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What is your favorite car? (Top 3)

  • Ame Sea

    Votes: 6 1.7%
  • Ferd

    Votes: 76 21.9%
  • Chevus

    Votes: 29 8.4%
  • Crintzler

    Votes: 5 1.4%
  • Doge

    Votes: 38 11.0%
  • Beem Dubya

    Votes: 27 7.8%
  • Mersaydis

    Votes: 28 8.1%
  • Volts-Wagon

    Votes: 30 8.6%
  • FIOT

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Joop

    Votes: 21 6.1%
  • Alphonse Romero

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Vulva

    Votes: 34 9.8%
  • Teslur

    Votes: 11 3.2%
  • Mincooper

    Votes: 6 1.7%
  • Knee-Son

    Votes: 17 4.9%
  • Hun-die

    Votes: 11 3.2%
  • Toyoder

    Votes: 122 35.2%
  • Hondo

    Votes: 89 25.6%
  • Subrue

    Votes: 47 13.5%

  • Total voters
    347
I recently got a 2014 Land Cruiser L200 with 150k miles on it for 37k.

Worth

every

fucking

cent

Bone stock with street looking tires it is out performing brand new Wranglers with 30k worth of bullshit offroading equipment on them and it absolutely embarrasses every offroad rig I've seen on the trails in terms of ride quality too, except for the Lexus GXs and LXs but we all know there's a reason for that.
 
I recently got a 2014 Land Cruiser L200 with 150k miles on it for 37k.

Worth

every

fucking

cent
Congrats! You'll probably never need to buy another car ever again (seriously).

idk what the Land Cruiser resale value is like in the US, but in Australia it's almost like having money in the bank. You can keep a LC for 20 years and put 300,000 miles on it and still get at least 20k dollarydoos for it. As an added bonus, you can still buy old-timey 70 Series LCs over here brand new. Krauts have the G-Wagen and the Russkies have the Lada Niva, but us Abbos have this:

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Congrats! You'll probably never need to buy another car ever again (seriously).

idk what the Land Cruiser resale value is like in the US, but in Australia it's almost like having money in the bank. You can keep a LC for 20 years and put 300,000 miles on it and still get at least 20k dollarydoos for it. As an added bonus, you can still buy old-timey 70 Series LCs over here brand new. Krauts have the G-Wagen and the Russkies have the Lada Niva, but us Abbos have this:

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Yeah, I had secretly wanted one for years because when I worked in Africa all our bush recovery crews that drove all over Southern and Eastern Africa to get parts and mechanics out to us when they couldn't spare a plane all were Land Cruisers with 350k-700k miles on them and with the original transmissions, engines and in one case, spark plugs. But they're hilariously rare in the US (Toyota only sells like 3k of them a year out here with Toyota badges. The others get Lexus badges and leather seats and a little less power) so when you find one, it costs new 3 series money even with the miles well over 100K and a decade or more in use.

My wife didn't get why I wanted to spend so much on one, but we went out with it and her new Wrangler and she saw the LC was handling everything without issue while her brand new Jeep was struggling and not nearly as comfortable. Even our kids are in the "Dad's car, best car" camp despite it not looking nearly as "cool" as the Jeep
 
Yeah, I had secretly wanted one for years because when I worked in Africa all our bush recovery crews that drove all over Southern and Eastern Africa to get parts and mechanics out to us when they couldn't spare a plane all were Land Cruisers with 350k-700k miles on them and with the original transmissions, engines and in one case, spark plugs.
Sounds similar to outback Australia. There are LCs all over mining sites, remote communities and so on. Many of them have done hundreds of thousands of miles on some of the world's shittiest roads in 45C/120F heat, year in year out.

The LC earned its chops here in the '50s when they were used as support vehicles for the Snowy Mountains Scheme. In the '70s, Toyota Australia tracked down the very first LC used on the Snowy scheme and have kept it ever since.
But they're hilariously rare in the US (Toyota only sells like 3k of them a year out here with Toyota badges. The others get Lexus badges and leather seats and a little less power)
You guys are missing out. The LC is one of the top 10 selling vehicles in Australia, and has been for years despite being pretty expensive. $80k dollarydoos ($60k Freedom bux) for the base model. Then ofc there's the obligatory $20k ($15k) of extra shit from ARB on top.
when you find one, it costs new 3 series money even with the miles well over 100K and a decade or more in use.
If I had the choice between a brand new 3 Series and a 10 year old LC200, I know which one I'd have (hint: not the Bimmer).

