Canada is a failed state

The issue with the military is likely that the smart white Canadians have no loyalty to the state (take a look at what it does elsewhere, for one) and the fact that there's higher paying jobs outside of it has greater appeal (why join an organization that you'll be hated for and also prop up the troonada government)

And the dumb people have no loyalty to the state, for different reasons ("muh baby killers").

The Canadian military is actually a fine institution that people should still be proud of, and all this woke stuff is a true blackpill to see.

I'd say this for what it's worth again, the smartest move currently is probably to start getting ties overseas with work. That likely means with the US, because while Canada is in it's slow decline period now, within 50 years, I legitimately fear we will be like Argentina, and it's always best to have some backup
 
lmao imagine thinking moving from you 80% white quasi-ethnostate to brazil north is an improvement
 
Can someone explain me the context of this video? (sorry it's in a meme format)
The context is Canada plays at government like 4 year olds play at highway construction. These are the prototypes for the future "world servant". Imagine that man calmly spouting gibberish to you when you want to know why your food card was canceled.
 
Can someone explain me the context of this video? (sorry it's in a meme format)

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Its an age old Canadian meme, corruption in the liberal party (all parties for that matter).


Its just, unlike in the early 2000s, we don't have someone able to properly be an opposition, and challenge the liberal party.

Note, not necessarily a Harper-stan, but when politicians aren't able to answer basic questions, you have a major problem. Being forthcoming (something Harper is highlighting here after about a minute), you have serious problems.

The liberals don't want to answer the question, because they know that answering the question in a straightforward way is going to show how much that they have fucked up, ergo- they keep trying to avoid the question.
 
Its an age old Canadian meme, corruption in the liberal party (all parties for that matter).


Its just, unlike in the early 2000s, we don't have someone able to properly be an opposition, and challenge the liberal party.

Note, not necessarily a Harper-stan, but when politicians aren't able to answer basic questions, you have a major problem. Being forthcoming (something Harper is highlighting here after about a minute), you have serious problems.

The liberals don't want to answer the question, because they know that answering the question in a straightforward way is going to show how much that they have fucked up, ergo- they keep trying to avoid the question.

I not sure how I feel about this. When Paul Martin was PM (the man Harper is calling corrupt) even though I was only in my early teens and politically oblivious things in Canada were pretty stable then. Even working class people owned their own houses even in places like Toronto and people had decent wages and disposable income.

When Harper came in there was little change (at first) but by the early 2010's that's when things began to to change for the worse. It was also the year of Canada's first big riot ( the G20 summit. 2010) something we had never seen before and a bad sign of things yet to come. Harper's decisions wounded the working class and set back the middle class so he's far from innocent. But Trudeau has literally buried them alive.

Whatever Martin was and did it wasn't affecting people's quality of life all that much. The Liberal party these days is vastly more corrupt than it was back then. What may have been ''corrupt'' in 2005 wouldn't be thought of much of anything to worry about today.
 
I think the issue with the late 90s is that we were at a tipping point in the West, where, regardless of what people did, because we were still riding the wave of post-cold war economic success, no matter who was governing or what they were doing we wouldn't really feel repercussions for much of anything till another decade at least.

On Martin, the big issue was that the liberal party was being accussed of widespread corruption, there was confirmed corruption in Quebec (something that it still hasn't fully recovered from), and this ended effective liberal hegemony. If you want to look up the "Sponsorship Scandal" it ironically has similarities to Trudeau's past scandal with WE.

Corruption doesn't necessarily trickle down to the average person immediately or inevitably, but it does reveal a political rot of those within power, and when faced with crisis, you really want people with steeled nerves and some integrity. In an age with increasing financial interests, money influencing politics from overseas, global interests vs regional or national ones, etc- I really wouldn't want people in power who's central claim to governance is already on shakey ground with financial corruption being revealed.

I didn't like Harper when he was in government, as was vogue at the time, but if you actually look at how he governed, Canada was one of the few nations to come out of the 2008 financial crisis relatively intact, something that was the result of Harper's governing policies. In other nations, you still see the massive collapse of entire industries like construction, banks having gone under, etc. That never happened in Canada, and while I say relatively intact, I'm mostly referring to the notion that regardless of what we did, we are still tied to the US market. Still, Harper actually regulated the banks in Canada, and its something that I think his prime ministership is really going to be remembered by historically in a good way, in addition to keeping Canada out of Iraq (regardless of all the rest).

