjoy the feeling of effectively being an immigrant in your own nation, and best of luck escaping rent serfdom.

I've lived in both the North and South, and I can't honestly tell you which I prefer, only that the big cities are pestilent hell-holes. There are still nice places to live in the province, but they're getting harder to find every day. Every decision made on both the provincial and federal level feels engineered to punish anyone who might actually have a horse in the race. My interests are pinned here, otherwise I'd be gone already.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Hello fellow leafs. Been lurking here for years but first time posting. It seems like fat fuck ford is going to win the provincial election with another majority. He locked us down forever and everyone hates him but the simple truth of matters is that the NDP don't have any momentum and after what the libs did here a few years ago did they'll probably never hold provincial power again. He's the best of the field even if he sucks. So another 4 years of his limp fat dick getting rammed into Ontario's ass.

Ontario is beyond a lost cause. I've been desperate to get out of here for years but the desire to do so is now stronger than ever. EVERYTHING is unbelievably expensive. I could excuse high cost of living if the place was full of likeminded individuals, but over the last 10 years the place has become flooded with mosques, pajeets and origami heads everywhere to an absurd degree. Why suffer here if DIVERSITY is all it has to offer? I don't want diversity. It's not a strength. Unity and being homogenous is a strength. I want to be surrounded by people who look like me, share my ideals, etc. like every other person. White christians who just want to work hard and be left the fuck alone from this forced diversity meme. I'm not even particularly racist, I had plenty of nonwhite friends in school, it's just the shit has gotten way out of hand.

Where is the best place I could go? I know my options are limited. I know there's slim pickings out there. I'm not expecting anywhere perfect. Just a nice homogenous little place where I can raise a family away from globohomo. PEI is apparently the whitest place in the country but it's such a tiny area that a sudden influx of immigration could ruin it any moment. Saskatchewan and New Brunswick are also high possibility places. I know this is a long gay post that nobody wants to read and I'm a faggot for writing it but it is what it is.

I wish I could tell you that Alberta is better, but it has the same diversity problem as Ontario in Calgary and Edmonton. Even some of the medium cities like Lethbridge have been culturally "enriched" as well (to say nothing about the worsening crime rate). I was born there, but moved away nearly a decade ago and noticed it changing rapidly.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Hello fellow leafs. Been lurking here for years but first time posting. It seems like fat fuck ford is going to win the provincial election with another majority. He locked us down forever and everyone hates him but the simple truth of matters is that the NDP don't have any momentum and after what the libs did here a few years ago did they'll probably never hold provincial power again. He's the best of the field even if he sucks. So another 4 years of his limp fat dick getting rammed into Ontario's ass.

Ontario is beyond a lost cause. I've been desperate to get out of here for years but the desire to do so is now stronger than ever. EVERYTHING is unbelievably expensive. I could excuse high cost of living if the place was full of likeminded individuals, but over the last 10 years the place has become flooded with mosques, pajeets and origami heads everywhere to an absurd degree. Why suffer here if DIVERSITY is all it has to offer? I don't want diversity. It's not a strength. Unity and being homogenous is a strength. I want to be surrounded by people who look like me, share my ideals, etc. like every other person. White christians who just want to work hard and be left the fuck alone from this forced diversity meme. I'm not even particularly racist, I had plenty of nonwhite friends in school, it's just the shit has gotten way out of hand.

Where is the best place I could go? I know my options are limited. I know there's slim pickings out there. I'm not expecting anywhere perfect. Just a nice homogenous little place where I can raise a family away from globohomo. PEI is apparently the whitest place in the country but it's such a tiny area that a sudden influx of immigration could ruin it any moment. Saskatchewan and New Brunswick are also high possibility places. I know this is a long gay post that nobody wants to read and I'm a faggot for writing it but it is what it is.

I remember four years ago when Doug the slug was pandering to Muslims and Indians during his campaign. One of his promises to them was to get rid of that pesky sexual education curriculum that talked about 'doing the deed' and queers doing it too. They heavily supported him.

The reason why the Lesbian former Premier was hated so much was indeed due to immigrants. The hydro one scandal was bogus as the Harris P.C's fully intended to privatize it and laid down the groundwork for it to be done but they got ousted before they could achieve it. The liberals just finished the job.

And in terms of debt and ''overspending'' the OLP had been tightening the belt on provincial spending since 2008 due to the recession (yes Canada had a recession, just not as bad). Provincial spending had been nominal for years with healthcare facing brutal cuts in the early 2010's which gave us the hallway medicine in Ontario hospitals. Liberal's wren't spending shit on public services - much like Doug's P.C's.

Immigrant's are in absolute control of this Province's voting block. Expect more pandering to no end.