Ser Prize
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And you somehow think MORE socialism will cure this? Are you retarded? Look how god awful our hospitals are.
Canada is a failed state
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From the Conservatives' Leader Debate tonight:
Lol we are so fucked.
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And these are the fucking conservatives. Jesus fuck.
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Basically sums up why I've shrugged when I'm told that I'm throwing my vote away to the PPC in the last couple of federal elections. No difference between between the "Conservative" Party and the Liberal Party, and I'm not doing our Leaf version of "Vote Blue No Matter Who" bullshit. One of them is gleefully going to work against my interests, the other will do it 1% less quickly while getting called "far-Right" by the media who is paid for by the former.
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Shit is so bad in Canada that even Immigrants are straight up leaving, realizing this country is a lost cause.
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Either they’ve been spending too much time on social media or the whites really are fed up and have started exclusive enclaves at this point
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Nah they just wrote in that part about racism to deflect any argument about the status quo and turn it into interpersonal squabbles. No one is getting racismed.
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Exactly- this is also specifically the group from 18-34, millineals,
and if there's one thing common to millineals, its that 80% are going to wind up with a McJob in Canada, with maybe 20% getting something decent esque.
And why would you stay, when cultural values are null, you cant afford anything, can't buy a house, and wind up having to work as a desk jockey on minimum or near minimum wage, when there are so many better opportunities in places like Europe, or the US?
I get that the covervatives want to make Canada more affordable as well, but past housing, food, and gas, I think people don't appreciate the dynamic of affordable vs good jobs. The entire history of the 90s, trading away our factory jobs to Mexico and China, so the goods being produced are more affordable, fucked us.
I don't think the issue is affordability, though its nice. Its that Canada needs proper jobs and careers for people, otherwise for all the amazon shit in the world, it won't stop people from moving out.
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Kiwisee
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When you’re promised that you’ll live a great quality in life within Canada, because of the free healthcare meme, you’re going to be severely disappointed.
Doesn’t help that the Canadian government and educational system has been subverting and demoralizing any sense of national pride since the late 90s.
At this point, I won’t be surprised if the next gen of whites are radicalized to the point of making Islamic extremism look like a joke.
Doesn’t help that the Canadian government and educational system has been subverting and demoralizing any sense of national pride since the late 90s.
At this point, I won’t be surprised if the next gen of whites are radicalized to the point of making Islamic extremism look like a joke.
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That's pretty much going to be the case no matter how much revenue you raise. Do you ever really think you'll solve the issue of self interested power seekers being the ones who end up running the government? What you're fighting is human nature itself. It's the whole reason the government is supposed to be small and isn't supposed to be running everything because the people running the show in the government will always, always, ALWAYS be greedy fuck ups. That's why you limit their influence on the areas of life you care about and DON'T give them absolute control over all your most essential institutions like hospitals, schools, etc. All those scumsuckers running the big companies you hate? Yeah they're the exact same type you're trusting with all your tax money in the government, if they're not ex-business execs themselves then they're certainly moving in the same circles.
The sad reality of socialized systems is that they presume a benevolent government comprised of individuals who will put the country before themselves and that's just not going to happen, especially when you deliberately import so many people that your country is a constant tug of war between competing cultures and interests who have no sense of shared morality or social obligation.
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I don't think you understand what I mean. My post was in response to the idea that some people in Canada incorrectly have that their tax money goes to social programs.
Some people believe really do believe this as people here tend to be naive as hell and very confused as to what economic system they live in. Canadians don't live under communism (you would be surprised how many retards believe that), nor democratic socialism or even a mixed economy. Canadians live under neoliberalism but they don't have a damn clue.
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Canadas problems are primarily cultural, not economic. The deflection of all social issues onto capitalism as the problem is a fatal flaw of liberal/leftist thinking. Neoliberalism is a fine economic system and would serve their nations purposes well if it wasn't for the fact that the social glue of their nation has disappeared and they're left with a mass of purely self interested actors who rely on transactional relationships to mediate their interactions in all facets of their lives.
You can have a great nation if the culture is good with the worst economic system but the best economic system won't save a bad culture. Until the left realize this they're doomed to the eternal downward spiral.
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Neoliberalism needs some type of an economy to work. The Canadian economy is currently dependent on real estate and natural resources. This is why we're in a hole.
Immigration and diversity isn't being pushed because Canada lacks culture, it's because Canada has a poor birth rate and the government has been looking at other ways to increase population for years so they go with the pretend 'we love diversity schtick. It isn't some leftist movement driving this, if you read the posts above its all political parties. All of them.
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There's nothing inherently wrong with immigration, Canada is built on the idea. The problem is that we are now importing hordes of unskilled low wage workers and not giving them anything remotely resembling the opportunities the previous immigrants got. Instead we use them to prop up a failing service economy.
