Canada is a failed state

[wry wrangler]

The only way to save Canada now is a total shutdown of all immigration coupled with mass deportations of all Indian nationals, as well as others. It won't happen. Justin Trudeau has destroyed this country, and there's no way to come back from it.

 

[SilentDuck]

I should preface this with, I do think if we were in the same shoes in the 60s, we'd probably be turn out the same & not all boomers are the same (many are going through their own economic crisis),

but its the last slap in the face from the rich boomers who would rather have their pensions supported by millions of cheap Indian coolies (pushing their own kids out of jobs) and take a few last things from the next generation in terms of careers, in terms of demographics, healthcare overloading, and to further worsen the housing crisis. Boomers, and the laptop class liberals.

Poor boomers are terrifying to me because you are talking about people who could have bought a box of baseball cards for a few hundred bucks and thrown them in the attic and have $50,000 now. Every single economic activity, feat of speculation or investment over their lifetime has had exponential and exorbitant returns. These endeavours have been buttressed by unfettered money printing, minimal interest rates for the last 20 years and in doing so boomers created the largest private and public sector debt loads in the history of history. They literally could not loose. And their solutions to all this debt? Creating more debt of course. Now debt loads are so large not even the next 5 generation of humans after them living under a century of austerity could ever pay it off.

Boomers who managed to not become millionaires in such a rigged environment is mind boggling. Every divorced boomer I've ever known who acted like the world was ending in the 80s and 90s easily survived their divorces and started over. By y2k were tripping and falling backwards into a few more fortunes again. I don't know any GenXers anywhere that have recovered from even 3-5 year long marriages that ended in divorce. If you are in Kurt Cobain's generation and you make so much as one mistake or have one life setback especially in this environment you are going to be retiring the same way he did.

How poor boomers managed to be poor is well, a matter of severe and profound boomer personal irresponsibility combined with near criminal negligence twords themselves and their own finances. Sympathy for a generation that is willing to liquidate national government, their own culture, progeny, standard of living, and nation just to either pad or enjoy an unfunded retirement are going to find sympathy in short supply. It also doesn't help when boomer run media runs stories for paying boomers about how bad boomers have it now because a pair of high school educated boomer wagies working wagie jobs their whole lives have only amassed 2-3 million dollars to retire on and that's just not enough today -> "Boomers need more". There isn't any more left unless they want to start hanging out in maternity wards and drinking infant blood and sucking marrow from the bones.

I have also not met a single boomer yet that has any issue with mass immigration. Some are vocally racist, sure. But not in any way opposed to anything they know is going to give them something for nothing at everyone else's expense. All sorts of people would not do what they have done in their shoes. In fact, no one has. Not their parents and not any other other generation of humans anywhere in history. No other culture in the world can even believe that people would do this to their own families, children and country. They just believe old white people are magically rich rather than understand that it had it come to from somewhere, and it certainly wasn't hard work, education or having white skin.

 

[AnOminous]

Poor boomers are terrifying to me because you are talking about people who could have bought a box of baseball cards for a few hundred bucks and thrown them in the attic and have $50,000 now.

Except if everyone had done that, they wouldn't be worth shit.

 

[wry wrangler]

I say this as a dues-paying member of the People's Party of Canada, the only Party that wants to reduce immigration into Canada. Canadian society has already been destroyed by way of mass immigration of racially and culturally dissimilar foreigners. There is no way we can come back from this that doesn't involve mass deportations, which will not occur because of the federal government's multicultural sensitivities.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Boomers who managed to not become millionaires in such a rigged environment is mind boggling. Every divorced boomer I've ever known who acted like the world was ending in the 80s and 90s easily survived their divorces and started over

I don't think that youre going to become a millionaire, but I think the key difference is that in the pre-internet age, and further from that in the pre-neoliberal age (ie international trade, NAFTA in particular, etc)-

you really, really had to go out of your way to fuck up your life. Many people did, of course, but it was so much easier to achieve the middle class lifestyle. Id argue that society was completely oriented around it, which is why, as that lifestyle is failing and disappearing now, its having such drastic effects.

Many boomers did fuck up (ie, the crack epidemic is one big example), but it was also the era where you could just walk in somewhere with a resume and applicants did not include 500+ people in a single day. You can add in stuff like having less overall inflation, the housing bubble not being as huge, the fact that careers still training entry level people locally existed, etc and thats the biggest benefit that they had.

Boomers did have tough times, like the 70s oil crisis and stagflation then, but the big thing is that they were (and still are) the biggest demographic so their concerns were almost always addressed.

The problem with them is they got theirs, and now the hard times are on Gen Xers, who also have their own major problems and can be equally narcissistic or just stuck up (ie Justin Trudeau and most of the laptop class are Gen Xers), who are really fumbling the ball, and then, after that, the millennials.

But for the boomers, I wouldn't say that everyone from their generation should be a millionaire, Id just say that you really had to go out of your way to fuck up. Fucking up then was the exception, not the common denominator. For millennials today, you can do everything right (according to the boomers idea of what the safe path is), and still get fucked.

