Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

[brownsuagrbubbletea]

Speaking of Black Magical Girls....
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I doubt anyone would find a Pilot like this remotely interesting just because the characters are all Black...

Late reply but god one of my biggest gripes within the indie animation scene is that people don’t explain the plot of the stories they are pitching to a crowd.

Like I feel like at the very least we should know who and what the characters are but from what I’ve seen it happen so often sadly.

 

[The Great One]

 

[invisibult plus+]

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For a second I thought he was making fun of the other one. Here’s the original post. I’ll archive later Ghostarchive is still fucking down so whatever, but he explained it like this:

I’m of two minds about it. There’ll always be people like Vivzie who dig in their fucking heels, because throwing your premises out the window and having everyone talk like 2020’s teenagers are done for ~valid artistic reasons,~ yet I can’t help but be shocked that someone actually made fun of a show like that so bluntly. It doesn’t look bad, it just looks inoffensive. Disregard.

 

[Coolio55]

Late reply but god one of my biggest gripes within the indie animation scene is that people don’t explain the plot of the stories they are pitching to a crowd.

It's usually because they don't actually have one. Just a setting and a vague idea.
And if they do, you fucking bet that it'll change mid-production.

 

[Colon capital V]

For a second I thought he was making fun of the other one. Here’s the original post. I’ll archive later, but he explained it like this:
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I’m of two minds about it. There’ll always be people like Vivzie who dig in their fucking heels, because throwing your premises out the window and having everyone talk like 2020’s teenagers are done for ~valid artistic reasons,~ yet I can’t help but be shocked that someone actually made fun of a show like that so bluntly. It doesn’t look bad, it just looks inoffensive.

That "JohnSmith" person is a Ongezellig fan/artist, make of that what you will.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

For a second I thought he was making fun of the other one. Here’s the original post. I’ll archive later, but he explained it like this:
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I’m of two minds about it. There’ll always be people like Vivzie who dig in their fucking heels, because throwing your premises out the window and having everyone talk like 2020’s teenagers are done for ~valid artistic reasons,~ yet I can’t help but be shocked that someone actually made fun of a show like that so bluntly. It doesn’t look bad, it just looks inoffensive.

He's not wrong, but he's also missing the key problem: this is an anime-inspired Western cartoon written by and for people who hate anime and hate animation in general. They don't want to make a *show*, a visual storytelling medium, they want to write millenial-tier witticisms. Fully half the medium, the visual action happening on-screen, is ignored by these people because it's dirt easy to write dialogue, but storyboarding a spacebattle or a dinosaur chase or a couple at a dance is difficult. And then of course there's their thinly-veiled contempt for the genre they're aping, which leads them to constantly make obvious subversions.

I have seen more respect for the medium in Critical Role fan animatics.

 

[invisibult plus+]

He's not wrong, but he's also missing the key problem: this is an anime-inspired Western cartoon written by and for people who hate anime and hate animation in general. They don't want to make a *show*, a visual storytelling medium, they want to write millenial-tier witticisms. Fully half the medium, the visual action happening on-screen, is ignored by these people because it's dirt easy to write dialogue, but storyboarding a spacebattle or a dinosaur chase or a couple at a dance is difficult. And then of course there's their thinly-veiled contempt for the genre they're aping, which leads them to constantly make obvious subversions.

I have seen more respect for the medium in Critical Role fan animatics.

I just watched some of Episode 2 and I see your point I take back what I said before. Aika in particular won't stop quipping every 5 seconds, but Zika's dialogue is really bad. "Right yea, stuff to do. I do stuff, because I'm well-adjusted and have... hobbies." delivered in a nervous "Yup, I can adult, because I'm a heckin' adult now with... a job." way.

Oh my fucking God and the villain said, "If you die in real life, you die for real."
Then Wyt Boy was like, "That's- generally how it works yea."
"So try not to get shot or whatever."

