CenturyLink/Qwest/Layer3 blocks Kiwi Farms

[PixarsTedKennedy]

Josh, hear me out. You troon out as a way to get them to leave you alone. You don't even have to cut of your dick or take hormones. Just make an form announcement and say your new name is Joshaline. Do this for 6 months and when they stop just revert back.

As funny as this would be they would say he's not genuine. Like when an lgtbq nigger shoots up a nightclub and they say they're fake.

 

[siegemeister675]

It's funny to me that I have been the biggest advocate of Total Retard War for so long and now that even @Null is on board I'm too busy with family, friends and Christmas stuff to take a great part. Merry Christmas ya filthy animals, we'll keep fighting and we will win.

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

As funny as this would be they would say he's not genuine. Like when an lgtbq nigger shoots up a nightclub and they say they're fake.

But that invalidates their entire "believe" argument. Remember that record numbers of criminals are trooning out and the troons, elites and MSM are backing them for the sake of the narrative. You forget that this issue has taken on the logic of "believe all women" in that they pretend that making up such a claim is so unbelievably unlikely that it's near impossible. (basically "saying your a troon is all that matters... because someone who is a troon would never lie about this kind of thing")

 

[WelperHelper99]

As funny as this would be they would say he's not genuine. Like when an lgtbq nigger shoots up a nightclub and they say they're fake.

But it would be funny to see the chimpout. Remember. Total. Retard. War. Our retardation trumps their sperging.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I need to explain to every kiwi reading this the common law principle of Standing.

What is "Standing". You hear it alot these days. Especially in reference to election malfeasance. But what is "Standing" actually?

In short. Standing is something that occurs when you are harmed in violation of the law under the jurisdiction of a court that has both personal jurisdiction over you, and subject matter jurisdiction over the causal incident.

A good way to think of this is a simple traffic infraction. You ran the red light in bumfuckville and the Sheriff of Bumfuckville cited you. Since the traffic law of bumfuckville falls under the review of the bumfuckville court, that court has subject matter jurisdiction over all traffic infractions I'm bumfuckville.

Since you drove into bumfuckville, broke the law and got caught, the court of bumfuckville also has personal jurisdiction over you, that they can then apply their subject matter jurisdiction.


Why is this important?

It's important because common law countries like the US, UK, Australia and New Zealand require a cause and effect to bring claims. You have to be wronged, and specifically wronged in a way that gives that court just cause ro claim jurisdiction and apply remedy.

And in the case of Tier 1 ISP providers, you have a powerful remedy.

The Tortous of Interference. As Class Action. Every Tier 1 ISP that interferes with your ability to peer with Kiwifarms.net is engaging in third party Interference of business relations between us and Null. We are entitled to.compensation for our aggravation, which is the sum total of our damages.

Which I assess to be around 100 dollars each plus fees and costs. Multiplied around 10,000 times to encompass a modest estimate of 1 Million dollars in damages collectively to be applied individually to each Tier 1 ISP.

And that is just in the USA for civil action. Individual kiwis can also submit criminal complaints to their various governments, but I doubt those will go far.

@Null, weaponize your mob. If these Tier 1 ISPs do not relent, file suit. As a Class action. And ask us all to sign on as plaintiffs. Not just for tortious interference. There are other causes of action that can be brought by class action too. By yourself, you are entitled to thousands of dollars in damages. Collectively, WE. The Royal WE. Are entitled to millions.

Millions. From every ISP blocking the farms.

Each. And include Liz Fong Jones as well. Let that faggot squirm under the possibility of having to pay 20 dollars a pop to thousands of kiwis.

 

[Skylab TIger]

I need to explain to every kiwi reading this the common law principle of Standing.

What is "Standing". You hear it alot these days. Especially in reference to election malfeasance. But what is "Standig" actually?

In short. Standing is something that occurs when you are harmed in violation of the law jnder the jurisdiction of a court that has both personal jurisdiction over you, and subject matter jurisdiction over the causal incident.

