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August 05, 2019 1:44AM


The mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio are horrific tragedies. In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan. Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled “open letter” on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

We do not take this decision lightly. Cloudflare is a network provider. In pursuit of our goal of helping build a better internet, we’ve considered it important to provide our security services broadly to make sure as many users as possible are secure, and thereby making cyberattacks less attractive — regardless of the content of those websites. Many of our customers run platforms of their own on top of our network. If our policies are more conservative than theirs it effectively undercuts their ability to run their services and set their own policies. We reluctantly tolerate content that we find reprehensible, but we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design. 8chan has crossed that line. It will therefore no longer be allowed to use our services.

What Will Happen Next

Unfortunately, we have seen this situation before and so we have a good sense of what will play out. Almost exactly two years ago we made the determination to kick another disgusting site off Cloudflare's network: the Daily Stormer. That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem.

I have little doubt we'll see the same happen with 8chan. While removing 8chan from our network takes heat off of us, it does nothing to address why hateful sites fester online. It does nothing to address why mass shootings occur. It does nothing to address why portions of the population feel so disenchanted they turn to hate. In taking this action we've solved our own problem, but we haven't solved the Internet's.

In the two years since the Daily Stormer what we have done to try and solve the Internet’s deeper problem is engage with law enforcement and civil society organizations to try and find solutions. Among other things, that resulted in us cooperating around monitoring potential hate sites on our network and notifying law enforcement when there was content that contained an indication of potential violence. We will continue to work within the legal process to share information when we can to hopefully prevent horrific acts of violence. We believe this is our responsibility and, given Cloudflare's scale and reach, we are hopeful we will continue to make progress toward solving the deeper problem.

Rule of Law

We continue to feel incredibly uncomfortable about playing the role of content arbiter and do not plan to exercise it often. Some have wrongly speculated this is due to some conception of the United States' First Amendment. That is incorrect. First, we are a private company and not bound by the First Amendment. Second, the vast majority of our customers, and more than 50% of our revenue, comes from outside the United States where the First Amendment and similarly libertarian freedom of speech protections do not apply. The only relevance of the First Amendment in this case and others is that it allows us to choose who we do and do not do business with; it does not obligate us to do business with everyone.

Instead our concern has centered around another much more universal idea: the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires policies be transparent and consistent. While it has been articulated as a framework for how governments ensure their legitimacy, we have used it as a touchstone when we think about our own policies.

We have been successful because we have a very effective technological solution that provides security, performance, and reliability in an affordable and easy-to-use way. As a result of that, a huge portion of the Internet now sits behind our network. 10% of the top million, 17% of the top 100,000, and 19% of the top 10,000 Internet properties use us today. 10% of the Fortune 1,000 are paying Cloudflare customers.

Cloudflare is not a government. While we've been successful as a company, that does not give us the political legitimacy to make determinations on what content is good and bad. Nor should it. Questions around content are real societal issues that need politically legitimate solutions. We will continue to engage with lawmakers around the world as they set the boundaries of what is acceptable in their countries through due process of law. And we will comply with those boundaries when and where they are set.

Europe, for example, has taken a lead in this area. As we've seen governments there attempt to address hate and terror content online, there is recognition that different obligations should be placed on companies that organize and promote content — like Facebook and YouTube — rather than those that are mere conduits for that content. Conduits, like Cloudflare, are not visible to users and therefore cannot be transparent and consistent about their policies.
The unresolved question is how should the law deal with platforms that ignore or actively thwart the Rule of Law? That's closer to the situation we have seen with the Daily Stormer and 8chan. They are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies. We and other technology companies need to work with policy makers in order to help them understand the problem and define these remedies. And, in some cases, it may mean moving enforcement mechanisms further down the technical stack.

Our Obligation

Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. At some level firing 8chan as a customer is easy. They are uniquely lawless and that lawlessness has contributed to multiple horrific tragedies. Enough is enough.

What's hard is defining the policy that we can enforce transparently and consistently going forward. We, and other technology companies like us that enable the great parts of the Internet, have an obligation to help propose solutions to deal with the parts we're not proud of. That's our obligation and we're committed to it.

Unfortunately the action we take today won’t fix hate online. It will almost certainly not even remove 8chan from the Internet. But it is the right thing to do. Hate online is a real issue. Here are some organizations that have active work to help address it:
Our whole Cloudflare team’s thoughts are with the families grieving in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio this evening.
 
Now that 8kun is up, I'm wondering if any of the other boards will migrate there or not.

/y2k/ migrated to Julay World and renamed itself /retro/ since the board now intends to include 90's nostalgia alongside the original 2000's nostalgia theme. Wouldn't be surprised if they migrated to 8kun, along with any other niche boards on Julay.

I hope the julay.world boards stay there. I still am not going to trust 8kun really.
 
And it's completely expected that the media whores in question will willingly use him and N33T GUY as a source despite both of them being knowingly connected to platforms that host CP and this not being anything remotely like a secret.

