Canada is a failed state

[Osmosis Jones]

Some people may not be as interested or informed as others, but that doesn't mean they're bad citizens or don't care about their country. Moreover, it's unfair to expect everyone to be equally interested and knowledgeable about politics; some people simply don't have the time or energy to invest in keeping up with current affairs.

There's zero excuse to be uninformed about the values and platforms of the respective parties when it comes to voting time. It does, in fact, make you a bad citizen to make an uninformed decision about your country's future. It also means you don't care, otherwise you would access the readily available information to make an informed decision.

It's completely fair and reasonable to expect everyone to be minimally involved in politics for a few weeks every few years especially when the parties are raising the issues and making their platforms and positions known. That's how a democracy works. A democracy doesn't work if people blindly vote into whatever sounds good when working off of minimal information.

Lastly, I didn't say Canadian voters are uninformed, I said  you are not informed, and that others like you are the problem. The government is blatantly and openly corrupt and working against the interests of the people, it's utterly foolish to say they aren't corrupt whatsoever. They're the reason we're in this hole. Have you not watched how reckless the federal government has been with everything from finance to legislation to social issues? Holy shit.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

There's zero excuse to be uninformed about the values and platforms of the respective parties when it comes to voting time. It does, in fact, make you a bad citizen to make an uninformed decision about your country's future. It also means you don't care, otherwise you would access the readily available information to make an informed decision.

It's completely fair and reasonable to expect everyone to be minimally involved in politics for a few weeks every few years especially when the parties are raising the issues and making their platforms and positions known. That's how a democracy works. A democracy doesn't work if people blindly vote into whatever sounds good when working off of minimal information.

Lastly, I didn't say Canadian voters are uninformed, I said  you are not informed, and that others like you are the problem. The government is blatantly and openly corrupt and working against the interests of the people, it's utterly foolish to say they aren't corrupt whatsoever. They're the reason we're in this hole. Have you not watched how reckless the federal government has been with everything from finance to legislation to social issues? Holy shit.

It is fair and reasonable to expect people to be minimally involved in politics for a few weeks every few years. However, it is not realistic or possible for everyone to be informed about the values and platforms of the respective parties when it comes time to vote. There are many factors that contribute to this, such as: lack of access to accurate information, language barriers, cognitive biases, etc. Moreover, even if someone was ableto become fully informed about all of the political issues at stake before voting - it does not mean they would make an uninformed decision. People can (and do) research candidate's policies and still disagree with them on certain issues. Just because somebody disagrees with you politically does not mean they are "uninformed" or don't care about their country's future - perhaps they just have different priorities than you do? Lastly, I think it's important tonote that corruption exists within all levels of government - not just the federal government. To say that "the government is blatantly and openly corrupt and working against the interests of the people" is a gross oversimplificationof a very complex issue . Yes , there have been some instances where politicianshave been caught engaging in shady/corrupt practices - but this doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on ALL members of our government .

 

[Osmosis Jones]

It is fair and reasonable to expect people to be minimally involved in politics for a few weeks every few years. However, it is not realistic or possible for everyone to be informed about the values and platforms of the respective parties when it comes time to vote.

Parties have websites with bullet point lists on their priorities and platforms and goals. There is no excuse to not be informed about the values and platforms of the respective parties. This would be minimal information. It takes 15 minutes to receive a basic generalized understanding of each party's values instead of just voting on one or two issues.

There are many factors that contribute to this, such as: lack of access to accurate information, language barriers, cognitive biases, etc. Moreover, even if someone was ableto become fully informed about all of the political issues at stake before voting - it does not mean they would make an uninformed decision.

You have to know English to live in Canada. You're tested on that when you immigrate. If you can't understand basic English to understand basic party values, then you shouldn't even vote or participate in the process. There is no such lack of access to the party platforms when it comes to voting time. It's everywhere.

People can (and do) research candidate's policies and still disagree with them on certain issues. Just because somebody disagrees with you politically does not mean they are "uninformed" or don't care about their country's future - perhaps they just have different priorities than you do?

