Christmas at 14BC?

[Tubular Monkey]

Honestly I think Chris may have been wrongly diagnosed as High Functioning. He may be able to speak but he sure as sure doesn't know how to talk. Everything about him just screams that he's a vegetable who somehow gained mobility and the ability to harass and assault people.

If the 'tism and the 'dation weren't enough of a lethal combo, he is terminally unmotivated.

 

[Hyperion]

I may only be a welder but I move to have his "High Functioning Autistic" diagnosis struck from canon.

 

[Coldgrip]

Chris is not smart enough to have valid responsibility over most of his life.

Fair point.

Honestly I think Chris may have been wrongly diagnosed as High Functioning. He may be able to speak but he sure as sure doesn't know how to talk. Everything about him just screams that he's a vegetable who somehow gained mobility and the ability to harass and assault people.

I think that's more to do with his piss-poor up bringing than him having the 'tism. Barb used to bride him with toys to get him to speak, but I'm willing to bet she never bothered to sit down with him and actually work on his communication skills.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I think that's more to do with his piss-poor up bringing than him having the 'tism. Barb used to bride him with toys to get him to speak, but I'm willing to bet she never bothered to sit down with him and actually work on his communication skills.

While its true that Chrissy has been dealt a bad hand in the game of life; that does not excuse him from all is mistakes and failures, his point blank refusal to admits his faults and his un-willingness to attempt to even try to fix his lifestyle is only his own doing. Many people with worse handy-capps have gone onto lead full, happy and productive lives.

In the end we are each responsible for how we play with the hand life gave us, some of us bid, others bluff but Chris just folds.

 

[3Yikes]

Chris is not smart enough to have valid responsibility over most of his life.

Fair point.

A fair point that has been brought up MANY times already, but people refuse to accept it.

Many people with worse handy-capps have gone onto lead full, happy and productive lives.

The thing about those success stories is, that most of those people (if any) didn't get there on their own. They got real genuine help from their family. Chris has never had that luxury.

Like, people keep bringing this point about how Chris could totally live a happy and productive life "if he just wanted to and wasn't such a lazy ass", but they forget that the vast majority of Autistics still live less productive lives than regular people and virtually none of the success stories got there on their own. So I really don't understand why people expect Chris to achieve things that probably even the savants couldn't.

 

[Hyperion]

Many people with worse handy-capps have gone onto lead full, happy and productive lives.

The thing about those success stories is, that most of those people (if any) didn't get there on their own. They got real genuine help from their family. Chris has never had that luxury.

Like, people keep bringing this point about how Chris could totally live a happy and productive life "if he just wanted to and wasn't such a lazy ass", but they forget that the vast majority of Autistics still live less productive lives than regular people and virtually none of the success stories got there on their own. So I really don't understand why people expect Chris to achieve things that probably even the savants couldn't.

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You're right though. It's over for Chris. There is no safety net for him. He is done the moment his mother dies. Nobody does anything on their own, but Chris has such a unique brand of ego and entitlement that he pushes anyone who wants to help him away. Chris thinks he is God.

Any points about his education are moot now. He is what he is, and it is not good.

May the one true God have mercy on him.

 

[RagtimeRoastBeefy]

It probably barely feels like Christmas over there. I wouldn't be shocked if Barb told Chris to buy himself something this month but to keep it under a certain price then straight up told him what to get her.

And there won't be snow in branchland court this Christmas time.
The greatest gift they'll get this year is free soup
Where the hoard can only grow
No showers ever flow
do they know its Christmas time at all?

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Many people with worse handy-capps have gone onto lead full, happy and productive lives.

The thing about those success stories is, that most of those people (if any) didn't get there on their own. They got real genuine help from their family. Chris has never had that luxury.

Like, people keep bringing this point about how Chris could totally live a happy and productive life "if he just wanted to and wasn't such a lazy ass", but they forget that the vast majority of Autistics still live less productive lives than regular people and virtually none of the success stories got there on their own. So I really don't understand why people expect Chris to achieve things that probably even the savants couldn't.

