US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
I wonder how long this lasts.


Demands auth.
 
He is now trying to delete Jim from the country.
And here he is bragging about it (a fucking half-hour? Jeez, assuming its not just him repeating himself over and over, timestamps pending I guess) EDIT: timestamps are below.
00:00 "A quick recording about my experience in the court today"
00:15 Fredrick finds out about Jim's naturalization hearing and that it's 'public' the day before
00:40 an unnamed reporter sent Fredrick the full order
01:00 "I just felt in my gut that I had to do something to try to slow down this naturalization."
01:50 Fredrick found the 'loophole': "All interested persons..."
03:30 Fredrick recounts his trip to the courthouse
04:45 by 8am, it looks like Jim isn't showing up
05:35 Fredrick didn't see Jim on the schedule (was he even looking at the right one?)
06:15 "It was a childhood dream of mine to be a lawyer"
06:40 Fredrick reminisces about suing people pro se
07:25 at first people mistake Fredrick for Jim, Fredrick corrects them
08:35 "opposing counsel" Lozada enters, is not happy to see Fredrick
10:00 the judge enters! Will Fredrick's scheme work?
11:35 Fredrick gets the go-ahead, reads out his statement
12:05 "[Lozada] hated the fact that I was acting like a lawyer, he hated it"
12:25 Fredrick lawsplains Commonwealth Act 473
13:35 Jim ran 8chan, so he shouldn't be allowed to become a Philippines citizen
15:40 "you could tell [Lozada] was really rattled"
16:00 why wasn't Jim there in court for his own naturalization? (REEEEE!)
17:30 "[Lozada] forgot one of the exhibits"
18:30 "Jim could've been naturalized, and that would have been a really scary situation for the entire world"
19:30 Lozada asks to respond to Fredrick's statement
20:25 Lozada is talking about Fredrick with the OSG attorney! REEEEE! Objection!
22:10 Lozada thinks Fredrick has no respect for the justice system
23:25 Yeah well at least Fredrick showed up! Take that, Lozada!
23:50 The judge ends it, the order gets released
24:30 Fredrick has until February to get a lawyer and write his statement
25:20 "I knew that what Jim Watkins was doing was wrong... in my heart"
26:25 "I think what happened in court today was very unusual"
 
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00:40 an unnamed reporter sent Fredrick the full order

So a fake news reporter is helping manufacture the news by giving things of value to a source to help him do shit that can be turned into a fake news story?

13:35 Jim ran 8chan, so he shouldn't be allowed to become a Philippines citizen

And Pedowheels should? Is Freddit even thinking about this shit and what happens if he "succeeds?"
 
What did he do to piss of Free Masons?
Jim in the past stated he was a mason and part of a lodge called lodge #747 York rite.
Whilst idk wether his claim is true I wouldn't be surprised considering he is able to get away with so much shit.
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So a fake news reporter is helping manufacture the news by giving things of value to a source to help him do shit that can be turned into a fake news story?



And Pedowheels should? Is Freddit even thinking about this shit and what happens if he "succeeds?"
If this actually passes Frederick will get arrested too for his actions on 8chan.
He will get fucked
 
So nothing but speculation. We have no idea what his personal health is like.
Well, he did an interview on CNN a few weeks ago, where he was completely prone, 'ventral' down, facing the camera. I would speculate he is having spinal issues. Previously, he would sit in his chair.
But, you are correct, I am speculating. Ultimately, it's statistics. I doubt he is in the running to beat the world-record for type III Brittle Bone. Especially in a turd-world country. Want to beat the record? Get a bed at the Mayo Clinic.
He even mentioned that he doubted a 30th birthday.
 
Well, he did an interview on CNN a few weeks ago, where he was completely prone, 'ventral' down, facing the camera. I would speculate he is having spinal issues. Previously, he would sit in his chair.
But, you are correct, I am speculating. Ultimately, it's statistics. I doubt he is in the running to beat the world-record for type III Brittle Bone. Especially in a turd-world country. Want to beat the record? Get a bed at the Mayo Clinic.
He even mentioned that he doubted a 30th birthday.
He did the same thing with the vice interview
 
He even mentioned that he doubted a 30th birthday.

Does that mean anything or was he just attention whoring? If he's been told he's about to die that might explain why he's said fuck it, started fattening up, and pursuing grudges. If it's some kind of attempt to make things right before he dies and goes to Hell it would make more sense to let that shit go, though.
 