A good way to think of this is a simple traffic infraction. You ran the red light in bumfuckville and the Sheriff of Bumfuckville cited you. Since the traffic law of bumfuckville falls under the review of the bumfuckville court, that court has subject matter jurisdiction over all traffic infractions I'm bumfuckville.

Since you drove into bumfuckville, broke the law and got caught, the cover of bymfuckville also has personal jurisdiction over you, that they can then apply their subject matter jurisdiction.


Why is this important?

It's important because commonaw countries like the US, UK, Australia and New Zealand require a cause and effect to bring claims. You have to be wronged, and specifically wronged in a way that gives that court just cause ro claim jurisdiction and apply remedy.

And in the case of Tier 1 ISP providers, you have a powerful remedy.

The Tortous of Interference. As Class Action. Every Tier 1 ISP that interferes with your ability to peer with Kiwifarms.net is engaging in third party Interference of business relations between us and Null. We are entitled to.compensation for our aggravation, which is the sum total of our damages.

Which I assess to be around 100 dollars each plus fees and costs. Multiplied around 10,000 times to encompass a modest estimate of 1 Million dollars in damages collectively to be applied individually to each Tier 1 ISP.

And that is just in the USA for civil action. Individual kiwis can also submit criminal complaints to their various governments, but I doubt those will go far.

@Null, weaponize your mob. If these Tier 1 ISPs do not relent, file suit. As a Class action. And ask us all to sign on as plaintiffs. By yourself, you are entitled to thousands of dollars in damages. Collectively, WE. The Royal WE. Are entitled to millions.

Millions. From every ISP blocking the farms.

Each.

I definitely wouldn’t serve as name plaintiff but would join the class and file a claim. Only problem with this is we’d probably all be forced to dox ourselves no ?

 

[mindlessobserver]

I definitely wouldn’t serve as name plaintiff but would join the class and file a claim. Only problem with this is we’d probably all be forced to dox ourselves no ?

Yes. Class actions are omnibus lawsuits served on behalf of an aggrieved class of people. Each member of the class is a plaintiff, though the rules get a bit funky and esoteric. All the plaintiffs don't get listed on the filings, but they are known by the defendant. Including their legal names and addresses.

That is the trade off on going the class action route. What you get in exchange though is the weaponization of of the masses. Individually the damages may be a few hundred dollars. But collectively they are in the millions.

 

[Skylab TIger]

Yes. Class actions are omnibus lawsuits served on behalf of an aggrieved class of people. Each member of the class is a plaintiff, though the rules get a bit funky and esoteric. All the plaintiffs don't get listed on the filings, but they are known by the defendant. Including their legal names and addresses.

That is the trade off on going the class action route. What you get in exchange though is the weaponization of of the masses. Individually the damages may be a few hundred dollars. But collectively they are in the millions.

I’m sure the troon army would find a way to leak the class member names and addresses. I’m not sure everyone is in a business relationship as membership here is free.

I doubt Tier 1 ISPs would balk at spending hundreds of thousands defending a class action as it’s a tax deduction for them and it’s not really their money the executives are spending. But they might prefer to just connect us rather than engage in lawfare?

Are you aware of any statutes that award attorneys fees that apply?
Also i would suspect that most people have waived the right to join a class action in their terms of service with their ISP but I could be wrong.

Perhaps we could connect with right leaning civil rights law firm or even far left leaning civil rights law firm who are smart enough to see the implications.

If a bunch of loud troons can do this, imagine what the party in power can do to political enemies on both sides of aisle. I know a lot of people think the Twitter files are a nothing burger but I disagree .

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

But that invalidates their entire "believe" argument. Remember that record numbers of criminals are trooning out and the troons, elites and MSM are backing them for the sake of the narrative. You forget that this issue has taken on the logic of "believe all women" in that they pretend that making up such a claim is so unbelievably unlikely that it's near impossible. (basically "saying your a troon is all that matters... because someone who is a troon would never lie about this kind of thing")

When you think about it, it would actually be a death blow to the whole narrative that there's never a pretender tranny and raise questions about the reality of trendsgenderism that couldn't be reconciled without either accepting that Josh is really a tranny and therefore a minority victim of society or that there really are people who just pretend to be trans and we should start questioning who is and isn't.