Abysmal. It's nothing but Millennial-tier witticisms. Would it kill these people to go outside?

 

[Cave Fisher]

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I should probably watch the show to have an actual opinion, but I still haven't touched it because I'm already like 80% sure a vast majority of the dialogue will just be like "Umm, being a magical girl is crazy, I just wanna be back home adulting" while the show uses a surface-level anime aesthetic for no reason other than flavor while being western in basically every aspect.

Then again, isn't Ongezellig that show with Tomoko But Tan?

 

[Biggest Bubba]

Finally, the sister to this PJs character.

Thr PJs needs a reboot series.

 

[The Great One]

Thr PJs needs a reboot series.

It would be a miracle but I don't think fox, laika, or eddie murphy wanna touch the pj's

I should probably watch the show to have an actual opinion, but I still haven't touched it because I'm already like 80% sure a vast majority of the dialogue will just be like "Umm, being a magical girl is crazy, I just wanna be back home adulting" while the show uses a surface-level anime aesthetic for no reason other than flavor while being western in basically every aspect.

Then again, isn't Ongezellig that show with Tomoko But Tan?

Its not even a show really, its 2 episodes are animatics, the shows about 2 black girls. 1 is a magical girl and hates being one and the other one weebs out whenever shes around the magical girl. Its not really styled like a anime, its styled like any indie/Disney tv animation show.

 

[Captain Catgut]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgxIKJo4eBA

(posted in the wrong thread dang but have a koth clip)

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

these designs look like theyd've been more surreal and interesting,

they look more like a Duckman sort of thing
are there other HB-style totally fucking bland cartoons that actually have crazy design sheets? this is like finding out Bland Tatsunoko Main Guy #43 is actually designed by Yoshitaka Amano

 

[Chromeo]

1 is a magical girl and hates being one

I don't want to watch it, is there a reason she hates being a magical girl? The only real "magical girl" series I've seen that isn't just a superhero show about little girls is the series of Madoka movies, and for them, I get why they wouldn't want to be magical girls. Their whole deal is getting magic powers to kill monsters, but someday they're guaranteed to die because of it and turn into those very same monsters. There's no avoiding the process either, if they don't kill monsters, they just turn into monsters faster. They can't get rid of their magical things because then they die anyway. The one girl goes insane Groundhog Day'ing herself over and over trying to keep the main character from becoming a magical girl for that very reason, to spare her that inevitability.
Is there a similar thing in "pretty please whatever long-ass title," or is it just Joss Whedon-style snarking about "anime is so stupid and I'm so much cooler than it" for 20 minutes an episode? Like, is there a valid catch or reason she doesn't want to be a magical girl, or is it just "yeah w/e sparkly dresses and transformation sequences is dumb, I want to go home and play xbox."

 

[The Great One]

I don't want to watch it, is there a reason she hates being a magical girl?

from what i've grasped from the pilot, the magical girl wants to be normal but has annoying kissass star sidekick, then some faggy drama kid looking villan shows up, and finds her secret identity, she literally beats him up with a lead pipe does a transformation sequence from her magical girl suit to her regular one.
the show basically seems to me like "we wuz owl houze n'shieeeet"

is it just "yeah w/e sparkly dresses and transformation sequences is dumb, I want to go home and play xbox."

kind of like that.

 

[Chromeo]

from what i've grasped from the pilot, the magical girl wants to be normal but has annoying kissass star sidekick, then some faggy drama kid looking villan shows up, and finds her secret identity, she literally beats him up with a lead pipe does a transformation sequence from her magical girl suit to her regular one.
the show basically seems to me like "we wuz owl houze n'shieeeet"

kind of like that.

uggghhhh
Isn't a magical girl's thing giving people hope and stopping bad guys that get in the way of that? Why not have star girl or w/e her name is be depressed and that's why she "doesn't want to do it," because she's literally got 0 hope, so the sidekick girl who LOVES all this shit is the one giving her the hope to just barely get up and fight. It's still subversive, and it's still got the "I don't wanna do it," but instead of being a selfish loser kid the protagonist just needs a push because the very villain she's been conscripted to fight has already beaten her down before she even got her powers. It ties into itself!