Ie, been seeing lots of accounting students complaining over the past month about how their field has basically collapsed, none of them can get jobs, and many are working in call centers now or are grossly underpaid for what theyre doing, and can't pay off student debt. I actually used to think accounting was a decent degree choice to get into, but when you see younger millennials not able to pay off the $60,000 debt they took on for it, even that field is astroturfed. That would be the main difference.

You can look at the same thing in other honeypot fields, such as code monkeys or basic programmers starting to lose out on jobs now, in Canada specifically to Indians or AI. Even past that, the big banks and firms are cutting back. For example- TD is cutting 3% of its workforce currently. Its just not a good time for grads.


For me, Im just tired of seeing 'once in a lifetime recessions' after 2008 was declared just that

by way of mass immigration of racially and culturally dissimilar foreigners

If 90% of immigrants are all Indian, ironically, its not actually diverse. I can remember we used to have immigration caps, let alone immigration caps to ensure that not all our immigrants came from a single nation.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

About the boomers. The parents of every poor kid I knew in school had their own house. They werent glamorous homes but they still owned it.

This was early 2000's in Ontario - most people owned their own home. Even the very low skilled boomers like factory workers and gas station attendants had basically or nearly a middle class lifestyle. No one would ever believe it today.

also, If you lived outside of Toronto and it's suburbs you literally never interacted with a foreign person.

 

[Troon Meet Noose]

About the boomers. The parents of every poor kid I knew in school had their own house. They werent glamorous homes but they still owned it.

This was early 2000's in Ontario - most people owned their own home. Even the very low skilled boomers like factory workers and gas station attendants had basically or nearly a middle class lifestyle. No one would ever believe it today.

also, If you lived outside of Toronto and it's suburbs you literally never interacted with a foreign person.

For me almost all of this is untrue but I'm also older than you. The poor kids in school lived in the neighbourhood's shitty rentals. I saw even worse areas, but I don't know what the residents did for work.

I didn't grow up in Toronto but growing up there were kids in school who were foreign born. I had foreign born neighbours.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

* His austerity measures used in Canada were severe.

To be fair, many of the the austerity measures started under Mulroney, but that was a result of Pierre Trudeau's massive deficits that cause MASSIVE inflation and double-digit interest rates.

* Downloaded health care costs onto the provinces.

Looks like Trudeau is aiming to download the costs of refugees onto the cities. Toronto under Olivia Chow is raising taxes and demanding more funding from the Feds because refugees and immigration are a federal responsibility.

Don't forget his many corruption scandals, which Trudeau also seems intent to continue

Not only has Trudeau continued Chretien-era corruption, but far exceeded it because I only remember the Gomery Commission with any clarity. Meanwhile, it's almost a new scandal every month with Trudeau. Even his own vacations become scandals because he leeches off his rich friends and taxpayer, despite being worth nearly nine-figures himself.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Looks like Trudeau is aiming to download the costs of refugees onto the cities. Toronto under Olivia Chow is raising taxes and demanding more funding from the Feds because refugees and immigration are a federal responsibility.

I don't get why the City of Toronto can't just slash Admin salaries and BS contracts.

 

[SilentDuck]

Except if everyone had done that, they wouldn't be worth shit.

Baseball cards are an example of an asset class. Every single asset class owned by baby boomers has been up, up and up non-stop ever since the baby boomer generation got control of the economy is my point. Stock market may correct and go down? QE and bailouts. Real Estate may correct? Flood the country with immigrants and print money and loan it out for almost nothing. Invite BlackRock and the world's globalist to hoard whatever housing supply that baby boomers and their pet immigrants cannot. Baseball cards are not the point, the profound inflation of anything and everything controlled by baby boomers is.

Boomers did have tough times, like the 70s oil crisis and stagflation then, but the big thing is that they were (and still are) the biggest demographic so their concerns were almost always addressed.

The problem with them is they got theirs, and now the hard times are on Gen Xers, who also have their own major problems and can be equally narcissistic or just stuck up (ie Justin Trudeau and most of the laptop class are Gen Xers), who are really fumbling the ball, and then, after that, the millennials.

But for the boomers, I wouldn't say that everyone from their generation should be a millionaire, Id just say that you really had to go out of your way to fuck up. Fucking up then was the exception, not the common denominator. For millennials today, you can do everything right (according to the boomers idea of what the safe path is), and still get fucked.

Ie, been seeing lots of accounting students complaining over the past month about how their field has basically collapsed, none of them can get jobs, and many are working in call centers now or are grossly underpaid for what theyre doing, and can't pay off student debt. I actually used to think accounting was a decent degree choice to get into, but when you see younger millennials not able to pay off the $60,000 debt they took on for it, even that field is astroturfed. That would be the main difference.

You can look at the same thing in other honeypot fields, such as code monkeys or basic programmers starting to lose out on jobs now, in Canada specifically to Indians or AI. Even past that, the big banks and firms are cutting back. For example- TD is cutting 3% of its workforce currently. Its just not a good time for grads.

A million dollars isn't what it was. Owning an unmortgaged 1993 GTA/GVA shitbox townhouse bought for $150k in 1993 turns you into a millionaire in the present rules of today it's not much of a monocle and tuxedo situation.