You're uninformed on the basis that you don't think the Canadian government is corrupt on all levels, that you think it's forgivable, and that all of this can somehow be written off as human mistakes.

Lastly, I think it's important tonote that corruption exists within all levels of government - not just the federal government. To say that "the government is blatantly and openly corrupt and working against the interests of the people" is a gross oversimplificationof a very complex issue . Yes , there have been some instances where politicianshave been caught engaging in shady/corrupt practices - but this doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on ALL members of our government .

So what you're saying is that I'm correct, just oversimplifying. I don't disagree, but I'm being succinct. Yes, it does reflect poorly on all levels and all members of government because at minimum they are complacent in the corruption. Either whistleblow or refuse to partake.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Parties have websites with bullet point lists on their priorities and platforms and goals. There is no excuse to not be informed about the values and platforms of the respective parties. This would be minimal information. It takes 15 minutes to receive a basic generalized understanding of each party's values instead of just voting on one or two issues.

First, I don't think it's realistic to expect that everyone will take the time to research each party's values and platforms. Second, even if people do take the time to do this research, they may not be able to understand everything that is written on these websites. Finally, I believe that people should vote based on their own values and beliefs, rather than what a party tells them they should believe.

You have to know English to live in Canada. You're tested on that when you immigrate. If you can't understand basic English to understand basic party values, then you shouldn't even vote or participate in the process. There is no such lack of access to the party platforms when it comes to voting time. It's everywhere.

Not everyone in Canada is a native English speaker. In fact, according to the 2016 Census, 21.3% of Canadians reported speaking a language other than English at home. Additionally, not all political parties publish their platforms in only English - many also offer translations in multiple languages on their websites and during election campaigns. Therefore, it is possible for non-English speakers to participate in the voting process without having a complete understanding of party values.

You're uninformed on the basis that you don't think the Canadian government is corrupt on all levels, that you think it's forgivable, and that all of this can somehow be written off as human mistakes.

First, I don't think the Canadian government is corrupt on all levels - there are definitely some areas that need improvement, but overall I believe they're doing a good job. Second, even if there were some instances of corruption, I don't think it's forgivable - these things should be dealt with swiftly and harshly to ensure they don't happen again. Finally, while mistakes can happen, I do not believe that everything can be written off as such - sometimes people knowingly engage in corrupt practices, and those individuals should be held accountable.

So what you're saying is that I'm correct, just oversimplifying. I don't disagree, but I'm being succinct. Yes, it does reflect poorly on all levels and all members of government because at minimum they are complacent in the corruption. Either whistleblow or refuse to partake.

I think it's oversimplifying the issue to say that everyone in government is corrupt. There are certainly some bad apples, but I don't think it's fair to paint all members of government with the same brush. Second, even if we assume that all members of government are corrupt, I'm not sure whistleblowing is always the best solution. In some cases, it may be necessary to blow the whistle in order to expose corruption and bring about change. But in other cases, blowing the whistle can do more harm than good by jeopardizing national security or putting lives at risk.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Did someone say you have to know English to live in Canada? I used to believe that too you know. But the more time I spent in the GTA and the more I learned about the corrupt labour laws like the TFW program and other such backdoor immigration policies I realized that was only true on paper.

Just as the other you must have no criminal record and you must have a degree to live in Canada.

For the record many immigrants in the GTA and other large urban centers don't know english. They just don't. Many Asians in Toronto, its suburbs and Vancouver and its suburbs can't even say one word in English. Even ones who have spent in decades in Canada.

Back to the "educational requirements" - look into articles about fake degrees, especially medical degrees in Canada. It's an interesting read.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

You have to be autistic to be invested enough to know the intricacies of every Canadian political party platform

Honestly, with government, the only thing to care about is trying to keep people out of power who will set their boot on your neck, and that's basically every political party if they're in power for long enough.

Having a strong opposition party (which the conservatives are not currently, which makes me doomer considering they're liberal lite), ensuring that you don't have political monopolies (regimes in power for more than a decade), are essential for a democracy.

Canada's problems are frankly due to having a mono party, no viable alternative to at least call politicians out in credible bullshit, and also a literal attempt at rigging the system away from any oppositional threat with the lib-ndp merger.