Does that mean anything or was he just attention whoring? If he's been told he's about to die that might explain why he's said fuck it, started fattening up, and pursuing grudges. If it's some kind of attempt to make things right before he dies and goes to Hell it would make more sense to let that shit go, though.

Maybe he's received a better prognosis and decided his edgyboi days won't get him the sort of high-quality conslut that he wants. probably got tired of all the asian traps and wants a white woman now.
 
Off-topic post but I've been going through old 8chan stuff I saved on a hard drive for the nostalgia. I found this copypasta that was posted constantly on /b/ circa late 2015, probably to flood threads and make scrolling through them a pain. The pasta itself is the longest, most butthurt flounce post I've ever seen on the internet, though it does bring up some pretty good points that were relevant at the time.

I'm going back to halfchan. I know that's used as an insult a la "back to reddit" because we masturbate on feeling superior to those cuckchaners (wow, attaching "cuck" to a preexisting word, tell me how we're better than /intl/ and it's "rulecuck" again?), but this place is unbearable. The two reasons why I left, gamergate and free speech, are both null anyway. Gamergate is a playground for underage redditors and free speech only brings Kennedi check em check em check em check em check em spam and unbearable repetitive obnoxiousness anyway.

I want an actual place for discussion in which more than 3 people communicate and actual fun, noteworthy events to pop up once in a while. I want a place where "anon" means something, where an actual diverse cast of different viewpoints and ideologies can communicate anonymously and things don't devolve into furious reddit-style circlejerking after a few posts (hence the replies to this very thread). Oh, and the high density of redditors is another reason too. Looking back, I wonder why the fuck I didn't leave immediately when copypaste started advertising on reddit. Who in their right minds would be that fucking stupid? Even luggage lad didn't engage in such degeneracy.

And the fucking post errors are ridiculous. I know edge lords are going to spout "hhahaha LOL good riddance u cuckchanner!!11 And stay there xdddd!!!11!", but I'm only in pursuit of a fucking working site in which you can actually post shit. What bothers me the most is that this place had potential. It could've been so much more. We could've had thriving little active communities all the way down the board list, with useful stickies and information dumps and posts everywhere you looked. We could've been the go-to site for everybody's obscure hobbies, except less autistic than reddit turned out to be. Imagine if we had a userbase the size of reddit, but not consisting of the same autists as reddit like we do now. Creatable boards on an IB site seems like such a fun concept, yet copypaste and the cancerous elitism of the userbase blew it. You fucking fags, you made it all go to waste.

Of course, that's not to say it's entirely your fault. Some blame has to be put on the godawful administration and moderation of this site, too. Copypaste and Jim straight up don't know how to run a site. They can't make a fucking functioning system without spilling all it's shit every 2 minutes. They, despite knowing making a platform dedicated to free speech would put them under attack, failed to take any measures and fell susceptible to ddos after techincal attack after moderation infiltration. And they hired josh. When the userbase was actually at it's strongest in terms of numbers, although the post quality had dipped since the exodus, they took the jump to Next and didn't complete it, losing a shitton of their users on the way. And in doing so they let /intl/, who seem to be actually competent in terms of sustaining a culture and memes, attack us at or weakest, and in doing so they lost even more users.

8chan isn't going to be a story of warriors that overcame the corrupt 4chan like all that patriotic OC from exodus-era /v/ played it up to be. It's going to be a story of what not to do, and either /pol/ is going to consume the rest of the site and we become nothing more than stormfront.com's secondary base with remnants of IB culture thrown in, or our consistent streak of losing users and being insufferable pieces of shit that no one would deliberately go to a site and talk to catches up to us and the entire thing wanes off and dies.

Enjoy, fags. Enjoy being ever so confident in telling me to leave because I'm a dirty halfchanner. Enjoy riding this sinking ship and not realizing you were on the wrong side until your corpse is already drenched. Enjoy continuously siding with the cripple and the jew, despite their repeated fuck ups. Enjoy being so obsessed about "OC" despite not having one drop of talent in all of the userbase. Enjoy 2 active boards, one slowly being choked to death by it's own spam, and hundreds of inactive dead ones. Enjoy filtering or saging everyone you disagree with and then calling tumblr the hugbox. Fucking enjoy all of it.
 
