US Cloudflare: "Terminating Service for 8Chan"


Terminating Service for 8Chan

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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
The thing I'll miss the most from 8chan was /late/. A board that focused on late night feels and comfy vibes. I won't miss how the racists went apeshit across the place. I wonder if /late/ has a discord or something.
 
In the latest news, @L33TGUY tags in to request a personal army lament about how horrible it would be if people contacted the GoDaddy CEO about this 8kun thingo.
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Code:
EMAILS: abuse@godaddy.com
EXECS: Andrew Low Ah Kee (COO) https://twitter.com/alowahkee, Karen Tillman (Comms) https://twitter.com/ktillman
CEO: aman@godaddy.com https://twitter.com/sh0kunin
OTHER: investors@godaddy.com, PR@godaddy.com

I am writing today about a domain with registrar listed as Godaddy.com for: 8KUN.US.  The owner of this domain Jim Watkins is using it to get around a suspension of their domain 8KUN.NET until it can be successfully transferred elsewhere. I would urge you to read the following carefully before taking a decision on the matter. Also note that several of your pier domain registrars including name.com, web.com, and Tucows have decide to not do business with Jim Watkins. I will also point out, and you can confirm this with a web search, that media attention on this story grows by the day.

IP in question: 62.113.113.103 via VDSINA.RU, is a particularly well known Russian crime-based hosting facility often seen on spamhaus and other malware block lists.   

8KUN.NET was active before Tucows suspended their domain.  They were originally deplatformed in August by Tucows as 8KUN.NET was nothing more than an obvious copy of the original and notorious 8chan or 8CH.NET

Throughout 2019, three terrorist manifestos were uploaded to 8chan. The terrorists in Christchurch, New Zealand, Poway, California, and El Paso, Texas, used 8chan to upload their manifestos. Between all three attacks, over 70 people died. Here is an archive of the ChristChurch massacre with the original post by the shooter Brenton Tarrant to give you some perspective:  https://archive.st/archive/2019/3/8ch.net/7s0s/8ch.net/pol/res/12916717.html

WaPo reported that 8chan is an incubator for mass shooters: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/04/three-mass-shootings-this-year-began-with-hateful-screed-chan-its-founder-calls-it-terrorist-refuge-plain-sight/

As a result, 8chan was removed from many major American networks. It was deplatformed by Tucows, CloudFlare and Epik in August; and from Zare (UK) as "8kun" in October.  Since then many others, but they are now using your registrar to hide behind yet another domain.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2019/08/05/tucows-drops-8chan-domain-registration-after-el-paso-shooting/#294385f9ffbf
https://blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/

All competent observers agree that 8kun is no different than 8chan, and is a bad faith rebrand to try to evade bans.

https://www.cnet.com/news/controversial-site-8chan-tries-to-return-under-8kun-name/
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmj8y4/inside-the-war-to-kill-off-8chan-and-crush-qanon

Here is a live shot of 8KUN.US showing how it looks identical to 8ch.net but with a new logo: https://i.imgur.com/IO286XB.png - Compare to 8ch: https://i.imgur.com/abX8tuY.jpg

8chan was known to host and promote content that is in violation of your acceptable use policy, this includes regular images and video of murder, including the 51 victims of the Christchurch massacre. Most notably 8chan violated on a daily basis your own rule:

- Promotes, encourages or engages in terrorism, violence against people, animals, or property;

RE: from: https://ca.godaddy.com/legal-agreements

8chan's owner, Jim Watkins, and his son, Ron Watkins, have become more and more desperate to find partners who will do business with them. It would not be a good look for your company allow that to continue. 