I can see where you are coming from here but how many folks have tried to reach out to Chris, how many white knight emails, phone calls and letters tried to offer real help?

Each one was not just turned down by Chris but spurned by him; as if offering advice to him is the grossest insult you could offer.

I was once a white knight (kinda still am in a way) thought maybe I could talk some sense into that thick skull of his but boy was I wrong! The combination of stupidity and ego makes it impossible to reason with Chris on any grounds. Ask around to those who have had direct contact with him, listen to the Alec and Julie calls and see how Chris always takes the easiest way out. Effort is an anathema to him, its a choice he makes every day and yes it is influenced by his condition and his upbringing but he is still a functional 30 year old adult who choose to wallow in his misery.

Don't pity him instead condemn him for his attitudes and behaviors. The last thing he needs is another ass-patter.

 

[RagtimeRoastBeefy]

Many people with worse handy-capps have gone onto lead full, happy and productive lives.

The thing about those success stories is, that most of those people (if any) didn't get there on their own. They got real genuine help from their family. Chris has never had that luxury.

Like, people keep bringing this point about how Chris could totally live a happy and productive life "if he just wanted to and wasn't such a lazy ass", but they forget that the vast majority of Autistics still live less productive lives than regular people and virtually none of the success stories got there on their own. So I really don't understand why people expect Chris to achieve things that probably even the savants couldn't.

Often times people who state this angle get accused of being the fluffy hearted fairy tale believers that think Chris should be handed everything to succeed.

I think the opposite is true. Believing Chris can help himself is a ridiculous fairy tale based on just as little factual basis and just as much anecdotal evidence as Chris needs a lot of help to get out of where Chris is.

It really is a matter of what poison you choose. Maybe neither are true, maybe both are. I'd like to think believing Chris is far too impaired to actually be able to create positive change in his life reflects the realities that many homeless people face. No supports or safety nets and severe mental impairment.

The Chris needs to grab his bootstraps and pull himself up argument is based on anecdotes that have little to no similarity to the outcome of most situations like Chris'.

A lot of Chris' denial about his problems is centered around the idea of mainstreaming and unobtainable normalcy. I feel he hasn't ever coped with the idea that his life will be very different from that of the neurotypical. The idea that Chris or any person as impaired as Chris could do it alone is silly. Chris is an asshole mind you, and its hilarious to watch his cartoonish parody of interactions with the world. But this is all invariably part of what's wrong with him. Yes he's autistic. And no that's not why were laughing, but him being an asshole, which is what we are laughing at, comes from a very specific set of learned behaviours that need to be addressed by a psychologist or contact. I'm not completely denying Chris' agency in the world. But I am saying that him getting out of his current patterns that reduce his agency to "the Chris response" requires more involvement than shouting "WAKE UP CHRIS YOURE A SELFISH PRICK" over the internet.

Mentally ill people need supports. Unfortunately Chris tends to drive those away. He'll turn around when he's in the group home. That's the reality of the situation. With people as mentally fucked up as Chris the only thing that will help is constant assessment of his conditioned responses to the world. And let's face it, that's where the absurd Chris response we love so much comes from. A combination of his delusions of unobtainable normalcy and persecution of people that he sees as a threat to that.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I agree here, Chris needs serious, professional help.

The problem is that he will never seek it out voluntarily, ever. His whole being is centered around his "specialness". It will take a genuine, honest desire on his part to change his life as well as some benevolent outside force to enact a change.

Sooooooo basically it will never happen.

 

[RagtimeRoastBeefy]

Capital observation sweetndsavoury! Chris has to hit the worst he's ever been at. Since Chris views himself as practically normal, he'll end up reaching that in the inevitable group home saga. Where he will be confronted with where he stands in terms of normality in the world. Sandwiched between the functioning adults that run the place and the mentally handicapped so crippled that they require full-time care Chris may actually start to learn where he stands in the world and what he needs to do to get to where he wants.