You are fake news. I'd grown bored of this thread but this mouthbreathing chucklehead needs to be addressed:

• The illegal content you and others keep blathering about was posted AND moderated before I even knew about the BlockChan project.
• I don't own the BlockChan project (this guy does: https://twitter.com/ind_imm). I simply hosted a node because I was interested in immutable speech experiments that utilized cryptography.
• I was the one who removed the 'Unmoderated Mode' from the BlockChan code thus removing any access to the moderated posts. Proof: https://github.com/milezzz/BlockChan/commit/7f02eb7f5aa905ead4a36b8b220ae051d5c50c59

You know these days it's really important to have your facts straight before parrotting bullshit or I'm afraid you sound exactly the same as these Qboomers who think Satanic lizards run the planet.
 
You are fake news. I'd grown bored of this thread but this mouthbreathing chucklehead needs to be addressed:

• The illegal content you and others keep blathering about was posted AND moderated before I even knew about the BlockChan project.
• I don't own the BlockChan project (this guy does: https://twitter.com/ind_imm). I simply hosted a node because I was interested in immutable speech experiments that utilized cryptography.
• I was the one who removed the 'Unmoderated Mode' from the BlockChan code thus removing any access to the moderated posts. Proof: https://github.com/milezzz/BlockChan/commit/7f02eb7f5aa905ead4a36b8b220ae051d5c50c59

You know these days it's really important to have your facts straight before parrotting bullshit or I'm afraid you sound exactly the same as these Qboomers who think Satanic lizards run the planet.

Nothing you said remotely contradicts what I said you stupid fuck.
 
Nothing you said remotely contradicts what I said you stupid fuck.

...Fair enough here's a better example chief.

Meanwhile, until he shut it down, N33T GUY himself was operating a blockchain-based service that openly hosted CP.

It's not down - it was down for a few hours while I removed the ability to see moderated content. And WTF "openly hosted" ? Where's the /cutebois board then? Oh wait no porn boards at all? First of all dipshit, IPFS hosts all media. We actually alerted them to the upload but they have no way to remove it and didn't even respond. Secondly, some unknown asshole uploaded the content and it was moderated. Maybe it was you. Clearly nobody "openly hosted" that material as the about page states what we moderate and CP is number 1 on the list. Again, it all happened before I came along but keep on trying to connect the dots Sherlock. Your IQ is leaking.

You know from my experience, the funny thing about those guys yelling the loudest that everyone is a pedophile...They're almost always the actual pedophiles. This has been proven again and again.
 
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You are fake news. I'd grown bored of this thread but this mouthbreathing chucklehead needs to be addressed:

• The illegal content you and others keep blathering about was posted AND moderated before I even knew about the BlockChan project.
• I don't own the BlockChan project (this guy does: https://twitter.com/ind_imm). I simply hosted a node because I was interested in immutable speech experiments that utilized cryptography.
• I was the one who removed the 'Unmoderated Mode' from the BlockChan code thus removing any access to the moderated posts. Proof: https://github.com/milezzz/BlockChan/commit/7f02eb7f5aa905ead4a36b8b220ae051d5c50c59

You know these days it's really important to have your facts straight before parrotting bullshit or I'm afraid you sound exactly the same as these Qboomers who think Satanic lizards run the planet.

According to your own commit, you didn't remove "No Moderation" mode, you disabled a configuration setting and then noted that "No Moderation" mode was available if you download the client.

Moderation Mode is Forced. <br/><a href="https://github.com/milezzz/BlockChan" target="_blank">Download the client</a><br/> for No Moderation Mode.
 
According to your own commit, you didn't remove "No Moderation" mode, you disabled a configuration setting and then noted that "No Moderation" mode was available if you download the client.

Well maybe I should make it less obvious but that would defeat the proof of concept. One of the main points of the experiment is that speech cannot be moderated on a platform running on a blockchain. I mean it can, and we do it on our front end, but anyone can simply view the content with an XRP block explorer if they choose to. Other platforms like steemit work the same way.
 
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Well maybe I should make it less obvious but that would defeat the proof of concept. One of the main points of the experiment is that speech cannot be moderated on a platform running on a blockchain. I mean it can, and we do it on our front end, but anyone can simply view the content with an XRP block explorer if they choose to. Other platforms like steemit work the same way.

And yet, while implementing a platform like this, which inevitably is going to host illegal content in an unremovable way, you hypocritically attack another site for not censoring content you don't like. Your shit stinks and so do your excuses.
 
And yet, while implementing a platform like this, which inevitably is going to host illegal content in an unremovable way, you hypocritically attack another site for not censoring content you don't like. Your shit stinks and so do your excuses.

Oh yes the irony is not lost on me but you're missing the point (again). And no we didn't invent IPFS, but I'd imagine its got plenty of illegal content as anyone can upload essentially whatever they want unabated: https://globalupload.io

But again, it's a PoC, and while I don't know ind_imm's thought process, I think BC exists to illustrate a point. I'm certain you're going to see more and more projects making this point going forward. As for 8kun...all I personally did was suggest their providers KYC. It's hardly my fault nobody but shady Russians wanted to do business with Jimbo.
 