But on "you have to know every issue of your party" I'd rather just have someone who trusts no party (because all of them will see you out as we've seen over covid), knows what they stand for generally, and gets more in depth over local elections.

 

[Dude Snakes]

You have to be autistic to be invested enough to know the intricacies of every Canadian political party platform

Honestly, with government, the only thing to care about is trying to keep people out of power who will set their boot on your neck, and that's basically every political party if they're in power for long enough.

Having a strong opposition party (which the conservatives are not currently, which makes me doomer considering they're liberal lite), ensuring that you don't have political monopolies (regimes in power for more than a decade), are essential for a democracy.

Canada's problems are frankly due to having a mono party, no viable alternative to at least call politicians out in credible bullshit, and also a literal attempt at rigging the system away from any oppositional threat with the lib-ndp merger.

But on "you have to know every issue of your party" I'd rather just have someone who trusts no party (because all of them will see you out as we've seen over covid), knows what they stand for generally, and gets more in depth over local elections.

The People's Party and Maxime says hi.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Did someone say you have to know English to live in Canada? I used to believe that too you know. But the more time I spent in the GTA and the more I learned about the corrupt labour laws like the TFW program and other such backdoor immigration policies I realized that was only true on paper.

Just as the other you must have no criminal record and you must have a degree to live in Canada.

For the record many immigrants in the GTA and other large urban centers don't know english. They just don't. Many Asians in Toronto, its suburbs and Vancouver and its suburbs can't even say one word in English. Even ones who have spent in decades in Canada.

Back to the "educational requirements" - look into articles about fake degrees, especially medical degrees in Canada. It's an interesting read.

There are a few things I take issue with in this post. First of all, the idea that you don't need to know English to live in Canada is patently false. While it may be possible to get by in some parts of the country without speaking English, if you want to thrive and make the most of your opportunities here, learning at least basic conversational English is essential.

Second, I disagree with the assertion that all immigrants who come to Canada do so through "corrupt labour laws" like the TFW program. While there may be some unscrupulous employers who exploit these programs, many businesses rely on them legitimately to fill positions they cannot otherwise find qualified Canadians for. Moreover, not all immigrants come via these programs - many have highly-skilled jobs and came here through other channels such as Express Entry or provincial nominee programs (PNPs). Finally, even those who do come via temporary foreign worker programs often go on to obtain permanent residency status and eventually citizenship - meaning they are fully integrated into Canadian society regardless of how they arrived initially.

In short: yes, knowing English will make life much easier when living in Canada; no,. not all immigration pathways are corrupt or exploitative; and lastly,, just because someone arrives in Canada as a temporary foreign worker does not mean they will always remain one indefinitely - many ultimately become full-fledged members of our society

 

[ICametoLurk]

lol your all property of the queen of england.

 

[Montalbane]

There are a few things I take issue with in this post. First of all, the idea that you don't need to know English to live in Canada is patently false. While it may be possible to get by in some parts of the country without speaking English, if you want to thrive and make the most of your opportunities here, learning at least basic conversational English is essential.

Second, I disagree with the assertion that all immigrants who come to Canada do so through "corrupt labour laws" like the TFW program. While there may be some unscrupulous employers who exploit these programs, many businesses rely on them legitimately to fill positions they cannot otherwise find qualified Canadians for. Moreover, not all immigrants come via these programs - many have highly-skilled jobs and came here through other channels such as Express Entry or provincial nominee programs (PNPs). Finally, even those who do come via temporary foreign worker programs often go on to obtain permanent residency status and eventually citizenship - meaning they are fully integrated into Canadian society regardless of how they arrived initially.