On second thought, they would probably just double-think it away.

 

[William Tyndale]

I was on hold with my local ISP for 2 hours today. I asked them to roll my issue with accessing the site up the ladder and escalate it as far as they could. A few hours later it was working for me. I’m not saying I’m the reason it’s working again but I’m not not saying it either.

 

[mindlessobserver]

OK

I’m sure the troon army would find a way to leak the class member names and addresses. I’m not sure everyone is in a business relationship as membership here is free.

The "True and Honest" Kiwis most definitely are in a business relationship as money has been exchanged for consideration.

I doubt Tier 1 ISPs would balk at spending hundreds of thousands defending a class action as it’s a tax deduction for them and it’s not really their money the executives are spending. But they might prefer to just connect us rather than engage in lawfare?

It's stupid it's come to this point, but if money was the concern we would not be at here because this makes no sense economically.

Are you aware of any statutes that award attorneys fees that apply?

Oh yes. 47 U.S. Code § 206 - Carriers’ liability for damages. If a common carrier is found to be in violation, they not only must pay the damages, they must also pay all attorney and court fees. There is no class action exception to this.

Also i would suspect that most people have waived the right to join a class action in their terms of service with their ISP but I could be wrong.

Tier 1 ISPs contract with the downstream providers. Not the end users like you or me. I have not waived my class action rights and neither have you with respect to them as they are not providing services to you or me at a technical level.

Perhaps we could connect with right leaning civil rights law firm or even far left leaning civil rights law firm who are smart enough to see the implications.

The implications are massive. Even if just a few hundred kiwis join as a Class for the glory of getting a 50 dollar check at the end, the law firm that does it would be entitled to ALL costs to be paid by the defendant.

If a bunch of loud troons can do this, imagine what the party in power can do to political enemies on both sides of aisle. I know a lot of people think the Twitter files are a nothing burger but I disagree .

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. These companies assume it's cheaper to fuck us over rather then ignore Loz Dong Gone. I propose a method to disprove their belief by forcing them to spend millions of dollars to defend against a collective demand of a thousand kiwis for their just compensation of 20 dollars and a mountain dew.

Even if we lose in the end every single CEO in these companies will remember a blind eunuch forced them to spend millions of dollars in attorneys fees over years on a process that got dragged through the courts.

The Process is the punishment even if our just cause ultimately loses in the court. The mere act of fending us off will cost those companies enough money to sting.

 

[HabeusCorPuss]

The "True and Honest" Kiwis most definitely are in a business relationship as money has been exchanged for consideration.

There is a strong argument to be made that most of the money changing hands by way of KF is by gratuity on the part of at least one party. For example, I think Null often states that runs are being priced for a non-profit result.

I would guess that most KF users have never made a single transaction tied directly to the site. At best, the class could be something like "KF users who use the site with an expectation of profit or in the course of an adventure in trade." Probably zero. Actually you need even more than that, you'd have to demonstrate that the members of this alleged class had an intention to use the site for business purposes, on or after the moment the ISPs interfered. I don't see that.

Even if just a few hundred kiwis join as a Class for the glory of getting a 50 dollar check at the end

OK say 300 users claiming damages of $100 each. 30k. The lawyer's comp on a standard contingency would be 10k. I can't imagine getting a class action through the certification stage for less than 50k worth of time and expenses. They're only going to get a cost award if they take it all the way through trial and win, and that's at least 100k, easily 200k if the defendant(s) shit up the motions stage.

But most of all, I hate the idea on an existential level. KF filing a lolsuit would be like a noose tying a troon.

 

[Scale Smerch]

I doubt Tier 1 ISPs would balk at spending hundreds of thousands defending a class action as it’s a tax deduction for them and it’s not really their money the executives are spending. But they might prefer to just connect us rather than engage in lawfare?

