US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
8chan might be back!
Nice!

EDIT to include: Fredrick doesn't seem to be bragging about the 8kun.org forwarding block (as would be his MO if he were the culprit), so I'm leaning towards him not having been directly responsible here:
8kunlives6.png

(https://archive.li/TZ8M6)

Well, they're back up (for now). Your move, @copypaste!
Boooh, Flobby Limbs can fuck off, he betrayed the community because he wanted to be seen as a SJW. Weary Lurker put it best:
"Shut it down"

Hey look, jelly bones finally found a booster chair to bang his little malformed limbs on a table. I hope he doesn't hurt himself to much, screaming from the top of his lungs and such.
 
Maybe I will get a "late" tag for this. Sorry if its a repost. I guess I missed the part where he steps (figuratively,of course) on the HK protesters to hurt 8chan.
HOLY SHIT!
I think this confirms that this has nothing to do with morality or his feeling guilty and is just him trying to cover his deformed ass and hurt Jim.

I just checked back to the page in this thread around Oct. 18th and I didn't see this. I think his doxing Ron's wife as well distracted everyone.
 
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So he's so consumed by his hate and jealousy that he doesn't care about anything, including human rights, just as long as there's a chance he can inflict some damage to the Watkins?

What a pathetic, nasty little man.

He should hope he's wrong about his Christian beliefs because he'll burn in Hell for that.
 
HOLY SHIT!
I think this confirms that this has nothing to do with morality or his feeling guilty and is just him trying to cover his deformed ass and hurt Jim.

I just checked back to the page in this thread around Oct. 18th and I didn't see this. I think his doxing Ron's wife as well distracted everyone.
I archived it here, but good catch nonetheless. I completely overlooked that part about the Hong Kong protesters myself.

Anyway, Fredrick has another pastebin for us just now, too.
fredrickstrikesback.png

(https://archive.li/bWcLI)

Code:
EMAILS: abuse@web.com s.rowlands@web.com c.clohecy@web.com j.landon@web.com d.lynch@web.com d.myers@web.com c.ortbals@web.com h.rowan@web.com t.schremp@web.com

I am writing today about a domain supplied by web.com acquired through Network Solutions: https://8kun.us.  The owner of this domain Jim Watkins is using it to get around a suspension of their domain 8KUN.NET until it can be successfully transferred elsewhere.  I would urge you to read the following carefully before taking a decision on the matter. Also note that several of your pier domain registrars including name.com and Tucows have decide to not do business with Jim Watkins. I will also point out, and you can confirm this with a web search, that media attention on this story grows by the day.

IP in question: 62.113.113.103 via VDSINA.RU, is a particularly well known Russian crime-based hosting facility on spamhaus and other malware block lists.   

8KUN.NET was active before Tucows suspended their domain. They were originally deplatformed in August by Tucows as 8KUN.NET was nothing more than an obvious copy of the original and notorious 8chan or 8CH.NET

Throughout 2019, three terrorist manifestos were uploaded to 8chan. The terrorists in Christchurch, New Zealand, Poway, California, and El Paso, Texas, used 8chan to upload their manifestos. Between all three attacks, over 70 people died. Here is an archive of the ChristChurch massacre with the original post by the shooter Brenton Tarrant to give you some perspective:  https://archive.st/archive/2019/3/8ch.net/7s0s/8ch.net/pol/res/12916717.html

WaPo reported that 8chan is an incubator for mass shooters: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/04/three-mass-shootings-this-year-began-with-hateful-screed-chan-its-founder-calls-it-terrorist-refuge-plain-sight/

As a result, 8chan was removed from many major American networks. It was deplatformed by Tucows, CloudFlare and Epik in August; and from Zare (UK) as "8kun" in October.  Since then many others, but they are now using your registrar to hide behind yet another domain.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2019/08/05/tucows-drops-8chan-domain-registration-after-el-paso-shooting/#294385f9ffbf
https://blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/

All competent observers agree that 8kun is no different than 8chan, and is a bad faith rebrand to try to evade bans.

https://www.cnet.com/news/controversial-site-8chan-tries-to-return-under-8kun-name/
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmj8y4/inside-the-war-to-kill-off-8chan-and-crush-qanon

Here is a live shot of 8KUN.US showing how it looks identical to 8ch.net but with a new logo: https://i.imgur.com/IO286XB.png - Compare to 8ch: https://i.imgur.com/abX8tuY.jpg

8chan was known to host and promote content that is in violation of your acceptable use policy, this includes regular images and video of murder, including the 51 victims of the Christchurch massacre. Most notably 8chan violates on a daily basis your “Offensive Content” ban:

- (xiii) utilize the Services in any manner deemed, in Company’s sole discretion, to be violent or
encouraging violence;
- (xiv) utilize the Services in a manner deemed, in Company’s sole discretion, to display bigotry,
racism, discrimination, or hatred in any manner whatsoever;
- (xv) utilize the Services in any manner that might subject Company to unfavorable regulatory
action, subject Company to any liability for any reason, or adversely affect Company's public
image, reputation or goodwill, including, without limitation, sending, displaying or distributing
sexually explicit, hateful, vulgar, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable materials as
determined by Company in its sole discretion;

Above taken from: https://assets.web.com/legal/English/AcceptableUsePolicy.pdf

Since then, 8chan's owner, Jim Watkins, and his son, Ron Watkins, have become more and more desperate to find partners who will do business with them. It would not be a good look for your company allow that to continue. 

