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Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
Are they? There was a document released that I think allegedly showed where [Brennan] had been living, that I recall [Brennan] freaking out about. He blamed that Mark guy from /v/ for it. I believe [Brennan] claimed that he had moved after that.
Well, During the 8chan days (when he was still associated) Jim and HW were neighbors. I THINK right after Jim got rid of HW, they were still neighbors - soon after, Vice broke into Jim's apartment for an interview.

He may have moved now. Though, I'm not sure how many buildings can adequately service his needs. Philippines aint the USA. Nobody cares about 32" door widths for your wheelchair.
 
Well, During the 8chan days (when he was still associated) Jim and HW were neighbors. I THINK right after Jim got rid of HW, they were still neighbors - soon after, Vice broke into Jim's apartment for an interview.

He may have moved now. Though, I'm not sure how many buildings can adequately service his needs. Philippines aint the USA. Nobody cares about 32" door widths for your wheelchair.
The claim that [Brennan] made about the alleged doxing is here. Obviously, his claims about Mark's intentions are not credible, as [Brennan] is not a credible person, and doxing him is very funny, but I can only assume that it would have been his previous address from when he worked with 8chan.

Good point about the building thing, although there are a lot of other sexpats around in the Philippines, and some of them are disabled by age. I'm guessing that whatever he has setup, whether it's renting or owning, is probably in his wife's name- has this come out at any point?
 
Bwuahahahaha...oh my sides guys, really...this _has_ been entertaining. Obviously this is a total victory at this point but let's recap the days events shall we:

• 8kun comes online via some shit tier provider in Russia called VDSINA.RU, a known malware / spam network
• Oh, scratch that, by ONLINE I mean only via TOR, definitely not on clearnet
• Also scratch that, you can't post at all
• Oh wait, you CAN post but you need Q level clearance to do so: https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/status/1190724298173890560?s=20
• DDoS mitigation by boy genius Nick Lim apparently doesn't work, as you can see here CAPTCHA DOWN: https://i.gyazo.com/cf4c3a198087807ae8d0cc47c8d87102.png
• Garbage Lokinet contingency by Ron also failed spectacularly: https://i.gyazo.com/970555e7e46aee5db5e7fe6b164a4839.png
• Apparently Lokinet forgot to renew their free shit tier certificate from Let's Encrypt lol: https://twitter.com/Lokinet_org/status/1190813128667254784
• The chuckleheads didn't even bother to test post IDs with this ultra 4k web3 tech stack, so they're also broken and likely won't be fixed

>tfw you realize your entire operation was contingent on Cloudflare
>tfw everyone in this thread thought some 16D chess was in the works
>tfw another nullroute approaches any minute now

The funniest part is that during their panic today some genius in their clique decided it was a good idea to post some debunked bullshit as "Q"....When literally nobody else can post. Right on "queue" minutes after launch. The grift is becoming so obvious and desperate at this point even boomers will be noticing. Anyways, yeah I'd love to hear how today was a resounding success for these tryhards, by all means, share your stories gentlemen...please! I'll grab ice and a massive stein for the oceans of milk you goys have been building up. Those udders must be ready to absolutely burst by now.

I'm not always watching this thread...so if you prefer to remain anonymous, make edgy death threats, or alternately want to join the fun in some way, feel free to drop me an email: feedme@7dmail.com
 

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>tfw everyone in this thread thought some 16D chess was in the works

That includes you, dude.

Anyways, yeah I'd love to hear how today was a resounding success for these tryhards, by all means, share your stories gentlemen...please!

I'm not really sure why you'd think that people here are invested in 8kun - a neutered site rebuilt by a man past his prime - other than it's a representation of people trying to shut down a possible outlet for people to share opinions with others that are deemed distasteful. Like another user said, most of us wouldn't have given an iota of a shit if you two didn't make such a big deal out of it.

I'll grab ice and a massive stein for the oceans of tard cum you goys have been building up. Those udders must be ready to absolutely burst by now

The extended cow metaphors are gross dude.

I'm not always watching this thread...so if you prefer to remain anonymous, make edgy death threats, or alternately want to join the fun in some way, feel free to drop me an email:

I apologize for speaking for the people who view this thread in advance, but I'm pretty sure nobody wishes death upon you people. As far as I'm concerned, I wish you guys would stop because in my experience hubris is always answered with horrible consequences, not to mention that you specifically can pay more attention to your site if you leave this alone.

