Christopher Nolan hate thread

[Tasty Tatty]

And Rachel is such a non-entity she can be replaced by a much older actress and no one cares. Mask of the Phantasm was a better love story than Batman Begins and accomplishes more as an origin story too.

Having a lame love interest ain't that much of a problem. Vicky was that and somehow it complemented Batman's story in the first movie and she served a part in it. Catwoman moved the plot along the Penguin and Chase served for Batman to question his mission, which he also did for Robin. In The Batman, Catwoman is a choice he didn't take because, as she said, he already chose Gotham.

But Rachel was not only his main motivation to be Batman, she was the reason he became Batman (she was the one taking him to the bad areas the first time to show him how bad things were) and she was the reason he wanted to stop being Batman. When she died, he gave up being Batman for good. Not even the Joker has that much power over Bruce.

People complain now about bossy women, but Rachel was one of the first examples. Vicky, Selina, Chase, all were competent women Batman respected aside his interest for them, but Rachel was there to teach Batman how to be Batman.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

I enjoyed the trilogy, but I kinda agree. Once we compare them with other Batman takes, it's really all over the place. Like, people criticise the Snyder movies for taking chances that are uncharacteristic of the heroes, yet Nolan showed us a Batman whose whole reason to exist was a woman. TDK specifically was all about Rachel and that was annoying. Compare that with how Burton managed the love dynamic between Batman and Catwoman.

RACHEL!!!!! *cue Nickelback*

Aging well implies they were good in the first place. I don't think they were awful, and my love for Anne "The Man" Hathaway means TDKR is the best in the trilogy, but they barely felt like Batman movies even when they were released, especially the second one.

Also Joker was already a known villain in Batman Begins yet The Dark Knight tries to pin his rise on Batman with that goofy escalation nonsense. "It's your fault for fighting crime, Batman! We should just sit back and let criminals do as they please!"