The FBI considers Qanon supporters a domestic terrorism threat and 8CH/8KUN is ground zero for these users: https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html

I hope that you will not allow them to do this to you, as allowing them services has already indirectly caused real people to lose their lives around the world. 8chan is a breeding ground for extremism, and is reaching a public safety threat not far from that posed by ISIS or other terrorist groups. We urge you to stand against the type of “free speech” Jim Watkins and 8chan/8kun are offering. I hope you also consider carefully that members of US congress have indicated they may pass a law that changes how Section 230 would apply to hate speech and to make tech companies liable. This legislation is coming. You have an opportunity to be on the right side of history with this issue. We hope you’ll take it. Choosing to support these people will be extremely unfavourable when the next mass shooter leaves his manifesto on 8KUN.US.
Looks like they don't mention the Hong Kong protests in their pastebins anymore. 🤔

Also I noticed Fredrick had a chat with our favorite 'Investigative Reporter'.
fredrickwhywouldyoudothis.png

(https://archive.li/2QYJP)

Oh geez. I'll have a listen in a sec and see if Fredrick says anything interesting.

EDIT: For anyone actually keen on listening to this (lol), be forewarned that Jared Holt talks in short monotonous bursts, "as if...he's got...some sort of...brain damage", and Fredrick, madlad that he is, starts mirroring that habit a couple of minutes into the interview. It's obnoxious as hell.
32:55 Fredrick Brennan on Jared Holt's Sh!tpost podcast Episode 77
33:10 Fredrick recounts his history and involvement with 8chan
35:10 Why does Fredrick regret making the site? Sounds like he bought into the 'free speech' idea.
35:55 "I never saw the Nazis [on 8chan] just say 'Oh, you know what? It's actually true, the socialists are right'"
36:50 Jared asks if Fredrick ever expected that his website would end up the way it has when he was running it
37:30 "I never really expected full-out terrorists to use [8chan]"
38:20 "At the end of 8chan on the /pol/ board, the main arguments were over accelerationism"
39:05 Fredrick messaged Jared the other day, bitching about how he was getting sued by Jim.
39:20 "You theorized that [Jim] was not in the best mental condition...Can you talk more about that?" "Yes I can."
39:40 Jim's site TheGoldWater libeled Hillary Clinton. Jim's lucky she's not Filipino!
40:15 Is Jim even still a resident of the Philippines?
40:50 Fredrick's not very worried about being indicted for criminal libel.
42:20 "It shows that Jim Watkins is willing to do pretty much anything to shut me up"
43:20 About Fredrick's recent 'inquiries' to 8chan/8kun hosts.
44:35 Jim's pride is why he won't give up. "Winners never quit!" A "boomer mentality", apparently.
45:50 "4chan is a very similar site", but their moderation is better than 8chan's.
47:10 What should we all make of this 8chan reboot?
48:20 "I don't see any real change with this reboot...they're using the exact same everything."
48:35 Fredrick's name is still on the bottom of every page on 8kun.
49:35 "If [8kun] is long-term online again, we'll see the same thing that we saw with the 3 shootings that happened"
50:00 The 8chan community is uniquely willing and "tech-savvy enough" to disseminate a shooter's manifesto
52:00 Final words: "I would encourage people to join me in emailing [8kun]'s hosting providers"
53:10 What is Fredrick's favorite thing on the Internet? "There's this Youtube channel called 'Two-Minute Papers'."
53:55 End of interview.
 
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Down for me. Why can't the brittle boned bastard just lay off? All I want is to shitpost on /v/ like the good ole days.

Hopefully Flip justice moves faster than its Western counterparts because the sooner Jim's lolsuit is resolved and Fred is forced to collect pop-can tabs for another wheelchair the better.

There were so many interesting boards. I miss Tor posting. Being one of a number of anon #000000 was always nice.
 
It's (8kun) been pretty reachable via tor for at least days now. If it works for posting as well I don't know, it's been kinda dead.

What I first noticed is that every single post has this disclaimer at the botton: Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
 
It's (8kun) been pretty reachable via tor for at least days now. If it works for posting as well I don't know, it's been kinda dead.

What I first noticed is that every single post has this disclaimer at the botton: Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.

You can turn that off in settings.
 
So he's so consumed by his hate and jealousy that he doesn't care about anything, including human rights, just as long as there's a chance he can inflict some damage to the Watkins?

What a pathetic, nasty little man.
Actually, the fascist government of the PRC is extremely good if you're a DSA Tranny Communist on Twitter. It's the people who want to not be arrested by secret police and have their organs harvested to keep millionaires and billionaires alive that are actually "alt-right" "freedom" "white nationalist" "pepes" or whatever.
 
as i expect, registrar web.com (netsol) kick 8kun.us. is transfer to godaddy and quickly suspend. never use godaddy, is worst registrar. give six-figure domain away to fraud kid on phone who know registrant birthday.

despite country, .us tld have very strict abuse policy, not free speech friendly. with icann gtld you only have trouble from registrar. with .us you have trouble from registrar and registry, which this link show


tldr: jewish grifter make "fundraiser" website call fucknazis.us (what he mean is fuckwhitepeople.us). is seize by neustar for obscene word. eff and harvard law school take up cause and neustar give it back because nazi is hollywood villain. if name is fuckisrael.us or fuckjewishbolshevism.us, neustar would not return i think.
 
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