US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"

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Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
another weird tangent, anyone else notice Fred has apparently banded up with some furries, changed his avatar to a racoon, joined a furry online group that includes one of his whiteknights who has some pro-pedo rants on HW's twitterline. Wild world we're living in.
This is the basic evolution of a pedophile. The next step is going to be claiming victim status.
 
Update: Everybody's getting sued! (Apparently!)
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...the suit names three individuals and companies associated with 8chan as responsible for Crusius' actions Aug. 3.

These individuals include James A. Watkins of Sagle, Idaho, who does business as Pacific Internet Exchange, LLC and N T Technology, Inc.; Matthew Prince of San Francisco, who is co-founder and chief executive officer of Cloudflare Inc.; and Frederick Brennan of Atlantic City, New Jersey, according to the original petition filed Tuesday.


Frederick appears distressed by this latest development, and immediately begs to join the other team.
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Oh man, this is an entertaining development. :popcorn:

There are a bunch of recent media stories where Fred is bragging about being the founder of 8chan. Moderation under his admin was less then under Jim. Fred allowed and defended /pol/.

Atlantic City? Someone on one of the bunker chans said he is on social security disability. I was wondering how that works being a citizen of another nation? I wonder if he is still claiming to be living in NJ?

CF must get sued 50 times a week.
After having to deal with being called to testify in front of a homeland security and Congress I doubt this is a big deal for Jim.
 
Update: Everybody's getting sued! (Apparently!)
(https://archive.li/pVPz4)



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This guy's hateboner for Jim is enough that he's willing to testify for the people suing him just to get back at Jimbo. Idk, seems like an immensely cucked thing to do (or par for the course for Fred "Cuck wheels" Brennan). Maybe if he ducked his head and kept out of it they might not have thought to sue him.
 
Update: Everybody's getting sued! (Apparently!)
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That is fucking amzaing, I want to see what happens next
 
Update: Everybody's getting sued! (Apparently!)
The family of the guy is probably in more danger of having to settle out as a result of this legal attack than 8chan and certainly Cloudflare is. I'm sure that subhuman pedophile Brennan will help target them.

I wonder who put the slip and fall lawyer up to this. It's possible it's just an attempt to gain fame/steal money, but it's also possible that there's coordination with whoever's running Brennan to attack free speech and establish Israeli-style 'collective punishment' policies as practiced against the families of anyone who gets murdered by them for standing up to their regime of terror. This would be in line with the general thrust of the ADL/SPLC/Mossad push for legislation against free speech in the US.
 
The family of the guy is probably in more danger of having to settle out as a result of this legal attack than 8chan and certainly Cloudflare is. I'm sure that subhuman pedophile Brennan will help target them.

I wonder who put the slip and fall lawyer up to this. It's possible it's just an attempt to gain fame/steal money, but it's also possible that there's coordination with whoever's running Brennan to attack free speech and establish Israeli-style 'collective punishment' policies as practiced against the families of anyone who gets murdered by them for standing up to their regime of terror. This would be in line with the general thrust of the ADL/SPLC/Mossad push for legislation against free speech in the US.
Or maybe the lawyer is a shyster who saw a chance to get his name in lights for some cheap activism, and screw a few thousand out of a client in the process, and brennan is a crippled rətard who doesn't know when to shut up.
 
Hotwheels is turning into a pretty entertaining lolcow. Soon enough he's going to need a thread of his own as long as he doesn't have any sudden "accidents" over there in the Philippines that stop him from further spergery.
I still do not understand what his hateboner for Jimbo is. He walked away from 8chan way before it was shut down I thought so what's the deal?
 
I don't know how much money Jim has but Cloudflare will probably settle. I don't imagine they'll bother raking Fred over the coals, he's broke right? I can see him being dropped.

It's cheaper for Cloudflare to move for dismissal under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Any legal theory of liability that the plaintiffs have for Cloudflare will involve matters that clearly fall under it.
 
I still do not understand what his hateboner for Jimbo is. He walked away from 8chan way before it was shut down I thought so what's the deal?
At some point, Brennan took a vacation- possibly unannounced- and Jim took over oversight of moderation reports for a week or so, having previously taken a hands off approach. After he started doing hands on reviews of complaints made against the /doll 'child modelling' and /hebe 'creepshots of 12yo girls' boards, he rapidly noped the fuck out and removed them. Brennan still hasn't recovered.

Whatever you say about Jim Watkins, and no doubt he's an asshole, Brennan's claims that he's 'just in it for the notoriety' or money focused (hence the pandering to Qtards) are clearly not true. Otherwise he would have maintained the same 'it's legal in the US, I can't get rid of it because it gains me users' line that Brennan did in regards those two boards. At least, that was Brennan's public reasoning.
 
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