What I'd say of Harper is that he did not change anything systemically, and within the financial system, we have been in a downturn since perhaps the .com bubble crash, or perhaps since the early 80s with the start of the neoliberal period. Its one that we wouldn't all really feel the major effects of till the end of the 2010s, but one that you can see evidence of in retrospect. Still, independent of not changing the course of the ship, he did manage to steer the current course for his time relatively well, when faced with one major crisis. What he really did was create progressive taxes, and govern to support larger businesses in growth even with that.

I don't know if the liberal party of today is more or less corrupt than it was in 2005, but I think that this isn't the real question to ask. I think the real way to frame the question is that the liberal party did not have to face a major financial crisis in the early 2000s. This liberal party of today does. Regardless of who is more corrupt, or who is less corrupt, you do not want a party that is corrupt at the head of the reigns of leadership during a crisis. What would make the current liberals more complicit would be "did they cause this crisis?"

I think that you wouldn't be right to say that they caused it, that financial trends over the past 30 years with globalism have caused us to reach the point where we are at today are what brought us here; but they shouldn't get off scot free either, because they have the duty and responsibility to govern, people have been concerned about this since the 2010s, and they have done nothing. When your party comes in on a wave of populism and cries for social justice, including economic justice, to do nothing is an extra slap in the face
 
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I think the issue with the late 90s is that we were at a tipping point in the West, where, regardless of what people did, because we were still riding the wave of post-cold war economic success, no matter who was governing or what they were doing we wouldn't really feel repercussions for much of anything till another decade at least.

On Martin, the big issue was that the liberal party was being accussed of widespread corruption, there was confirmed corruption in Quebec (something that it still hasn't fully recovered from), and this ended effective liberal hegemony. If you want to look up the "Sponsorship Scandal" it ironically has similarities to Trudeau's past scandal with WE.

Corruption doesn't necessarily trickle down to the average person immediately or inevitably, but it does reveal a political rot of those within power, and when faced with crisis, you really want people with steeled nerves and some integrity. In an age with increasing financial interests, money influencing politics from overseas, global interests vs regional or national ones, etc- I really wouldn't want people in power who's central claim to governance is already on shakey ground with financial corruption being revealed.

I didn't like Harper when he was in government, as was vogue at the time, but if you actually look at how he governed, Canada was one of the few nations to come out of the 2008 financial crisis relatively intact, something that was the result of Harper's governing policies. In other nations, you still see the massive collapse of entire industries like construction, banks having gone under, etc. That never happened in Canada, and while I say relatively intact, I'm mostly referring to the notion that regardless of what we did, we are still tied to the US market. Still, Harper actually regulated the banks in Canada, and its something that I think his prime ministership is really going to be remembered by historically in a good way, in addition to keeping Canada out of Iraq (regardless of all the rest).

What I'd say of Harper is that he did not change anything systemically, and within the financial system, we have been in a downturn since perhaps the .com bubble crash, or perhaps since the early 80s with the start of the neoliberal period. Its one that we wouldn't all really feel the major effects of till the end of the 2010s, but one that you can see evidence of in retrospect. Still, independent of not changing the course of the ship, he did manage to steer the current course for his time relatively well, when faced with one major crisis. What he really did was create progressive taxes, and govern to support larger businesses in growth even with that.

I don't know if the liberal party of today is more or less corrupt than it was in 2005, but I think that this isn't the real question to ask. I think the real way to frame the question is that the liberal party did not have to face a major financial crisis in the early 2000s. This liberal party of today does. Regardless of who is more corrupt, or who is less corrupt, you do not want a party that is corrupt at the head of the reigns of leadership during a crisis. What would make the current liberals more complicit would be "did they cause this crisis?"

I think that you wouldn't be right to say that they caused it, that financial trends over the past 30 years with globalism have caused us to reach the point where we are at today are what brought us here; but they shouldn't get off scot free either, because they have the duty and responsibility to govern, people have been concerned about this since the 2010s, and they have done nothing. When your party comes in on a wave of populism and cries for social justice, including economic justice, to do nothing is an extra slap in the face

It was from my understanding that Canada went into supply side (neoliberal policy) quite a bit later probably more into the 1990's than the 80's though the changes were slow.

And yes I remember when it was cool to rag on Harper. This picture gave everyone a good laugh back in the day

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He wasn't an attractive man, he was somewhat stuffy in his conservative beliefs so many people under appreciated him. No one knew what was coming by electing Trudeau.
 