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A country's government should be expected to prop up, protect, and grow the local people and the nation. There is a lot wrong with immigration when it's not coupled with effective assimilation and made so easy that it's a fucking joke to the people who were born here. If we're talking about true immigration wherein you become a permanent resident of a different country, you should never be afforded the same rights and protections and opportunities as a person who was born into that country.
Unfortunately I think the declining local birth rates have a lot to do with liberal policy inducing fear in average homegrown people. White = bad, the institution wants to troon out your white kids, and if you're not importing your wealth then you're sure as shit not getting wealthy locally. It's been a slow build since the 80s-90s to this point with declining birth rates, but it's all because Leftist policies want to champion the minorities while shunning the foundational majority population of white citizens. Then instead of evening out the playing field to make everyone 'equal' (i.e. stop giving niggers and injuns free gibs, that wasn't supposed to be permanent), TPTB just doubled down and decided the foreigner is more valuable than the local, ignoring the reasons there are far more immigrants than locals reproducing.
If immigrants actually anchored themselves in Canada instead of always keeping one foot out the door, maybe I could come to terms with immigration. As it stands, it's far too easy to reap all of the perks of being a Canadian without coming even close to being a Canadian or even contributing an equivocal amount to the society. Canada is a giant shark tank for dirty foreign money when you really get down to it.
Eta: I also understand very well that Canada is built on immigration but I feel we have to draw a hard line somewhere. Either you fully assimilate and reap the benefits as our predecessors and ancestors did, or you get Citizenship Lite and don't get nearly half the shit actual Canadians do. Permanent residency is already like this, but its requirements are not strict enough IMO. You only need to be in Canada for 730 out of every 1825 days (730 days per 5 years) and it doesn't need to be continuous and it's even stated that time abroad may count toward this number.
Be like Germany. Those fuckers make you renounce your German citizenship if you immigrate somewhere else unless you petition against it.
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I saw this tweet by Justin Trudeau's fuck buddy best friend forever and had to sperg out:
This is just another example of how ignorant and unsophisticated the Liberty Party of Canada is. Of course Canada is bitterly divided and has been for a while among regional and class lines. Butts and Justin Trudeau are simply incapable of understanding that because they have lived lives of luxury at the expense of the middle and working classes, and never had to face hardship in their lives. Everything they have, everything they are is because they had everything handed to them and not through their own efforts.
Similarly, neither possesses a mote of self-awareness or imagination. Hence why the LPC is reimposing the failed fiscal policies of the seventies and the divisive bile Trudeau spreads like a spoiled child. Canada may not be authoritarian on paper, but the lack of checks of balances in the system rendered the country a de facto dictatorship. That and the self-inflicted ignorance of Canada's increasingly extremist left is why Trudeau has survived scandals that would have ended the political careers of every Prime Minister before him, including Chretien and Martin.
Indeed, Canada is a backwards nation regressing into an infantalized state because a large swath of the country would rather live the fantasy world that two men with the emotional maturity of a four-year-old constructed for themselves. Is there hope? Maybe. It will likely take a hard slap from reality to rouse a largely-docile public into turfing a party of parasitic elites with no real value. This party has racked up twelve-digit deficits during this pandemic and crippled Canada's potential because of their hubris. The bill will come due and it will be interesting to witness what will unfold when the pendulum swings.
This is just another example of how ignorant and unsophisticated the Liberty Party of Canada is. Of course Canada is bitterly divided and has been for a while among regional and class lines. Butts and Justin Trudeau are simply incapable of understanding that because they have lived lives of luxury at the expense of the middle and working classes, and never had to face hardship in their lives. Everything they have, everything they are is because they had everything handed to them and not through their own efforts.
Similarly, neither possesses a mote of self-awareness or imagination. Hence why the LPC is reimposing the failed fiscal policies of the seventies and the divisive bile Trudeau spreads like a spoiled child. Canada may not be authoritarian on paper, but the lack of checks of balances in the system rendered the country a de facto dictatorship. That and the self-inflicted ignorance of Canada's increasingly extremist left is why Trudeau has survived scandals that would have ended the political careers of every Prime Minister before him, including Chretien and Martin.
Indeed, Canada is a backwards nation regressing into an infantalized state because a large swath of the country would rather live the fantasy world that two men with the emotional maturity of a four-year-old constructed for themselves. Is there hope? Maybe. It will likely take a hard slap from reality to rouse a largely-docile public into turfing a party of parasitic elites with no real value. This party has racked up twelve-digit deficits during this pandemic and crippled Canada's potential because of their hubris. The bill will come due and it will be interesting to witness what will unfold when the pendulum swings.