In short: yes, knowing English will make life much easier when living in Canada; no,. not all immigration pathways are corrupt or exploitative; and lastly,, just because someone arrives in Canada as a temporary foreign worker does not mean they will always remain one indefinitely - many ultimately become full-fledged members of our society

You sound like you gargle cocks for a hobby.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Oh, the Canadian government is quite corrupt, but most of that corruption is centralized in the Prime Minister's Office. Justin Trudeau has a warped sense of morality because he was brought up in a environment of immense privilege as part of the Laurentian Elite. Look at inflation rate for May 2022 (7.7% national average), it has not been that high since 1983. Justin was twelve years old then and never saw his parents struggle to make ends meet or worry that they might lose their house as many Canadians did at the time so he never understood how the majority of the people in this country live. Another problem is that he--along with vast swaths of the Canadian left--views the system as inherently compassionate and flawless, especially when compared to the United States. Look at our single-payer healthcare system; yes, you won't go bankrupt, but ER waiting times are a problem as are the waiting times to see a specialist. Yet that is acceptable because the Canadian (and Provincial, as healthcare falls under the purview) government is more "compassionate" than its southern neighbor.

Similarly, Justin has never had to actually take responsibility for his actions or face any consequences as his underlings usually fall on their swords to protect him. His advisor and best friend, Gerald Butts, resigned in the wake of the SNC-Lavalin scandal. Bill Morneau resigned in disgrace as finance minister after the WE Charity scandal broke while Justin walked away scott free. This would have destroyed the careers of Chretien, Martin, and yes, even Sauron himself, Stephen Harper. Don't expect the media to hold him to account because he increased funding to the CBC and effectively subsidized struggling mainstream outlets. Hell, I suspect one major reason why Bill C-11 is getting such an aggressive push is because major media corporations like Bell stand to benefit from increased government control of the Internet. Justin has grown increasingly unhinged since then. Nepotism is increasingly apparent in his cabinet as Chrysta Freeland's (current Finance Minister) only business experience was running Reuters Next into the ground and shipping those jobs and Bangalore while Foreign Affairs minister, Melanie Joly, was incompetent in her previous posts. It is actually speculated that Justin is having an affair with the latter.

Justin as gone to great lengths to avoid being held accountable for his actions. What did he do when the Freedom Convoy was on its way to Ottawa? Slander them and run away to his cottage for claiming that he caught COVID (despite [claiming to have] being boosted) before coming back to invoke the Emergencies Act. Oh, he and his Public Safety Minister, Marco Mendicino, claim that they invoked it on the advice of law enforcement officials. However, the RCMP commissioner, both past and present Ottawa Police chiefs, and the OPP testified that they didn't see a need for it yet Trudeau and Mendicino propagate the lie while Freehand dodges the question. Meanwhile, it came out that Trudeau and his cabinet interfered in the investigation into the Nova Scotia mass shooting to advance their own gun control legislation. Needless to say this will erode public confidence in the nation's institutions. Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of Canadians who naively believe that our federal government is a benevolent entity that acts in the best interests of all, however, even Leafs have their breaking point.

Inflation is eating away at the savings of regular Canadians who are now worried about losing their homes or even having enough to eat. It wouldn't surprise me that there is a growing income gap as well despite the Left's hollow "tax the rich" rhetoric and the wealthy actually benefit from inflation as it inflates the worth of their assets. There are only so many vacuous platitudes ones can take from a lispy substitute drama teacher before they throw him out. The Freedom Convoy exposed the cracks in the Potemkin village that is Canada. Even if one did not support the convoy, they could clearly see that the Liberal Party of Canada is completely out of touch with reality. I suspect that the coming recession will get non-politically engaged Canadians more involved as it becomes more apparent that the government is not going to help them. Trudeau is just a man-child playing dress up going to lavish parties and putting on elaborate productions bragging how great Canada is. The trouble is that the rest of the world is less than receptive as Canada has been regulated to the sidelines because of Trudeau's feckless behavior, but that is a rant for another time.

Suffice it to say that Canada is corrupt at the very top and the rot is trickling down to all corners of government.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

The People's Party and Maxime says hi.

"In Quebec, even the telephone poles are crooked"

Bernier says the right things, grifts on populism (which in many cases, is correct), but I don't care much for the dude. He has legit too many ties to crime and corruption circles in Quebec, and there are reasons why he was rejected for the conservative leadership. Having ties to the legit Mafia in Quebec and other organized crime groups makes me reluctant to fully trust him.