Boomers could ruin their lives many times over and get a do over anytime. Intact nuclear families and inheritances. Their worst economic situations are just that. Passing situations and nowhere in the same galaxy as what is happening today and today is starting to look permanent. Boomers had vast support systems and social safety nets that they all gleefully shredded. Instant social mobility with education and job prospects that sound like a fairy tale now and basically are. Also as a boomer you got to be as drunk and on drugs as much as you liked. Especially if you can't handle it.

The accounting profession in Canada is flooded with Asians and Indians and they are not good and they barely speak a word of English. Yet they hold accounting degrees and will become CPAs somehow. Every big 4 has a US office in India that they farm out to and low-key outsource the work historically done by entry level and co-op students to the sewers of India. Those qualification hours aren't happening in North America. This is in a profession dim-witted boomers were specifically telling people to get into it since its credentialed and regulated and there is "no way" it can be outsourced like IT. Wound up outsourced at both ends instead. If you can work from home someone from India can do it. Someone from India enrolled in Conestoga as a hair dresser can come and do it too. IT outsourcing has been going for 20 years and the results are still bad but it cuts costs and cutting costs causes bonuses and share value which is all that matter. The alarming thing is the willingness to mix it with the financial services industry.

 

[Clusterfuckk2]

If I was in charge of Toronto (even though its a liberal cesspool of absolute shit) I would let the weather take care of all the immigrants. Do what the Mayor of NY did and tell everyone there is no space in shelters or anywhere so you WILL be sleeping in a tent outside if you come here.
Then they have been given warning and if they choose to come anyway, welp, thats life as a homeless person in Canada.
Of course this is just my wet dream and since all these bureaucrats only care about getting money from the next level of government, dog face chow wouldnt dare.

Rob Ford may have. I long for the days where a crack smoking mayor was the worst thing to happen.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Rob Ford may have. I long for the days where a crack smoking mayor was the worst thing to happen.

The wrong Ford brother died.

 

[Troon Meet Noose]

The wrong Ford brother died.

So did the wrong Trudeau brother.

 

[pentangle]

If I was in charge of Toronto (even though its a liberal cesspool of absolute shit) I would let the weather take care of all the immigrants. Do what the Mayor of NY did and tell everyone there is no space in shelters or anywhere so you WILL be sleeping in a tent outside if you come here.
Then they have been given warning and if they choose to come anyway, welp, thats life as a homeless person in Canada.
Of course this is just my wet dream and since all these bureaucrats only care about getting money from the next level of government, dog face chow wouldnt dare.

Rob Ford may have. I long for the days where a crack smoking mayor was the worst thing to happen.

Honestly they should probably prioritize every non-drug user over every drug user. At least some immigrants are useful and work actual jobs unlike all the random small-town fentanyl addicts littered all over southern ontario. I'm so tired of leaving work every day only to have to dodge some 6'5" fucker running down the street psychotically screaming at nothing.

 

[Butterschmalz]

They're bullshitting you, and there's literally no reason for them to stop because no one with a shred of power has called them on it in a very long time and there's nothing really to suggest that it's going to change, at least in any impactful way.

How about this take?

 

[wry wrangler]

You know the problem is bad when even the CBC is starting to cover it, even if they fill their coverage with all sorts of excuses for the problem. Also I don't know if I've mentioned it but I absolutely hate the term 'international' student. They're not 'international,' they're foreigners.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

You know the problem is bad when even the CBC is starting to cover it, even if they fill their coverage with all sorts of excuses for the problem.

The shot callers at the CBC can probably see which way the wind is blowing, politically speaking, and are probably starting go hedge their bets.

They can’t completely pivot, Trudeau still signs off on “less than 70%” of the CBC’s funding - Musk putting that 69% Government Funded tag on their account before they bailed made me laugh far too much - but I imagine that privately, people are starting to catch on that Trudy’s time in office is hopefully running out.

I swear to God if any of these fuckers promise Term Limits for PM, I know who I’d vote for in a fucking heartbeat…

 

[Betonhaus]

You know the problem is bad when even the CBC is starting to cover it, even if they fill their coverage with all sorts of excuses for the problem. Also I don't know if I've mentioned it but I absolutely hate the term 'international' student. They're not 'international,' they're foreigners.

Honestly I could probably make a book pointing out every single time CBC has inserted opinions or just straight up lies into their articles and tried to pass them off as facts

 

[wry wrangler]

Pierre Poilievre calls for the end of all subsidies for the CBC, but I see no reason why the federal government shouldn't just shut down the CBC. It contributes nothing to society except to carry water for the Liberal Party, I see no reason for the CBC to continue. The next government should simply shut it down. It's not like anybody watches anything on the CBC anyways except for HNIC.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

You know the problem is bad when even the CBC is starting to cover it, even if they fill their coverage with all sorts of excuses for the problem. Also I don't know if I've mentioned it but I absolutely hate the term 'international' student. They're not 'international,' they're foreigners.

International students are supposed to mean White kids from the US or Europe here for a semester or two.

Instead it means infinite Jeets that even the chinks no longer want to come here.