Off on a slightly different tangent, I find it hilarious that so many Americans still refer to cars like Toyota and Honda as imports when so many of them are made in the USA, whereas cars from the Big Three that are made in Mexico are "domestic".
 
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I recently got a 2014 Land Cruiser L200 with 150k miles on it for 37k.

Worth

every

fucking

cent

Bone stock with street looking tires it is out performing brand new Wranglers with 30k worth of bullshit offroading equipment on them and it absolutely embarrasses every offroad rig I've seen on the trails in terms of ride quality too, except for the Lexus GXs and LXs but we all know there's a reason for that.
Congrats my guy that's a great buy even at that mileage. I was actually in the market for a J150 GX460 not too long ago but someone else sniped it before I could make an offer. Ended up buying another cheap, but low mileage BMW instead. I'm still sorta casually looking for a body on frame rig but probably won't happen for a while.
 
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Congrats my guy that's a great buy even at that mileage. I was actually in the market for a J150 GX460 not too long ago but someone else sniped it before I could make an offer. Ended up buying another cheap, but low mileage BMW instead. I'm still sorta casually looking for a body on frame rig but probably won't happen for a while.
GXs are legitimately great cars. My buddy has one and it's the reason why I got the land cruiser itch 16 years later. We did a wine tasting event with the wives in it and when we got on dicey diet roads on a rainy day in it, the damn thing handled it without a hiccup or an uncomfortable bump. Lexus knows how to make a ridiculously comfortable car
 
I recently got a 2014 Land Cruiser L200 with 150k miles on it for 37k.

Worth

every

fucking

cent

Bone stock with street looking tires it is out performing brand new Wranglers with 30k worth of bullshit offroading equipment on them and it absolutely embarrasses every offroad rig I've seen on the trails in terms of ride quality too, except for the Lexus GXs and LXs but we all know there's a reason for that.
Show it off for us!
 
Imagine thinking anyone would fab parts for newshit when it can just be crushed. Better yet, imagine 'over 300 confirmed kills'ing at me because you can't accept that someone might enjoy something for reasons other than pure practicality. Reliability, cheap parts, and ease of access are about the only 3 things old cars have going for them, but I'd drive just a frame and driveline with a seat if I could get away with it.

It's not practical. It's just better.
Lol.
 
Show it off for us!
It will self dox hard if I post current I already have my work shit on it. I' still have the saved headshots from the dealer though

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On the passenger's side doors you can see a little where the door got reshaped after the previous owner got t-boned by an atv
 
GXs are legitimately great cars. My buddy has one and it's the reason why I got the land cruiser itch 16 years later. We did a wine tasting event with the wives in it and when we got on dicey diet roads on a rainy day in it, the damn thing handled it without a hiccup or an uncomfortable bump. Lexus knows how to make a ridiculously comfortable car
Comfort and reliability are the biggest draws to Lexus no doubt. It's amazing how little Toyota products lose in value because of that. However, if BMW had a body on frame rig with similar tow capacities to a J150, I'd be all over that. Unfortunately all of their cars past and present are monocoque unibodies. Closest thing to that would be a LR2/3 I suppose but that lacks in towing ability.
 
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I love mid-late 60's Plymouths. I've had a few and I was in love with every one of them. Ultimately though, they're not practical in any sense so they moved on to people who can live with getting 8 MPG and lie awake at night worrying about floor-pans rusting out.
 
It will self dox hard if I post current I already have my work shit on it. I' still have the saved headshots from the dealer though

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On the passenger's side doors you can see a little where the door got reshaped after the previous owner got t-boned by an atv
That is a nice looking Land Cruiser. I know there's the "million mile Lexus LS" thing floating around the internet, but the Land Cruiser will keep up with the best of them in terms of mileage. Though I would be aware of the theft issue surrounding the LCs due to the global market for stolen ones. The keyless entry feature especially being a point of vulnerability.
Unfortunately all of their cars past and present are monocoque unibodies. Closest thing to that would be a LR2/3 I suppose but that lacks in towing ability.
I feel ya, I also miss when more cars and trucks were body on frame.
 