The FBI considers Qanon supporters a domestic terrorism threat and 8CH/8KUN is ground zero for these users: https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html

I hope that you will not allow them to do this to you, as allowing them services has already indirectly caused real people to lose their lives around the world. 8chan is a breeding ground for extremism, and is reaching a public safety threat not far from that posed by ISIS or other terrorist groups. We urge you to stand against the type of “free speech” Jim Watkins and 8chan/8kun are offering. I hope you also consider carefully that members of US congress have indicated they may pass a law that changes how Section 230 would apply to hate speech and to make tech companies liable. This legislation is coming. You have an opportunity to be on the right side of history with this issue. We hope you’ll take it. Choosing to support these people will be extremely unfavourable when the next mass shooter leaves his manifesto on 8KUN.US.

Yep, fuckin' got 'em! As @lamber said, GoDaddy immediately caved.
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We got this nice little moment between @L33TGUY and @copypaste. Aww 🤗
(I can't wait to see which one of them betrays the other first.)
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Since 8kun seems to just be bouncing around domains, Fredrick helpfully suggests 8kun.ru. (Wait, RU? As in Rise Up?)
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Fredrick made his first post on 8kun too!
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He talked about it in his Twitter thread, right before he started sperging about captchas. (And that's all he's doing, guys! Seriously! Why do you guys keep saying he's giving people step-by-step instructions on how to flood 8kun with illegitimate posts? He's not the villain!)
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Apparently 8kun was back up at 8kun.tw. But that was supposed to be a secret, only meant for the eyes and ears of Jim's loyal followers on his mailing list! How did that crafty Fredrick gets his paws on it??
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And now Fredrick's decided to make his move against VDSina. Quick, tag in all the journalists!
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Eheh, um... Actually, I don't have anything funny to say about this next one. I'm legit starting to get worried for Fredrick at this point. Hey @copypaste, you stay safe, okay?
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Not sure who is more pathetic right now, HW or 2EdgyH4XX0RMan.

HW, for better or worse, at least has a grudge that you can trace and understand. He's totally retarded and a complete joke and will end up on one the lower circles of hell when he dies shortly for all this shit but at least you can give him a modicum of credit for going full retard on Jim out of spite.

Spider-man just looks like a pathetic hanger on trying to kiss-up to the cripple and is... jealous of Jim somehow? I still can't figure out why a guy who looks like he's got an actual life and functional body is spending so much free time lubing HW's chair over 8ch.
 
Gotta love how he's openly (and proudly!) using literal mafia tactics to harm someone who won't bend their knee to him. I wish people could learn from history. I really do. There are reasons why the mafia is considered "bad," and reasons why this particular "sure would be a shame if..." tactic is also considered "bad."

What's really a shame is this angry little spud will probably be dead before he experiences any of the real downsides to employing this tactic. It'd be a real shame if somebody employed this tactic against something he cares about. It takes time for people to organize their own protection from this scheme and counter-attacks to it, though, and I don't know how much time this shithead has left.
 
Imagine if Fredrick actually took all this time he spent chasing 8chan across the interwebs & spent them actually accomplishing something meaningful, like streaming World of Warcraft raiding. He's got the time and energy to commit to no-lifing, he's got a nurse to wipe in between pulls, and his gimpy little voice and body would attract both dedicated viewers and the carnival freak show crowd. He could dethrone Asmongold for chrissakes. But instead he wants to burn bridges at both ends. Fuck you and your matchstick bones, you fragile little Elf-on-a-Shelf.
 
Not sure who is more pathetic right now, HW or 2EdgyH4XX0RMan.

HW, for better or worse, at least has a grudge that you can trace and understand. He's totally exceptional and a complete joke and will end up on one the lower circles of hell when he dies shortly for all this shit but at least you can give him a modicum of credit for going full exceptional individual on Jim out of spite.

Spider-man just looks like a pathetic hanger on trying to kiss-up to the cripple and is... jealous of Jim somehow? I still can't figure out why a guy who looks like he's got an actual life and functional body is spending so much free time lubing HW's chair over 8ch.
FredWheels has to be paying him under the table. I refuse to believe anyone would willingly want to kiss up to his malformed ass.
 
