US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
I never believed for a minute 8ch will be back, so I can't say I'm surprised. Wonder who'll take the crown, if anyone. It was borderline unreadable at the end anyways

E: There were a very few nice unpolitical boards on there though, I'll miss those. Even those had people go on about weird tangents about jews/conspiracies etc. though. Yes the zionist cabal might eat white babies but I actually wanted to talk about OSes.
 
Imagine being that fucking dumb, I mean sub-50 IQ to close down a containment site because you thought that site alone elected whoever you didn't want.

/pol/ had a big-ish role in the meme war machine, but it was much much more than that, a convergence of problems if you will.

Closing the board just release the entire beast. Go to any comment section, anywhere. The significant amount of /pol/ posting went sky high, places I never seem any political comment now has people discussing politics, hating on SJWs, nigger and fag are now common words, the list goes on.

Hotwheels became a commie and think this will hinder all the "bad stuff" from 8ch. Lmao, I bet right now, outside influence will hijack Q movement. Which is just a real well done information flow control and subsequent open source intelligence analysis.

As my bosses say 2020 = 🔥
 

Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Ron's cooking up. Feels like the internet has entered a new age; the last bastions of the "Wild West" era will soon be subjugated civilized.
 
Imagine being that fucking dumb, I mean sub-50 IQ to close down a containment site because you thought that site alone elected whoever you didn't want.

/pol/ had a big-ish role in the meme war machine, but it was much much more than that, a convergence of problems if you will.

Closing the board just release the entire beast. Go to any comment section, anywhere. The significant amount of /pol/ posting went sky high, places I never seem any political comment now has people discussing politics, hating on SJWs, nigger and fag are now common words, the list goes on.

Hotwheels became a commie and think this will hinder all the "bad stuff" from 8ch. Lmao, I bet right now, outside influence will hijack Q movement. Which is just a real well done information flow control and subsequent open source intelligence analysis.

As my bosses say 2020 = 🔥

/pol/ is no longer just limited to image boards
 
Even when it was the height of chan culture back in the early 2000s, everyone knew certain boards were shitholes. /pol/ is merely one of the worst of the lot. The question was always: "Why do you tolerate them?"

The answer is simple: Containment and visibility. Boards like /pol/ are cesspools (in that sometimes, something drifts by that isn't a turd), but they do critically important jobs in online discourse. They ensure that you can keep an eye on them in real time, and the closer to the proverbial surface these containment zones are, the easier it is for you to expose them to outside opinion, which helps tamp down on the potential retardation. Forcing them to interact with the normies is what de-escalates tensions since it forces them to either act normal or become laughingstocks covered here.

The problem with the deplatforming fucktards is that they don't get this. Any chantard knows that when you shut down /b/, the Autism merely escapes the containment zone and goes on to shit up other boards. In the case of exiling wrongthink from Social Media, all it does is ensure that they scatter to new communities, where you can't keep an eye on them. Worse, each step further and further from the mainstream increases the odds that they'll become radical via the echo chamber effect.

What's actually surprising is that this works both ways. Many hard leftist communities, through either accident or design, wind up cloistering themselves in the same way. Accidental versions happen when Progtards take over existing communities and chase away the moderates; intentional happens when they do so willingly (ResetERA). This is the same shit that leads to the already crazy becoming crazier, which again, is great for us and horrible for pretty much everyone else online trying to talk things over like adults.
 
Does anyone know if Watkins has made a comment about this yet?
Hotwheels is claiming that Ron often plans to do things without Watkins' knowledge. I would just take it at face value, but Hotwheels has proven himself to be bitter with an overt grudge against Watkins. I think the real tragedy of 8chan was a lot of 4chan alternatives migrated to 8chan because it was just easier to host a niche board or two on there. RIP in peace Bloodsports sticky.
 
Looking forward to qch.net and the Q-coin ICO. Trust in the plan.
I hope they incorporate some of the more notable features of /qresearch:
- "Thank You Baker" memes comprising 20% of each "bread"
- 20% religious whackjob posts
- eBot's insane posts making up another 20%
- Night Shift memes
- Multiple breads with the same serial # after botched handoffs to new bakers/feds
- Captcha hell
- Freddie and Toots
- etc.
 
Off topic, but you have to wonder if extra layers of fat are beneficial or harmful for his condition. On one hand it provides a bit of padding and cushioning, on another it may also put unnecessary pressure on already brittle body parts.

Hot wheels is one guy who has a free license to do as many drugs or get as fat as he wants imo. Brittle bone disease is a bitch. Idk if fat would help, hurt or have no real effect on his condition. But any physical activity has to be dangerous and it’s got to be hard to keep weight in check as a result.

I’d also hazard a guess that he might need to take steroids for his condition, which certainly makes people gain loads of weight.

Dear hotwheels.
You're starting to sound like an Stan for Jim, who is in your head rent free. Take a shower, hit the weights, get a clue.

I don’t think Fredrick could ever hit the weights without breaking his bones.
 
Prediction*: It will be exactly like regular 8chan except Q boards are promoted on the front in order to get usercount back as fast as possible, since they use 8chan the most religiously.

*My predictions are usually wrong
 

Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Ron's cooking up. Feels like the internet has entered a new age; the last bastions of the "Wild West" era will soon be subjugated civilized.

I think we're going to start looking at parallel internet where you start to look at parallel societies. Cultures just remake themselves constantly, just because you ban this shit doesn't make it disappear and there are stubborn as fuck people who refuse to go away.

I guess you're eventually going to have the 'corporate' internet, sanitized, approved for your use, boring as fuck and then the 'underground' which will exist as a hodge podge, word of mouth communities, small circular and insular, but generally isolated and harder for mainstream news and culture to comprehend, not reliant on the 'corporate' side so its harder to shut down.
 
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