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To avoid powerleveling too much I’ll just say that my occupation is deeply involved in analyzing certain aspects of the design and production of virtually any make and model of vehicle (among other things) in a way that gives me a lot of insight into how the sausage is made, why it’s made that way, and how it can be made better.

I also work on cars as a hobby, going as far as doing “advanced” stuff like rebuilding transmissions and designing retrofit wire harnesses in my free time. Modern cars in general are not more difficult to work on than the cars of yesteryear, either because most of them do not require service as regularly as older vehicles or because they just require different skills, knowledge, and sometimes tools because the technologies are either new or have evolved. No shit that a modern EFI system can’t be tuned with a screwdriver and your ear like a carburetor. It requires different tools and skills (both of which are easy to acquire thanks to the Internet) and with those in your possession it’s as easy or even easier to work on. It’s also far more capable, more reliable, and superior by every virtually metric that matters. This is just baby duck syndrome shit.

That said, some cars, regardless of the era, are a gigantic pain in the dick to wrench on either due to difficulty or due to the seemingly constant need for maintenance. For instance, some older vehicles, while comparatively simple, can have insatiable appetites for parts (oh boy new serpentine belts for a Corvair every ~10k miles!) which, even when cheap and easy, gets really tiresome. They may also require shit that the average Joe isn’t going to be comfortable with at relatively short intervals compared to a modern vehicle, such as valve lash adjustments. To offer a modern example for the sake of fairness, I generally refuse to work on BMWs from the past ~15 years because shit that should be dead simple, such as replacing a valve cover gasket, is a 2- or 3-hour ordeal and requires a tool cart worth of torx/e-torx/pentalobe/MOTHERFUCKING TRIPLE-SQUARE sockets and bits because G*rmans are a fucking plague. I can do the same on a modern Honda in like half an hour or less with a basic tool kit.

Any bitching about parts availability applies to all cars, eventually. For example, try sourcing new targa top seals for your 1983 Shitbox GT and you’ll find that they either no longer exist, are made of dubious quality by a single company, or virtually all of the ones available are hoarded by some dude in Kentucky with a Web 1.0 e-store that had the foresight to snatch all the remaining stock of OEM parts 20 years ago because he knew he could extort $800+ per seal out of other, desperate, 1983 Shitbox GT owners.

Modern vehicles, as vehicles, are generally just better than old ones. This is objectively true. However, for a car enthusiast this is SUBJECTIVELY false. I love many vehicles, even ones that were widely considered to be trash when they were still new. I usually see an inherent worthiness in most cars and I believe that a vintage survivor is proof of the commitment and passion of its owner just by virtue of its continued existence. I get unreasonably excited to see something like, say, a mint condition Chevy Vega rolling around. Whomever has that thing in the current year must LOVE that car, so how couldn’t that bring smiles wherever it goes? Every vehicle has a character, and strengths, and weaknesses. Nearly every vehicle or marque, even the stuff that I dismiss or dislike, has someone, somewhere, that is passionate about it. That’s wonderful.
 
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I swear we have like 3 of these lol. I just got my jaguar back from service and fuck that was pricy.

Clearly needs more done but this was a glory shot I took before leaving park last week in my tr3a.

She's a hoot. I love a kinds of cars and owned so many over the years. But the raw behavior and quirk of little English things has been my kick all summer plus when jaguar was away my only roofless toy.
 

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Nearly every vehicle or marque, even the stuff that I dismiss or dislike, has someone, somewhere, that is passionate about it. That’s wonderful.

So are you saying that there are people that are passionate about Daewoos, even though the brand died out almost 20 years ago, and is now part of General Motors now?
 
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So are you saying that there are people that are passionate about Daewoos, even though the brand died out almost 20 years ago, and is now part of General Motors now?
If people collect Lada then I'm sure some mad lad is out there.

Also I really want those Daewoo rifles. I'd rather them back than the cars.
 