I prefer Trump over Bernier, but there are parallels here (Trump having some ties to the NJ Mafia in the 80s, which you need to get anything done in that neck of the woods, Bernier with the Quebec mafia, etc)

But would Bernier renege on various things? Bet on it, you'd be a fool to trust anyones campaign promises, especially ones that are so broad as his and coming after he was rejected for the conservative leadership.

The other issue is- Canada isn't a monarchy (bad joke). Its a parliamentary system. You have to play politics. Even if you take the throne, theres so much more.

You have to ask yourself, when Harper came into power as a minority government, how did he manage things? He both knew how to negotiate within his own party (he created it out of multiple ones, in fact) and how to negotiate with the opposition and other parties, and to play them against eachother to actually get what he wanted, and to take a dead movement and catapult it into power for a decade.

Suppose Bernier came into power? "Ill end mass immigration immediately, repeal the Indian act, and build a border fence (he actually said this)".

Quene "more right wing than the conservatives? Take all my " even when it's just rhetoric and even Harper said he was a sore loser after taking the L in his own party and wanting to grift on populist sentiment.

Achieve this all with what, a minority government, against the conservatives even, with rhetoric and policies that are going to unify the NDP and libs against him? Hes a better foil for the libs than he is an asset to the conservatives.

When you look at why he actually was basically given the boot within the conservatives, the official reason was "confidential documents left at hells angel's gf's apartment" .

It'd be messy to go after him publically for these ties and make the conservatives look bad. The scapegoat is "he left confidential documents", but we can all guess that getting that close to organized crime has too many pages people would rather leave left unturned, and he was told to take the L and resign, which he did. Harper was much better at public image and knew how to play politics.

If you want someone, you need a politician who can actually win over their own party and play politics there, and one who can negotiate with the broader system as a whole. Bernier, is sadly not that.

The current conservatives aren't much better, theres probably too much playing into the liberals system- but going for extremes, radical, sudden, broad change,

does that even sound conservative?

There's stuff Id agree with on getting rid of student visa abuses, curbing back immigration gradually, opening the tar sands, etc- and you have people within the conservative party currently who are for that. Other than the conservatives being cucks on covid and wanting them to actually be more conservative on immigration, reform is frankly the option.

Similarly, Justin has never had to actually take responsibility for his actions or face any consequences as his underlings usually fall on their swords to protect him. His advisor and best friend, Gerald Butts, resigned in the wake of the SNC-Lavalin scandal. Bill Morneau resigned in disgrace as finance minister after the WE Charity scandal broke while Justin walked away scott free. This would have destroyed the careers of Chretien, Martin, and yes, even Sauron himself, Stephen Harper.

See Harper and Bernier, another love tale from Quebec, but that's what I mean, there is corruption in Canada and while I actually do like the Quebecois, that province is rife with it and the Laurentian elite as well. It's why with Pollieve, knowing his base is from out West, I trust him a hell of a lot more.

Call me a doomer though, but a reformed conservatives, a non corrupt liberal party, a new party with a shot at winning and able to navigate parliament? The chances are low on all of those, but id rather just not drink the snake oil with the people's party regardless.

I don't know what will fix Canada and I think that we're in for rough times ahead because of how the liberals have governed and how they seem still hell bent on clawing on to power without any real structural change.

You know how the French have collapsed republics from time to time, after their system fails to effect change and something drastic happens? I feel like we're at that point in Canada, or nearing it, and would have to literally clean house to have a shot at anything

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

For all the progressive rhetoric about "change", the Canadian government is extremely resistant to any kind of meaningful reform because it would threaten the Laurentian elite's chokehold on the system. Trudeau's promise of electoral reform was one such example. He bragged that the 2015 election would be the last to use "first past the post", but reneged on it. Why? The other parties and the committee on it wanted proportional representation while he personally wanted a ranked ballot because it would (in theory) give the Liberals successive supermajorities under the assumption that they were most Canadians' second choice. Geography is likely Canada's biggest weakness because the Canadian Shield separates southern Ontario from the west and the Laurentians possess a "one size fits all" mentality that doesn't work for a country that is as large and sparsely populated as ours. British Columbia is more physically and culturally tied to the Pacific Northwest while the Prairie Provinces are tied to the Great Plains states. It does not help that Quebec is always looking to extract concessions from Ottawa, which the latter more often than not caves in for the sake of "national unity" while ignoring or outright mocking discontent in the West.