How much anybody wanna bet that he found out his DNA is so horrendously fucked up that whatever spawn worms its way out of his microdick is destined to carry his disease, regardless of what the Jews in Cyprus try to do. How crazy has our world become that - bereft of any chance at leaving a tangible legacy and robbed of one thing that made him more than a crippled nobody - he's decided to make screwing over his former users and the internet as much and as hard as possible the final nail in his own coffin?

At this point, I'm just running it through my head, what else drives a man to such autistic lengths as this but the desperation for relevance before leaving life or nihilistic decay?
 
Cases like fredrick make me wonder why vigilantism isn't as widespread in our current era. I'm not condoning or calling for it, but it seems a lot more lucrative, and with far more targets clustered in small areas now than would have been during previous times. I guess the only thing I can think of is that security has increased exponentially to the point where 90% of assasination clients are glowies.
Off topic, but @Begemot that board along with /urbex/ were some of the most comfy experiences I've had on image boards. I remember having conversations that lasted months due to board inactivity, but the small handful of people on that board still came back after long breaks to respond.
 
At this point I think sticking with the webring will work out much smoother in the long run because its decentralized nature makes it a lot harder to DDoS or deplatform. 8chan/8kun’s name must be more radioactive than Chernobyl reactor #4 if one deformed cripple and his handful of buttbuddies messaging hosting companies about 8kun’s reputation is all it takes to deplatform it again and again. Because 8kun is centralized, sticking with it instead of the webring would mean everyone dealing with frequent random outages because the site got deplatformed or is being DDoSed.
 
Gotta love how he's openly (and proudly!) using literal mafia tactics to harm someone who won't bend their knee to him. I wish people could learn from history. I really do. There are reasons why the mafia is considered "bad," and reasons why this particular "sure would be a shame if..." tactic is also considered "bad."
Mafia tactics have nothing to do with this.

Whether Brennan is working directly for the Traditional Enemies of the Truth or not, his mission is in line with theirs and he is leveraging their power to enact their goals- to suppress all speech against them and make the entire world into their slaves.

Brennan doesn't have to threaten hosts with clandestine action, because the open organs of the enemy- the SPLC, ADL, media etc will do the job of attacking them for him. He, like antifa, is simply acting as a tool of the enemies of humanity.
 
So for those only occasionally checking in, what's the most current methods of accessing 8kun over normie net, onion net & zero net?

Kindly appreciated.

Also, is there somewhere that's not twatter where this info is routinely updated so this question doesn't have to be continually periodically repeated?
 
In one of his videos HW mentions that he always wanted to be a lawyer, and that he found this "loophole" to prevent the pig farmer from being a naturalized citizen. If you fuck with people expect them to react. Now he is crying that he is being sued. Live by the sword die by the sword.
Ah, you reminded me! We still have all of that to look forward to next year.
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Isn't Jim, like, loaded? In a country like the one HW lives in you can make people very miserable with that kind of money. I'm kinda surprised that hasn't happened yet to be honest. Maybe that's the crips' plan?
Or maybe Jim actually has more humanity than Fredrick and has been holding off out of pity. :thinking:

It'd be funny if that were the case that Jim would be acting more Christian than the born again virgin over there.
 
Or maybe Jim actually has more humanity than Fredrick and has been holding off out of pity.

It'd be funny if that were the case that Jim would be acting more Christian than the born again virgin over there.


Funnily enough, Fredrick claimed the polar opposite on that recent Jared Holt podcast (timestamp 42:20):
Fredrick Brennan said:
It shows that Jim Watkins is willing to do pretty much anything to shut me up, or to get me thrown in jail, or even y'know, to get me killed. Because it doesn't seem like, at least from my perspective, that I would last very long in a Philippines jail, right? So clearly he doesn't have any regard for that, so... It shows to me that he is just willing to go to any level to try to keep me quiet about him and his businesses.
 
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