You don't do this for the money they're spending, you do it for the damage to the company's reputation and their ability to keep and acquire future business. Think of it from the perspective of a third party looking for a new ISP. The options available are more or less equivalent, but one got smacked by the courts for engaging in less than legal shenanigans. Anyone doing cost-benefit analysis for that third party will drop said ISP from their list before even delving into the details. Just one reason why many of these cases never actually reach trial.

Of course getting a class action suit going requires a legal team willing to take it on and Josh has already elaborated plenty on the major barriers to that.

 

[Rabid Wombat]

Well I can confirm no fuckery in my Australian ISP (yet). (my ISP is TPG for reference)

 

[Male Idiot]

Have a Merry Nigmas folks, may 41% more troons become hanging ornaments!

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

I need to explain to every kiwi reading this the common law principle of Standing.

What is "Standing". You hear it alot these days. Especially in reference to election malfeasance. But what is "Standing" actually?

In short. Standing is something that occurs when you are harmed in violation of the law under the jurisdiction of a court that has both personal jurisdiction over you, and subject matter jurisdiction over the causal incident.

A good way to think of this is a simple traffic infraction. You ran the red light in bumfuckville and the Sheriff of Bumfuckville cited you. Since the traffic law of bumfuckville falls under the review of the bumfuckville court, that court has subject matter jurisdiction over all traffic infractions I'm bumfuckville.

Since you drove into bumfuckville, broke the law and got caught, the court of bumfuckville also has personal jurisdiction over you, that they can then apply their subject matter jurisdiction.


Why is this important?

It's important because common law countries like the US, UK, Australia and New Zealand require a cause and effect to bring claims. You have to be wronged, and specifically wronged in a way that gives that court just cause ro claim jurisdiction and apply remedy.

And in the case of Tier 1 ISP providers, you have a powerful remedy.

The Tortous of Interference. As Class Action. Every Tier 1 ISP that interferes with your ability to peer with Kiwifarms.net is engaging in third party Interference of business relations between us and Null. We are entitled to.compensation for our aggravation, which is the sum total of our damages.

Which I assess to be around 100 dollars each plus fees and costs. Multiplied around 10,000 times to encompass a modest estimate of 1 Million dollars in damages collectively to be applied individually to each Tier 1 ISP.

And that is just in the USA for civil action. Individual kiwis can also submit criminal complaints to their various governments, but I doubt those will go far.

@Null, weaponize your mob. If these Tier 1 ISPs do not relent, file suit. As a Class action. And ask us all to sign on as plaintiffs. Not just for tortious interference. There are other causes of action that can be brought by class action too. By yourself, you are entitled to thousands of dollars in damages. Collectively, WE. The Royal WE. Are entitled to millions.

Millions. From every ISP blocking the farms.

Each. And include Liz Fong Jones as well. Let that faggot squirm under the possibility of having to pay 20 dollars a pop to thousands of kiwis.

Yeah no I don’t know why we’re jumping on this autistic/optimistic bandwagon of suing Fong. This site is universally hated and doing something this major would require every user to leak their name, which for the sake of not wanting to be a social pariah is not something I’d be comfortable doing just for a measly $20.

 

[Null]

common carrier

ISPs are not common carriers.

 

[Pee Cola]

Well I can confirm no fuckery in my Australian ISP (yet). (my ISP is TPG for reference)

Can confirm there was fuckery on TPG last night. That said, the whole of Australia was cut off for a while as a result of the latest DDoS.

Yeah no I don’t know why we’re jumping on this autistic/optimistic bandwagon of suing Fong. This site is universally hated and doing something this major would require every user to leak their name, which for the sake of not wanting to be a social pariah is not something I’d be comfortable doing just for a measly $20.

I would, but I have nothing to lose. My medical details are already on the darkweb thanks to that fucking Medibank Private data breach a few months back. I'd also be more than happy to hand my measly $20 over to Null as a token of my appreciation.

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

ISPs are not common carriers.

Something that should change. I mean just on technical principle alone. Too many old retards still in government who view the internet as little more than the latest toy.. at best.

 

[PoopyFarts]

Something has changed. Yesterday I had to use my VPN and set my location to Europe to access the site because US servers wouldn't work. Now I'm able to use US locations again.