US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
Be vigilant.
See something.
Say something.
Know your surroundings at all times.
Q

Q is obvious fake to begin with.

tven if it wasn't, that's some nostradamus tier prediction shit.

Here's my prediction.

Careful
When it comes
it comes
Be prepared.
It will be in the news.


Now you can fit that to whatever relevent news is coming up and say I predicted it.

Well to be fair, they aren't exactly wrong.


is /leftypol/ all nazis too?
 
Sure the corporate press is salty over the game industry's critics otherwise known by the name "GamerGate", but they aren't a threat to too many people.
However, 8chan was the prime place for Q Clearance Anon to make posts prior to the "LARPing gunman" that was in "El Paso".
The reason that 8chan got taken down was that corporate journalists were scared of "Q" since he was close to the source. Also 2020's approaching, so take that as you will.

Let's start with unpacking Q's recent post
[C] before [D].
[C]oats before [D]eclas.
The month of AUGUST is traditionally very HOT.
You have more than you know.
Q
Coats is set to leave (or to quote Trump's two famous words, "you're fired."). As he's going, the corporate press and the corrupt are scared of information on their crimes going public. This is more of a possibility than anything.
As for the thing about August, you need to read Chad Pergram's post. http://archive.fo/IeJ1G
"Hot August" was a response to the tax siphon named "Nancy Pelosi" and the House of Representatives.
[24hr Warning]
Be vigilant.
See something.
Say something.
Know your surroundings at all times.
Q
Q got NSA chatter that there was two shootings planned. NSA's data collection is proving fruitful, but was unable to do much until now. Today, the enemy's revealed and they're busy either warning people of, or thwarting attacks (remember when Pelosi got trolled on the bus by being denied the plane? That was a planned assassination that failed [think "John Kennedy"]).
We are being set up.
Threat.
Past Booms - TX bombs
New Booms - Plane crash + Plane/17 drop.
These people are sick.
Attempt to prevent drops / awakening.
Conspiracy?
Coincidence?
Response coming.
Q
There were reports from various national corporate publications blaming Q for a bombing in El Paso that happened after the post was made. All he did was make posts that vaguely related, and then the bomber did "kablooeys". That reeks of "CIA plant".
All this because the intelligence community and America's criminals thought that Hillary had "Decision 2016" in the bag. The cover-up is more likely to get the criminal than the crime itself.
Holy shit, you believe this shit? This is weaker than nostradamus predictions.

[24hr Warning]
Be vigilant.
See something.
Say something.
Know your surroundings at all times.
Q

This looks like a warning of specifically two shooters to you? Jesus...

Q is obvious fake to begin with.

tven if it wasn't, that's some nostradamus tier prediction shit.

Here's my prediction.

Careful
When it comes
it comes
Be prepared.
It will be in the news.


Now you can fit that to whatever relevent news is coming up and say I predicted it.
Where's the "You ninja'd me you asshole" sticker?
 
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Lol... that's some serious butthurt
 
WTF? Philippine National Police? What do they have to do with anything? What does any of this have to do with anything? OK, so the dude who used to run the site denounced it, and cloudflare breached their contract with them. 8chan wasn't banned by the government or implicated in a crime.
 
I wonder what site is next on the chopping block... Hmm, what other site can we think of that is popular for being related to mass shootings...
The issue is that they had a lot more freedom on 8chan. I think 4chan is a lot more moderated. I'm probably wrong though.
 
The issue is that they had a lot more freedom on 8chan. I think 4chan is a lot more moderated. I'm probably wrong though.
4chan didn't even allow you to discuss whether Zoe Quinn is a dirty whore (she is) FFS. 4chan isn't quite Resetera, but to claim that 8chan- under Jim- was some mythical 'Wild West'* even just by comparison is ridiculous. Unlike the previous administration (Hotwheels), you wouldn't actually be allowed to run a board that posted near naked 14yo girls. Likewise, if you post some mass shooting shit, it would be deleted.

I never went there more than a few times a year, but this is all common knowledge. Claiming the site is somehow unmoderated is ridiculous.

* AKTUALLY the 'Wild West' was very safe and firearms regulations within towns were tougher than every modern American city
 
True, but the difference between Kiwi Farms and 8chan is that chans of any kind offer some degree of anonymity that a standard forum like Kiwi Farms does not.

There's no required usernames, no avatars, and discovering someone's prior post history and reputation is a lot harder on an image board than it is on a forum.

Also, 8chan has looser moderation than even the Farms and combined with its format, helped make it a high priority target after the Christchurch shooting.

The fact that 8chan was plagued with being attacked from its inception since it came about because of Gamergate, with Dan Olson's gay ops being a prime example. Also, 8chan was already de-listed from Google long before Christchurch or El Paso. Even after Null told the NZ police to fuck off, Google hasn't unlisted us.

Most of the hate-boner for the Farms is from butthurt troons and Reddit dangerhairs and the liberal media just sort of rolls with whatever they say, but at the same time, our doxing actions were never followed up by criminal activity nor were anyone's dox released with the implication of threatening harm, unlike Antifa's doxxing efforts.