So until group home saga happens lets all sit back and watch Chris freak out like normal over ridiculous shit. Cause let's face it, till group home saga, none of us are going to fix the guy with our super "legitimate" methods

 

[MayMay]

In a way, nobody really gets anywhere without help in some way and it is true that borb never really lifted a finger to push him in the right direction. The main difference though is that he'd rather be a lazy arse with no accomplishments. He's been given suggestions to outright pushing from the likes of trolls and 'sweethearts' alike. If he tried to do something and failed at it then it'd be hard to really fault him but evidence such as the Jackie emails show that he'd rather do nothing and play vidya all day than even do anything even minor to try and improve his chances.

Also, he's been forced out of his room? This is the first I've heard of it!

 

[Marvin]

In a way, nobody really gets anywhere without help in some way and it is true that borb never really lifted a finger to push him in the right direction. The main difference though is that he'd rather be a lazy arse with no accomplishments. He's been given suggestions to outright pushing from the likes of trolls and 'sweethearts' alike. If he tried to do something and failed at it then it'd be hard to really fault him but evidence such as the Jackie emails show that he'd rather do nothing and play vidya all day than even do anything even minor to try and improve his chances.

Eh, yeah, but he's spent a lifetime being trained to think the way he does. Like, yeah, his views on why his life is the way it is are annoying sometimes, but they're old news to me. What I like doing is watching his behavior nowadays and discussing the way he thinks. That's interesting to me.

Oh, and Borb didn't just not help him, but they actively fucked up his life. Like, Chris could've been in special education and gotten the help he needed. And for free. But noooooo, Borb's boy wasn't going to be no retard!

Hell, I'd love to discuss the subject with Chris and tell him that that special education he missed out on (he's so proud of his mainstreaming ) was essentially the dating education he keeps pushing for. It would've helped him develop the social skills that normal people learn on their own.

Also, he's been forced out of his room? This is the first I've heard of it!

Oh yeah, Chris isn't permitted to sleep on his own anymore.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Oh yeah, Chris isn't permitted to sleep on his own anymore.

How exactly did that happen again?

 

[Marvin]

Oh yeah, Chris isn't permitted to sleep on his own anymore.

How exactly did that happen again?

Barb's nuts?

Nothing more detailed than that is publicly known.

 

[MayMay]

You're right about his inner workings being... interesting. That's probably why most of us are here in the first place!

When it comes to borb, I think it's that Barb was the one who constantly encouraged his slothful nature while Bob just kinda threw in the towel early. I think it was mentioned that Bob had a computer that went unused because he didn't want to get into an argument over the junk that was blocking the way? I think he realized there wasn't any chance of getting through to Barb so he just resigned himself to damage control.

 

[Silvana]

You're right though. It's over for Chris. There is no safety net for him. He is done the moment his mother dies. Nobody does anything on their own, but Chris has such a unique brand of ego and entitlement that he pushes anyone who wants to help him away. Chris thinks he is God.

Any points about his education are moot now. He is what he is, and it is not good.

May the one true God have mercy on him.

Happy Christmas, everyone!

 

[sparklemilhouse]

Oh yeah, Chris isn't permitted to sleep on his own anymore.

How exactly did that happen again?

Barb's nuts?

Nothing more detailed than that is publicly known.

Has Chris ever been known to sneak out of the house at night? Like to go to Walmart/potential dates with trolls?

 

[The Dude]

Has Chris ever been known to sneak out of the house at night? Like to go to Walmart/potential dates with trolls?

Chris is too chicken shit to do something like that. The boogeyman pickleman might get him.

 

[Marvin]

How exactly did that happen again?

Barb's nuts?

Nothing more detailed than that is publicly known.

Has Chris ever been known to sneak out of the house at night? Like to go to Walmart/potential dates with trolls?

Nah, pretty much what The Dude said. Plus it's not really feasible because Barb would be right next to him. He'd (reasonably) worry about waking her up in the process of coming or going, plus there's always the possibility of her waking up and him being gone.