 

[The Great One]

the sidekick girl who LOVES all this shit is the one giving her the hope to just barely get up and fight.

No the sidekicks girl is a nerdy loser who reads manga and likes anime (literally the polar opposite of most niggresses in school) basically anytime the magical girl does something magical (which she hates because she wants to be a normal kid) the sidekick girl just goes "OMG YOUR MAGICAL N'SHIEEET!!!!!!" and has a yuri moment or something basically falling in love with her, I guess. As for the other sidekick (the talking star) all it does is nag her to be a magical girl whenever evil happens, and whenever she's normal the star's just bored.

 

[SpiderBitch]

No the sidekicks girl is a nerdy loser who reads manga and likes anime (literally the polar opposite of most niggresses in school) basically anytime the magical girl does something magical (which she hates because she wants to be a normal kid) the sidekick girl just goes "OMG YOUR MAGICAL N'SHIEEET!!!!!!" and has a yuri moment or something basically falling in love with her, I guess. As for the other sidekick (the talking star) all it does is nag her to be a magical girl whenever evil happens, and whenever she's normal the star's just bored.

Sounds like hell tbh understandable thats shes not loving the gig if she has to deal with the dweeb weeb because of it.
At least according to the last pitch i saw the main girl was gonna cuck the nerd loser with the villian boy lol.

But overall, at least its not wasting network money or anything. Way better than other slop thats just forced upon you and is only decent thanks to network meddling. I feel like its allowed to be cringe if it amounts to just being an elaborate OC project but on yt instead of deviantart/a webcomic.
Which... they probably shouldve just made it a webtoon original if actually animating it is too much work?
They already couldve had a significant amount of the story put out with the same amount of effort (sacrificing the bad voicework and a lot of the unnecessary frames in the animatics for colouring), and still sell printed versions & merch, make animated & voiced promo and even do a full animated adaptation later if theres enough interest anyways.

Sure, webcomics are usually less popular than webanimations, but you dont run the risk of the hype dying out before youre actually done producing something, and manga is just as good for this trope as anime anyways so might as well make a comic instead of a cartoon if you have limited resources and save the animating for small promo clips.
Lore olympus is p trash but the promo is pretty good for a webcomic.

If you really care about something and would be able to make it yourself in a format that is almost just as good, why wouldnt you do that instead of sit around waiting for funding/free labour?
Also there's a lot of unnecessary swearing in it for how childish it is. Honestly a shame that it just hassss to be an indie animation for adults instead of a cheesy comic for middle schoolers.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

is it just Joss Whedon-style snarking about "anime is so stupid and I'm so much cooler than it" for 20 minutes an episode? Like, is there a valid catch or reason she doesn't want to be a magical girl, or is it just "yeah w/e sparkly dresses and transformation sequences is dumb, I want to go home and play xbox."

You know the answer. Millennial writing is all about being "subversive" and "meta", and magical girls are prime for being "deconstructed" by some libtard womanchild shitting all over her childhood for not being "qweer" enough.

 

[assclown]

"anime is so stupid and I'm so much cooler than it"

semi related, companies like Nickelondeon realize anime is more popular than most cartoons that they literally had dragon ball diama as an option for best cartoon for kids choice awards last year. we saw this alot last year, demon slayer was a box office hit and movies about Asia like kpop demon hunters destoryed the box office. i remember when the dragon ball super movies came out i had to go to a certain theater to watch them since they weren't nationwide but i'm sure they would be today and would be hits. i heard they are making a canon one piece movie based on the god valley incident and that will easily make a billion.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

None of these Pilots are even remotely interesting in the slightest...

LITERALLY diet anime. Why even ape a style if you can't commit to it?