To avoid powerleveling too much I’ll just say that my occupation is deeply involved in analyzing certain aspects of the design and production of virtually any make and model of vehicle (among other things) in a way that gives me a lot of insight into how the sausage is made, why it’s made that way, and how it can be made better.

I also work on cars as a hobby, going as far as doing “advanced” stuff like rebuilding transmissions and designing retrofit wire harnesses in my free time. Modern cars in general are not more difficult to work on than the cars of yesteryear, either because most of them do not require service as regularly as older vehicles or because they just require different skills, knowledge, and sometimes tools because the technologies are either new or have evolved. No shit that a modern EFI system can’t be tuned with a screwdriver and your ear like a carburetor. It requires different tools and skills (both of which are easy to acquire thanks to the Internet) and with those in your possession it’s as easy or even easier to work on. It’s also far more capable, more reliable, and superior by every virtually metric that matters. This is just baby duck syndrome shit.

That said, some cars, regardless of the era, are a gigantic pain in the dick to wrench on either due to difficulty or due to the seemingly constant need for maintenance. For instance, some older vehicles, while comparatively simple, can have insatiable appetites for parts (oh boy new serpentine belts for a Corvair every ~10k miles!) which, even when cheap and easy, gets really tiresome. They may also require shit that the average Joe isn’t going to be comfortable with at relatively short intervals compared to a modern vehicle, such as valve lash adjustments. To offer a modern example for the sake of fairness, I generally refuse to work on BMWs from the past ~15 years because shit that should be dead simple, such as replacing a valve cover gasket, is a 2- or 3-hour ordeal and requires a tool cart worth of torx/e-torx/pentalobe/MOTHERFUCKING TRIPLE-SQUARE sockets and bits because G*rmans are a fucking plague. I can do the same on a modern Honda in like half an hour or less with a basic tool kit.

Any bitching about parts availability applies to all cars, eventually. For example, try sourcing new targa top seals for your 1983 Shitbox GT and you’ll find that they either no longer exist, are made of dubious quality by a single company, or virtually all of the ones available are hoarded by some dude in Kentucky with a Web 1.0 e-store that had the foresight to snatch all the remaining stock of OEM parts 20 years ago because he knew he could extort $800+ per seal out of other, desperate, 1983 Shitbox GT owners.

Modern vehicles, as vehicles, are generally just better than old ones. This is objectively true. However, for a car enthusiast this is SUBJECTIVELY false. I love many vehicles, even ones that were widely considered to be trash when they were still new. I usually see an inherent worthiness in most cars and I believe that a vintage survivor is proof of the commitment and passion of its owner just by virtue of its continued existence. I get unreasonably excited to see something like, say, a mint condition Chevy Vega rolling around. Whomever has that thing in the current year must LOVE that car, so how couldn’t that bring smiles wherever it goes? Every vehicle has a character, and strengths, and weaknesses. Nearly every vehicle or marque, even the stuff that I dismiss or dislike, has someone, somewhere, that is passionate about it. That’s wonderful.
It seems you definitely have more experience with the nitty gritty stuff that goes into auto manufacturing but I have to disagree with you on your point about old BMWs. I used to also think that BMWs are useless money pits and impossible to work on, but after a few years of owning them, I can wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, I used to own a reliable Japanese car but after getting bit by the BMW bug, my whole fleet consists of only bimmers. While some BMW models are more troublesome like the E60 M5 and various N54 equipped models. I think the vast majority of modern classic BMW are a joy to work on as everything is logically designed making maintenance a breeze.

That being said, my experience is only with port injected BMWs, so everything before the N series of engines. I've become rather intimate with the E46 (1999 - 2006) and M54 chassis/engine, the engine of which is shared among many other models of that era. The valve cover job on the M54 is very easy and does not require any torx/star bits. It's just your typical 10mm hex. However, to do bigger jobs you do need a set of torx, etorx, wobble extensions, etc but any competent garage monkey will have that in their toolset. I think that's even more true with modern cars as etorx are really loved by machines in the manufacturing process. Once you really start working on these bimmers you get to appreciate the thought that went into the design for serviceability.
 
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