Call me naive but I just wish you could stop fighting with each other when the very same sword you're beating out of a plowshare will be turned on you soon enough. It seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
Bwuahahahaha...oh my sides guys, really...this _has_ been entertaining. Obviously this is a total victory at this point but let's recap the days events shall we:

• 8kun comes online via some shit tier provider in Russia called VDSINA.RU, a known malware / spam network
• Oh, scratch that, by ONLINE I mean only via TOR, definitely not on clearnet
• Also scratch that, you can't post at all
• Oh wait, you CAN post but you need Q level clearance to do so: https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/status/1190724298173890560?s=20
• DDoS mitigation by boy genius Nick Lim apparently doesn't work, as you can see here CAPTCHA DOWN: https://i.gyazo.com/cf4c3a198087807ae8d0cc47c8d87102.png
• Garbage Lokinet contingency by Ron also failed spectacularly: https://i.gyazo.com/970555e7e46aee5db5e7fe6b164a4839.png
• Apparently Lokinet forgot to renew their free shit tier certificate from Let's Encrypt lol: https://twitter.com/Lokinet_org/status/1190813128667254784
• The chuckleheads didn't even bother to test post IDs with this ultra 4k web3 tech stack, so they're also broken and likely won't be fixed

>tfw you realize your entire operation was contingent on Cloudflare
>tfw everyone in this thread thought some 16D chess was in the works
>tfw another nullroute approaches any minute now

The funniest part is that during their panic today some genius in their clique decided it was a good idea to post some debunked bullshit as "Q"....When literally nobody else can post. Right on "queue" minutes after launch. The grift is becoming so obvious and desperate at this point even boomers will be noticing. Anyways, yeah I'd love to hear how today was a resounding success for these tryhards, by all means, share your stories gentlemen...please! I'll grab ice and a massive stein for the oceans of tard cum you goys have been building up. Those udders must be ready to absolutely burst by now.

I'm not always watching this thread...so if you prefer to remain anonymous, make edgy death threats, or alternately want to join the fun in some way, feel free to drop me an email: feedme@7dmail.com
Why are you so mad about not being able to look at naked children?
 
"Not everything is QAnon snipers, potato-boy"

I believe Jim and HW are still neighbors. This whole thing can lead to some REALLY awkward elevator-time.
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Remember what you were saying about people in the 'burbs, Art, people like Skip, people who mow their lawn for the 48 hundred times, and then snap? Well, that is us! It's not them. It's us! WE'RE the ones who are vaulting over the fences, and peeking in through people's windows. We're the ones who are throwing garbage in the street, and lighting fires... we're the ones acting suspicious and paranoid... We're the lunatics. US!!! Not them!!! It's us.
 
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This is certainly an ironic turn, considering how much he was kissing your ass earlier.
I don't know who he is. I'm happy to have support but people are complaining about how he's throwing out his email address and trying to coordinate some sort of response like he's actively involved in anything and like the KF is an appropriate place to rally the troops for some political thing.
 
So here Fredrick talks about how a hypothetical attacker (not him, guys! Why does everyone keep suggesting that?) might go about doing DDoSing 8kun, hypothetically.
brennan1.png

(https://archive.li/8sE6V)

Here's Fredrick talking about how vulnerable 8kun might be to a spam attack (hypothetically, guys! Seriously!)
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(https://archive.li/axY8j)

Seriously guys, it's all just hypothetical! Why do you people keep thinking Hotwheels is DDOSing or inspiring others to do so? That's silly. You can't inspire people to action just by commenting about it or by giving the perpetrator tongue-in-cheek instructions in some sort of forum! ...wait... 🤔
brennan3.png

(https://archive.li/QlNsZ)

"A screenshot of an IRC chat with Lokinet's main dev that implies he told me their onion router isn't ready, how vulnerable it is to attack, and me very clearly replying "Is that so", and then a screenshot of me on Twitter bragging about it? Bah! It's just that evil bitch @Yotsubaaa taking shit out of context again!"
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(https://archive.li/Geeer) (I also found this 'Geeer' archive link funny.)
 