As for William Atchinson, he was a nobody on Kiwi Farms and anyone who would've bothered to look into his posting history would have seen that. While Twitter SJW's wouldn't even bother with doing such a thing, law enforcement does do that sort of thing and that's honestly why we didn't really get any actual blowback from Couch Cuck's stupidity.

IIRC, most of the media coverage of his online activity focused more on ED, since he actually was a regular there and was fixated on their mass shooting articles.

Considering that Null is in Eastern Europe and Kiwi Farms has helped out law enforcement on occasions (like when Nick Bate was taken down) I don't think we're next on the list just yet, at least not with anyone of actual power and importance.

That being said, with 8chan's downfall and this morning's downtime, I would not say we're out of the woods yet. It is possible we could be targeted in the future, and I suspect this morning's DDOS attacks may be connected to the 8chan shutdown (SJW's getting emboldened and going all gung-ho on the Farms) but there's not a reason to go into panic mode just yet.

Be careful and always be on the lookout, but don't panic.

Also, they're never going to shut down 4chan. That site is heavily moderated and actually semi-mainstream these days.

As it is, the only reason why /pol/ hasn't been shut down there is so it can serve as a containment board. If something were to happen that would threaten 4chan nowadays, all they would have to do is shut down /pol/ and they'd largely be let off the hook by Silicon Valley and the Feds.
8 Chan wasn't delisted, they had an entry in their robot.txt to prevent being shown in search results. That's a common lie though.
 
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You either die a hero...

Moot and Hotwheels wanted Reddit clones, but they both scorched their worllds after getting something other than a Reddit clone. Never mind that Reddit went south of the border after Aaron Swartz died.
8chan under Hotwheels- boards that host stuff like this stay up, completely unmoderated:
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8chan after HotWheels- these boards are banned, and posts that happen to post some text written by the perp of a mass shooting are removed in a reasonable timeframe.

Just why is he so mad at Jim?
 
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Just why is he so mad at Jim?
There's 3 possible causes, especially the ones I've seen rumors about. The first is that Hotwheels feels like Jim wronged him at some point, so he's trying to wreck his website like a bitter ex would. The second is that he misses the spotlight as board owner of 8chan so he's trying to get that media spotlight. While it's working for now because the media loves when people flip to their side, eventually he'll get used up and spat out. The third theory I've heard (seeing his stance towards /leftypol/) is that Hotwheels ended up getting cozy with some guys involved with /leftypol/ and so he's having an extreme case of trolls remorse, up there with say Habermann and how he not only closed the METOKUR forums but even nuked the archives of them.

Either way when this is all said and done, Hotwheels isn't going to be able to start up a new imageboard without it tanking. At least when Moot was done with 4chan he got a Google job, what's Hotwheels going to have?
 
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It's sad. The herd really believes that more regulation, control and censorship (i.e. less freedom) is the answer to their fear. I suppose that's why no one gives a shit that the NSA is spying on us all.
 
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Either way when this is all said and done, Hotwheels isn't going to be able to start up a new imageboard without it tanking. At least when Moot was done with 4chan he got a Google job, what's Hotwheels going to have?
His cat if some flip whore hasn't already cooked it into a cassarole.

It's sad. The herd really believes that more regulation, control and censorship (i.e. less freedom) is the answer to their fear. I suppose that's why no one gives a shit that the NSA is spying on us all.
The herd is the NSA. If the KGB has bots then the NSA/DIA/CIA has super bots.
 
There's 3 possible causes, especially the ones I've seen rumors about. The first is that Hotwheels feels like Jim wronged him at some point, so he's trying to wreck his website like a bitter ex would. The second is that he misses the spotlight as board owner of 8chan so he's trying to get that media spotlight. While it's working for now because the media loves when people flip to their side, eventually he'll get used up and spat out. The third theory I've heard (seeing his stance towards /leftypol/) is that Hotwheels ended up getting cozy with some guys involved with /leftypol/ and so he's having an extreme case of trolls remorse, up there with say Habermann and how he not only closed the METOKUR forums but even nuked the archives of them.


I wasn't there when he handed 8chan to Jim, so I don't know whether this is the case, but isn't it also possible he wanted to lose it because of all the extra attention it receives?

I know a guy who used to host one of the biggest torrent sites and when the copyright lobbyists started going after him seriously with their legal team (despite not having much of a leg to stand on and losing the first two cases afainst him), he got tired of their infinite warchest and legal harassment and ended up cutting a deal where he admitted complete fault in court in return for 0 legal culpability/ results. He moved on to a different business and they had the legal precedent to go after bigger fish.

Isn't it possible that Brennan got leaned on by some group, political or otherwise that wanted to make him leave ina the first places and just causes him to say what they need so he can otherwise live his life in peace?

you faggots try using alternatives to archive.li, it's banned in over 100 countries cuntstralia included

We're going to hear statements like this more and more in the coming decade, until we won't have to because we can't talk to people in other countries online anymore.

I predicted something like this. There's going to be a fracturing of the internet because of these censorous faggots. How many videos have been posted on Facebook and Twitter of live shootings? You think you're going to make this disappear? Fuck yourselves.

They found the perfect way to go after their more free speech competition though, reinforcing their monopoly.
 
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