Off-topic post but I've been going through old 8chan stuff I saved on a hard drive for the nostalgia. I found this copypasta that was posted constantly on /b/ circa late 2015, probably to flood threads and make scrolling through them a pain. The pasta itself is the longest, most butthurt flounce post I've ever seen on the internet, though it does bring up some pretty good points that were relevant at the time.

I'm going back to halfchan. I know that's used as an insult a la "back to reddit" because we masturbate on feeling superior to those cuckchaners (wow, attaching "cuck" to a preexisting word, tell me how we're better than /intl/ and it's "rulecuck" again?), but this place is unbearable. The two reasons why I left, gamergate and free speech, are both null anyway. Gamergate is a playground for underage redditors and free speech only brings Kennedi check em check em check em check em check em spam and unbearable repetitive obnoxiousness anyway.

I want an actual place for discussion in which more than 3 people communicate and actual fun, noteworthy events to pop up once in a while. I want a place where "anon" means something, where an actual diverse cast of different viewpoints and ideologies can communicate anonymously and things don't devolve into furious reddit-style circlejerking after a few posts (hence the replies to this very thread). Oh, and the high density of redditors is another reason too. Looking back, I wonder why the fuck I didn't leave immediately when copypaste started advertising on reddit. Who in their right minds would be that fucking stupid? Even luggage lad didn't engage in such degeneracy.

And the fucking post errors are ridiculous. I know edge lords are going to spout "hhahaha LOL good riddance u cuckchanner!!11 And stay there xdddd!!!11!", but I'm only in pursuit of a fucking working site in which you can actually post shit. What bothers me the most is that this place had potential. It could've been so much more. We could've had thriving little active communities all the way down the board list, with useful stickies and information dumps and posts everywhere you looked. We could've been the go-to site for everybody's obscure hobbies, except less autistic than reddit turned out to be. Imagine if we had a userbase the size of reddit, but not consisting of the same autists as reddit like we do now. Creatable boards on an IB site seems like such a fun concept, yet copypaste and the cancerous elitism of the userbase blew it. You fucking fags, you made it all go to waste.

Of course, that's not to say it's entirely your fault. Some blame has to be put on the godawful administration and moderation of this site, too. Copypaste and Jim straight up don't know how to run a site. They can't make a fucking functioning system without spilling all it's shit every 2 minutes. They, despite knowing making a platform dedicated to free speech would put them under attack, failed to take any measures and fell susceptible to ddos after techincal attack after moderation infiltration. And they hired josh. When the userbase was actually at it's strongest in terms of numbers, although the post quality had dipped since the exodus, they took the jump to Next and didn't complete it, losing a shitton of their users on the way. And in doing so they let /intl/, who seem to be actually competent in terms of sustaining a culture and memes, attack us at or weakest, and in doing so they lost even more users.

8chan isn't going to be a story of warriors that overcame the corrupt 4chan like all that patriotic OC from exodus-era /v/ played it up to be. It's going to be a story of what not to do, and either /pol/ is going to consume the rest of the site and we become nothing more than stormfront.com's secondary base with remnants of IB culture thrown in, or our consistent streak of losing users and being insufferable pieces of shit that no one would deliberately go to a site and talk to catches up to us and the entire thing wanes off and dies.

Enjoy, fags. Enjoy being ever so confident in telling me to leave because I'm a dirty halfchanner. Enjoy riding this sinking ship and not realizing you were on the wrong side until your corpse is already drenched. Enjoy continuously siding with the cripple and the jew, despite their repeated fuck ups. Enjoy being so obsessed about "OC" despite not having one drop of talent in all of the userbase. Enjoy 2 active boards, one slowly being choked to death by it's own spam, and hundreds of inactive dead ones. Enjoy filtering or saging everyone you disagree with and then calling tumblr the hugbox. Fucking enjoy all of it.
Thats some good foreshadowing (though 4chan is pretty much like r-ddit at the moment), do you have a link to the archived thread?
 
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Does that mean anything or was he just attention whoring? If he's been told he's about to die that might explain why he's said fuck it, started fattening up, and pursuing grudges. If it's some kind of attempt to make things right before he dies and goes to Hell it would make more sense to let that shit go, though.
He became a massive SJW, so his mentality is probably if he's going to die he might as well ruin as many people as he can before he does. A final fuck you, if you will.
 
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