It does not help that Trudeau is an imperious narcissist who listens to no one except those who share his worldview. He has done more to divide Canadians than any Prime Minister because he used vaccines as a wedge and is now doing the same with gun control and abortion by importing the American culture wars into the Canadian mainstream. I genuinely believes that he hates those who resist his attempts at domination like Jody Wilson-Reybould. She wrote in her memoir, Indian in the Cabinet, that he grew angry and aggressive when she resisted his attempts to pressure her before he ultimately threw her out of caucus. Then look at his conduct during question period where he lashes out like a child at the Conservatives simply because they oppose him, which is why they are her majesty's loyal opposition. Underneath the smiles and false affability is a man who is a spoiled and cruel child: he did not just want to see the Freedom Convoy broken up, but utterly destroyed. Hence why he invoked the Emergencies Act. Similarly, he wants Alberta under the yoke because the province had the audacity to defy his family. Hence, the canceled pipelines and attempting to push the so-called Just Transition, which ironically did more to help Putin by keeping Canadian crude landlocked. The only reason Jagmeet Singh escaped Justin's wrath is because Jughead prostrated before him and is no threat to him because the NDP have no leverage on the Liberals because of their dire finances.

I hesitate to call Canada a dictatorship, but Trudeau is a petty tyrant. Canadians by and large do not want to believe that we could horrid person to lead the country, and his supporter do act like deranged cults who will fiddle in Ottawa while the rest of the country. It might be more desirable for Canada to fragment given the hyper-polarization here and the Laurentians increasing unhinged behavior.

 

[ICametoLurk]

Like really, your entire purpose is to make some German Bitch wealthy.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

For the record abortion has never been legalized in Canada. It sits in legal limbo technically. It's decriminalized but it has never been made legal. Trudeau could legalize abortion in Canada but he has no interest. This is why his criticism of South of the border is deeply insincere.

Regardless of how you feel about abortion you have to understand it's actual fairly vulnerable legal status in Canada and Trudeau's disinterest in it on his own turf. This is another act of his misrepresentation.

 

[Ser Prize]

The right to kill babies should not be the focus of this country.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

"Boohoo, the first world country I was a born in is a failed state."

 

[Kiwisee]

Did anyone else hear about the RCMP gunning down five bank robbers of colour in Saanich, BC?

I’m trying to find more info on this as we speak

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Did anyone else hear about the RCMP gunning down five bank robbers of colour in Saanich, BC?

I’m trying to find more info on this as we speak

I Haven't heard but no surprise. feel like BC is on another level. Ontario is known to play it dirty too but the stories I've heard out of B.C are just several steps up from anything here. Everything from the reporters put in jail for reporting on that native land dispute to the journalists winding up dead for asking questions over the years about the money laundering in the housing market. And then there's the recent NDP premier who lets hundreds of homeless people die in the heat a few years ago and then the cold snap and did nothing to help. And that's a ''moderate'' government by BC standards I'm told.

You add that in with all the conveniently ''disappeared'' Native women over there. Christ.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Did anyone else hear about the RCMP gunning down five bank robbers of colour in Saanich, BC?

I’m trying to find more info on this as we speak

There's one article about this. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/saanich-bank-shooting-1.6504519

Police say two suspects are dead, and six members of the Greater Victoria Emergency Response Team are in the hospital following an exchange of gunfire at a bank in Saanich, B.C., on Tuesday.

Officers were called when two armed men believed to be wearing body armour entered a bank on Shelbourne Street at approximately 11 a.m Tuesday.

In a media briefing Tuesday afternoon, Saanich police Chief Dean Duthie said the shooting started when the suspects left the bank, creating a situation that was very dangerous for the public.

"I don't know who fired first at this point. But there were multiple gunshots that were fired. And where we're at, I don't know."

Edit: Cue to "but...but...we have gun control in Canada".