@Sweetpeaa , you often espouse liberal politics in your posts. How do you not see the connection? The same thing happened to California. It grew increasingly shitty with every shift farther left. I don't know how things are in Leafland with the providences, but this problem keeps spreading in the US because liberals flee to more conservative states after liberal policies ruin the local economy. They don't realize why their state went to shit, so they vote the same way in their new state. Said state eventually goes to shit too.

Tangential rant: It's strange how liberals often claim Sweden proves that their policies work. First of all, Sweden is going to shit. They were doing much better a few decades ago. Also, their policies somewhat work for them (at least better than they do for us) because of how small and homogenous the population is. This one protective factor is now changing, so the decline is accelerating.
 
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The reason why Canada has gone to shit is independent of both the liberals and the conservatives, because this isn't the same thing as California where culture war issues have pushed people out (allowing the homeless to masturbate in public and not pull up their pants), but 30 something years of neo-liberal policies pushed by both parties.

Where criticism of the liberals is likely warrented, is that they have professed to want to govern in a different way, and have hypocritically not, in addition to their general corruption when actually challenged by that, or by how they are not managing the economy.
 
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@Sweetpeaa , you often espouse liberal politics in your posts. How do you not see the connection? The same thing happened to California. It grew increasingly shitty with every shift farther left. I don't know how things are in Leafland with the providences, but this problem keeps spreading in the US because liberals flee to more conservative states after liberal policies ruin the local economy. They don't realize why their state went to shit, so they vote the same way in their new state. Said state eventually goes to shit too.

Tangential rant: It's strange how liberals often claim Sweden proves that their policies work. First of all, Sweden is going to shit. They were doing much better a few decades ago. Also, their policies somewhat work for them (at least better than they do for us) because of how small and homogenous the population is. This one protective factor is now changing, so the decline is accelerating.
As another poster said, there is very little culture war here with a liberal vs conservative type thing. Canada is going to shit for very different reasons than liberal states.

Canada is the free market unleashed with very little economy to allow the people to benefit from it. Even doctors complain about not ever being able to buy a house here now. Most people are living as though they are broke despite having a job that pays well on paper. This is all because of the sky high cost of living and insane housing costs. Even groceries are tripple to what people pay in the U.S (despite americans complaining about high food prices).
 
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I didn't like Harper when he was in government, as was vogue at the time, but if you actually look at how he governed, Canada was one of the few nations to come out of the 2008 financial crisis relatively intact, something that was the result of Harper's governing policies. In other nations, you still see the massive collapse of entire industries like construction, banks having gone under, etc. That never happened in Canada, and while I say relatively intact, I'm mostly referring to the notion that regardless of what we did, we are still tied to the US market. Still, Harper actually regulated the banks in Canada, and its something that I think his prime ministership is really going to be remembered by historically in a good way, in addition to keeping Canada out of Iraq (regardless of all the rest).
Also, Harper didn't gived lots of money to the Canadian MSM like Justin did. I heard once some rumors then the kids of former prime minister Jean Chretien married to the kids of the press owners of the main newspapers of Canada.
 
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Canada is the free market unleashed with very little economy to allow the people to benefit from it. Even doctors complain about not ever being able to buy a house here now. Most people are living as though they are broke despite having a job that pays well on paper. This is all because of the sky high cost of living and insane housing costs. Even groceries are tripple to what people pay in the U.S (despite americans complaining about high food prices).
How do you figure Canada is free market at all?
 
How do you figure Canada is free market at all?
"Free Market"

You know, the freedom to buy useless garbage from functional monopolies. The Neoliberal version of the word where we hand everything over on a silver platter to corporations. For free.
 
That's a terrible barometer. A basic look at how our country functions will tell you that your socialist bullshit would only make things worse.
"Free Market"

You know, the freedom to buy useless garbage from functional monopolies. The Neoliberal version of the word where we hand everything over on a silver platter to corporations. For free.
I don't see how a country where everything is super regulated and taxed out the ass is "free market", even to the most dense of neolibs.
 
That's a terrible barometer. A basic look at how our country functions will tell you that your socialist bullshit would only make things worse.

I don't see how a country where everything is super regulated and taxed out the ass is "free market", even to the most dense of neolibs.

Taxes are not as high as they once were. Canadian's paid much more before the year 2000 when tax reforms were brought in and downloading of public services began onto provinces.

Taxes you pay go into some rich guys wallet before they go into any type of ''socialist'' program. Canada doesn't even fund our defence spending budget properly. We live in one big corporation and to be fair, so does the U.S but at least most Americans can still buy a house apart from coastal cities.
 
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