US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
I'm undecided if he's just trying too hard to pander to Christian boomers or if he actually is this nutty. I guess we'll see soon if he has enough computer this time.
Jim is competent and knows when to act normal, him being able to fuck over Hiro and his actions on OAN prove this. It's weird since he could have chosen not to do this. I just don't know what his endgame is.
 
Why the fuck would this crippled cunt be going after a fucking TV/vidya imageboard? That's literally all it is. Throw the dwarf down the well!


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Counting the days until he tries to fuck with us too just over that fallout with Josh.

Snap your own neck, you fucking tumor; unless you'd rather wait for your handlers to do it for you after you've exhausted your usefulness. There is no happy ending for you, and not a single person left who'll have sympathy for your weasely little ass.
 
Fred's on a warpath, from talking to journalists to write hit pieces on Jim:
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To threatening to take down 8kun:

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Fred's on a warpath, from talking to journalists to write hit pieces on Jim:
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Have you blown up the image with that "business card?" From the funked up cardstock, the offcenter NYT logo to the gnarly lo-res text, I'm honestly wondering if HW faked it himself to make it look like "any day now" the Mark Mann/Jim "dark money" expose will be published or if it's just somebody literally fucking trolling him lol.
 
Have you blown up the image with that "business card?" From the funked up cardstock, the offcenter NYT logo to the gnarly lo-res text, I'm honestly wondering if HW faked it himself to make it look like "any day now" the Mark Mann/Jim "dark money" expose will be published or if it's just somebody literally fucking trolling him lol.

Coulda been a fake journalist, too. Our little aspiring michelin-man-on-wheels seems too busy huffing his own crippled farts to pay attention so long as he can virtue signal on twitter.
 
Coulda been a fake journalist, too. Our little aspiring michelin-man-on-wheels seems too busy huffing his own crippled farts to pay attention so long as he can virtue signal on twitter.
At this point, it's just as likely to be one or the other. I'm thinking it was the Qanonanonymous podcast interview where he compares Jim to Captain Ahab (or wait, might have been quoting Jim comparing 8chan to the Pequod) either way though, Fred is reminding me more and more of Ahab or the Old Man and the Sea. He's becoming so obsessed with this crusade or vendetta or whatever that it's going to turn out badly for him.

I still don't really hate him even though I lost a lot of respect and am convinced he's always been in it for attention, but man could it get ugly if he keeps regressing and doing really dumb shit like trying to connect random people to shootings. He's hooked on the thrill of talking to reporters, but if he starts making shit up it'll be the equivalent of trying to bang his coke dealer's girlfriend. Might be a big thrill there in the moment, but gonna have to find a new way to get his fix after that.
 
Man what a piece of shit. Its kinda surreal to see him act like this when you remember the first several months after the great exoduses in late 2014-early 2015 when everyone on 8chan called him “based Hotwheels” and praised him as the second coming of Jesus.

Its clear that his little crusade is less about him being ashamed of his creation and wishing to stop it from rising from the grave and more about sticking it to Jim. I don't know what Jim did to the cripple (other than taking 8chan away of course), but it must have really struck a nerve.
 
Its clear that his little crusade is less about him being ashamed of his creation and wishing to stop it from rising from the grave and more about sticking it to Jim. I don't know what Jim did to the cripple (other than taking 8chan away of course), but it must have really struck a nerve.

He's sure turned into a nasty, twisted, fetus-looking little homunculus. I don't buy this Jesus shit for a minute either.

If 8kun dies it will be from being some exclusively QAnon shithole. Or who knows? Maybe there really are enough dumb boomer conspiratards to keep Jim's pigs fed. We'll see.

If anything, this will show whether one malicious piece of shit can keep a website off the Internet. It's important for the future of the Internet that even an incredibly unpopular site like 8chan can remain online, and Fredrick is now a declared enemy of that, which makes him an enemy of humanity frankly.
 
He is now trying to delete Jim from the country.
 

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This snitching little piece of shit is reporting him for porn. What a nasty little dwarf. Fuck this piece of shit.
Not sure how this is going to work out. Jim owns lots of property there. Has a flip wife and child. I think the whole stunt was just so he could have an excuse to dox Jim and the rest of his family by posting the application.

If Jim isn't a citizen yet then Hotwheel's citizenship must also be pending. With a few bux I am sure Jim could turn this around on him by having a PI prove Fred's marriage is a fraud. I am sure the flip government would be happy to get rid of the crippled gringo who does nothing but bleed resources and pays no taxes if they could find an excuse
 
HW is a backbiting POS. First he found Jesus, now he found SJW. The good news? His prognosis is not good. Remaining lifespan can be counted in months.
However, I'm worried about Jim. His livestream showed how he was sleeping in the rental Lincoln on the streets. Is he ok?
I don't think I would ever post on 8kun. Any time an owner of an 'anon' board is summoned to D.C., well, that's me out...
 
So how long until they come for 4chan and the Farms?
Hotwheels will probably go and try to fuck with the farms next according to the podcast he did a few weeks back.
HW is a backbiting POS. First he found Jesus, now he found SJW. The good news? His prognosis is not good. Remaining lifespan can be counted in months.
However, I'm worried about Jim. His livestream showed how he was sleeping in the rental Lincoln on the streets. Is he ok?
I don't think I would ever post on 8kun. Any time an owner of an 'anon' board is summoned to D.C., well, that's me out...
So you don't go on 4chan?
Also jimbo is fine, he still makes millions from 2ch
 
Fredrick is going to get himself fucked in the future, if this passes, he is going to go down as his moderation was even more lax then jims' and he allowed a lot of illegal shit to happen like doxing and that whole Australian nude leak.
He's getting really cocky for a crippled bone goblin who has enemies from Masonry, Q-cult boomers and imageboard autists at the same time.
Q boomers are no joke one of them killed a mob boss and many of them have been arrested for serious crimes.
If he wants to take Jim down he has to get fucked by these types of people, disgruntled 8gaggers who have a lot of dirt on him and will probably report it to the Philippine feds and masons.
Frederick is fucked if he tries to do do this and will probably get arested.
The cripple goblin is trying to escalate this shit into a holy crusade, and trying to attract international attention, which he may get with his constant shilling by the failing propagandist media shills, but it's gonna be hard unless turd wheels will find a Flip libshit politician to intervene.
And lastly, the goddamn courts in Flipland are notoriously slow, but seeing as he already sold whatever remains of his life to spite, then he's not going to stop.
If Jim is smart then he's already got a lawyer and they are quietly making a record of every one of goblin's outbursts for a future law suit or possible even a criminal complaint if he go too far.
 
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He is now trying to delete Jim from the country.
This is Maddox levels of spite and faggotry. Just let it go you fucking Goblin. He said for years how he wanted to be away from 8 and here he is trying to fuck with someone's naturalization because of some bullshit that happened years ago. It's as sad and pathetic as Maddox's crusade against his former business partner. The fact that it comes from a goblin mutant only makes it worse. Way to play to the spiteful/evil cripple stereotype.
 
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