Bwuahahahaha...oh my sides guys, really...this _has_ been entertaining. Obviously this is a total victory at this point but let's recap the days events shall we:

• 8kun comes online via some shit tier provider in Russia called VDSINA.RU, a known malware / spam network
• Oh, scratch that, by ONLINE I mean only via TOR, definitely not on clearnet
• Also scratch that, you can't post at all
• Oh wait, you CAN post but you need Q level clearance to do so: https://twitter.com/HW_BEAT_THAT/status/1190724298173890560?s=20
• DDoS mitigation by boy genius Nick Lim apparently doesn't work, as you can see here CAPTCHA DOWN: https://i.gyazo.com/cf4c3a198087807ae8d0cc47c8d87102.png
• Garbage Lokinet contingency by Ron also failed spectacularly: https://i.gyazo.com/970555e7e46aee5db5e7fe6b164a4839.png
• Apparently Lokinet forgot to renew their free shit tier certificate from Let's Encrypt lol: https://twitter.com/Lokinet_org/status/1190813128667254784
• The chuckleheads didn't even bother to test post IDs with this ultra 4k web3 tech stack, so they're also broken and likely won't be fixed

>tfw you realize your entire operation was contingent on Cloudflare
>tfw everyone in this thread thought some 16D chess was in the works
>tfw another nullroute approaches any minute now

The funniest part is that during their panic today some genius in their clique decided it was a good idea to post some debunked bullshit as "Q"....When literally nobody else can post. Right on "queue" minutes after launch. The grift is becoming so obvious and desperate at this point even boomers will be noticing. Anyways, yeah I'd love to hear how today was a resounding success for these tryhards, by all means, share your stories gentlemen...please! I'll grab ice and a massive stein for the oceans of tard cum you goys have been building up. Those udders must be ready to absolutely burst by now.

I'm not always watching this thread...so if you prefer to remain anonymous, make edgy death threats, or alternately want to join the fun in some way, feel free to drop me an email: feedme@7dmail.com
Yeah, I kind of figured.

So when's the countdown until our pal starts calling Null and KiwiFarms some evil person/website he has all the dirt on next?

EDIT: @Yotsubaaa not only is he still doing his best to tip off "personal army" stragglers to help with the DDoS'ing attmepts he was dumb enough to mention what kind of script he is considering writing that would help take the site down. I got them archived somewhere in case he takes them down, but most of my archives aren't tagged/titled so it would be a while to find it.

Guess you didn't listen to the Qanon Anonymous podcast Fred was on. He mentions Kiwi Farms is a "stalker site" and how we apparently single out mentally ill and trans people etc. Don't believe he mentioned he was on "alt-right personality" (and race-mixer lol) Ethan Ralph's show with Josh just a few months ago.
That's another thing that will definitely catch up with Freddy. He wants so badly to be accepted and not just by one group. He craves attention and acceptance. Likely this goes back to his dad abandoning him so he could stay with the chick he hired as live-in nurse.

Also, hey @L33TGUY is your cp-chan still down lol? You say it's been nothing but a victory but oddly enough, I recall both you and @copypaste claiming the site would never come up and it did. I love how just like 2 days before the site came online he starts to say how "maybe it won't be bad if I can't keep it from coming online." Lol, yeah, nice goal post moving.

I kind of wonder if he hasn't got a leaker on the inside, he's mentioned leaks so I'm almost certain that is the case. I haven't used imageboards regularly for about a decade so wasn't heavily invested, and had respect for Fred primarily out of respect for his libertarian views on free speech. Since then though I've learned a lot more about Fred and his personality is shining through. You're tight with him now, so if I were you I'd watch my back. He was friends with Josh before writing that blog post about how everything was his fault with Infinity next. He was friends with Mark before he started claiming he was involved in the Halle shooting and started sharing private messages between the two of them. At the time he stepped down he called Jim and Ron great people and said they ran the site well, but he's proven he has no loyalty to any ideal or person. It's all about what serves him at the moment.

As for Jim selling shirts, I checked and he doesn't have any Q related merch so don't know how that applies lol. Like I said, I looked up to Fred and wasn't an 8chan user but at this point I'm rooting for them just to see you and Hotwheels' inevitable shitfit if/when the site succeeds. So fuck yeah, gimme one of those HOEtwheeS mad shirts and maybe I'll order a leetguy BTFO'd cap to wear with it lol.

One last thing... are you fucking serious with all this Transmet calls himself "l33tguy" like yr an edgy 12 year old on AOL chat? I mean, if you were 12 it'd be maybe a little more understandable the fact that you host (scuse me, hosted() a site full of naked kids, but eh, as an adult. Dude, come on man, yr gross.

 
I am not sure why deplatformers and DDOSers would come here in search of support. Everyone knows the shit Josh goes through to fight that crap to keep KF online. And we all know the second the jurno's stop taking HW's calls he will turn this way to get more LIKES and SHARES on social media. They will be lining up around the corner to suck his E-dick when he goes after KF.

I started lurking on vch.moe to watch some of this drama play out. Its clearly the biggest group of 8chan refugee's on the "webring". This is a sample of the absolute evil HW and his merry band of pedo's are saving the world from:

Mark's record levels of legit autism have already been documented. No need to rehash all that.
When they talk about the Qboomers not many seem to know much about them because they stayed self contained in their /qresearch/ board. These people are lost trying to put a .onion address in to their Mac's Safari and I think are the same types that had a hard time programing a VCR when they where younger. It's a real demonstration of 31337 sk1llz shutting that group down.

So when it's all said and done HW will have saved the world by deplatforming TV obsessed ogars, video game autists, and some Qcombers who hurt noone. He didn't do shit to stop /pol/ and they are still dropping menifesto's around the internet.

The most interesting part of this whole show is the root of this "vendetta". At best I can tell it's because Jim cut off HW's access to CP, stopped paying his rent, and stopped paying for his "wife" :story:
 
I am not sure why deplatformers and DDOSers would come here in search of support. Everyone knows the shit Josh goes through to fight that crap to keep KF online. And we all know the second the jurno's stop taking HW's calls he will turn this way to get more LIKES and SHARES on social media. They will be lining up around the corner to suck his E-dick when he goes after KF.

I started lurking on vch.moe to watch some of this drama play out. Its clearly the biggest group of 8chan refugee's on the "webring". This is a sample of the absolute evil HW and his merry band of pedo's are saving the world from:

Mark's record levels of legit autism have already been documented. No need to rehash all that.
When they talk about the Qboomers not many seem to know much about them because they stayed self contained in their /qresearch/ board. These people are lost trying to put a .onion address in to their Mac's Safari and I think are the same types that had a hard time programing a VCR when they where younger. It's a real demonstration of 31337 sk1llz shutting that group down.

So when it's all said and done HW will have saved the world by deplatforming TV obsessed ogars, video game autists, and some Qcombers who hurt noone. He didn't do shit to stop /pol/ and they are still dropping menifesto's around the internet.

The most interesting part of this whole show is the root of this "vendetta". At best I can tell it's because Jim cut off HW's access to CP, stopped paying his rent, and stopped paying for his "wife" :story:
Isn't Gahoole the board owner of /tv/?
speaking of /tv/ I've heard its the closest to 4chan posting quality besides /b/ and /b2/ to the point wheres its disliked by a lot of people due to constantly being off topic and frequently flooding other boards. It might also have to do with Mark and Gahoole being friends (hence why /tv/ is on vch.moe and the fact that Gahoole has had a "interesting" encounter with the /leftypol/ board owner
 
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Isn't Gahoole the board owner of /tv/?
speaking of /tv/ I've heard its the closest to 4chan posting quality besides /b/ and /b2/ to the point wheres its disliked by a lot of people.
Ya. vch is the /v/ and /tv/ bunker. If you go by posts per hour vch is the biggest 8chan refugee site.

Yes I imagine the /tv/ users are all about the same as their leader. Ogres posting from their messy bedrooms waiting for their Mom's to bring them chicken tenders and cola. Look at what the subject matter of the board is. Modern american TV and holleywood. There is zero quality involved with anything related to /tv/. They just sit around and talk about the trash they passively consume from the television. When there is nothing on tv they just shitpost like /b/. My guess is Mark felt pitty for them and gave them refuge on his site.

Are the /tv/ people retarded? Yes. Completely.
Do I think they deserve to be deplatformed? Absolutely not.
 
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At least now they're legally fireproof. Disclaimer: your crazy is not our fault.
So you're tellimg me Jim Watkins didn't approve of the Christ Church shooting and manifesto all along?
Isn't Gahoole the board owner of /tv/?
speaking of /tv/ I've heard its the closest to 4chan posting quality besides /b/ and /b2/ to the point wheres its disliked by a lot of people due to constantly being off topic and frequently flooding other boards. It might also have to do with Mark and Gahoole being friends (hence why /tv/ is on vch.moe and the fact that Gahoole has had a "interesting" encounter with the /leftypol/ board owner
Wait, is this the same Gahoole that was apart of the "Backyard Bloodsports" and their spergnest of a fanclub (Clowntown/Anime Mafia)?
 
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