Oh yes the irony is not lost on me but you're missing the point (again). And no we didn't invent IPFS, but I'd imagine its got plenty of illegal content as anyone can upload essentially whatever they want unabated: https://globalupload.io

But again, it's a PoC, and while I don't know ind_imm's thought process, I think BC exists to illustrate a point. I'm certain you're going to see more and more projects making this point going forward. As for 8kun...all I personally did was suggest their providers KYC. It's hardly my fault nobody but shady Russians wanted to do business with Jimbo.

That has to be the smarmiest, most disingenuous shit imaginable. Yeah I'm sure you totally just wanted to provide helpful information to the hosts, not get them kicked off. How the fuck do you expect to be taken seriously talking such absolute rubbish?

I'd have a bit more respect if you just admitted you hate the guy and want to fuck up his shit for that reason alone.
 
I was likewise surprised at how difficult it was to create a fursona, or mascot, or furry character; whatever we want to call it. Obviously I had had exposure to the concept since I was very young, but never really was interested in making one, or in furry art in general. This changed when I decided I needed a new Twitter icon, but didn't want to just replace (´・ω・`) with a simple photo of myself. A friend of mine suggested a fursona, at first as a joke; but they are a furry, and soon we began seriously discussing the idea.

It appealed to me for a lot of reasons, but I also knew exactly what I was doing. Imageboard users, in general, hate furries. As an object of channer hate, it seemed only natural I take on more (harmless) attributes that draw their ire.

So we began our discussion. But I soon realized something fundamental about furries: the delta between the fursona and their true persona is very psychologically revealing. In many ways, we can say that the other side of the delta is an idealized body which their soul desires if it could have any body without work. Thus, you see many obese furries with muscular fursonas; they make little to no attempt to achieve such physique in reality, yet their idealized form has one.

My eyes are really green, but not as brightly as the mascot's, obviously. Truly, I found fursona creation vexing, if you want an autistic way to force introspection, perhaps give it a try! (Or just get some CBT.)

The species was chosen as I believe raccoons represent the ideal hackers of the world, finding their way around problems, finding their way into places that they're not supposed to be, and discovering things they're not supposed to know. They have high intelligence and dexterity, having hands, and are also somewhat sociable, but not to an extreme. Also, I found a funny meme of a raccoon sitting in a chair, so that pretty much sealed the deal.

Lastly the body type. Clearly it would be absurd for him to be very tall, but we could get away with a bit more height, so 4'1". And weight? Well, to make him very thin would make that an aspiration at some level, would it not? But that's not something I aspire to; in reality, being fat hides deformities and makes me look older; in the world of the raccoons, being fat means they live a well optimized live if you ask me. A thin raccoon probably isn't the smartest, the fat ones know all the tricks.

And that was it really. My friend advised me to go on FA and find someone with open commissions with an art style I liked; I did so and paid with Fiverr credits I got sent as a gift last year. Yes, they also draw some weird porn, but who in the world of furry art doesn't? That's where the big bucks are, is it not? So I can't fault the artist, can I?

The philosophy of fursonas is enough for several term papers, but I'll stop there. (I know my image for Hiroyuki is top cringe, I tried every other way I could think of of getting his attention, and as you all know, the respect of people like @HOMO FOR LIFE is not really important to me, so making such an image on the off chance it will work was well worth it.)

If you're going to go on mdma binges and write extensive screeds about bullshit you could atleast make it entertaining bullshit and not whatever the fuck this is
 
...Fair enough here's a better example chief.



It's not down - it was down for a few hours while I removed the ability to see moderated content. And WTF "openly hosted" ? Where's the /cutebois board then? Oh wait no porn boards at all? First of all dipshit, IPFS hosts all media. We actually alerted them to the upload but they have no way to remove it and didn't even respond. Secondly, some unknown asshole uploaded the content and it was moderated. Maybe it was you. Clearly nobody "openly hosted" that material as the about page states what we moderate and CP is number 1 on the list. Again, it all happened before I came along but keep on trying to connect the dots Sherlock. Your IQ is leaking.

You know from my experience, the funny thing about those guys yelling the loudest that everyone is a pedophile...They're almost always the actual pedophiles. This has been proven again and again.
The github page/website for blockchan is still down.
 
Well maybe I should make it less obvious but that would defeat the proof of concept. One of the main points of the experiment is that speech cannot be moderated on a platform running on a blockchain. I mean it can, and we do it on our front end, but anyone can simply view the content with an XRP block explorer if they choose to. Other platforms like steemit work the same way.
uhhhh, child sexual exploitation material is not "speech." It's kiddy porn. Also, why is it half the anti-Q tards are as obsessed with that larp as the Qtards themselves? Just saw you use the Trump line "you are fake news" on Twitter too btw

I also find it funny that with all the talk about how incompetent Jim and Codemonkey are... uh, at least if someone posts cp they can delete it lol. "Proof of concept." Eh, I'd call that an epic fail NEETguy. While you're crying over your keyboard, wanna explain why some nazis are ok, but the ones at 8chan need to go? Both you and cp (copypaste) idolize weev so evidently you have no problem with the Daily Stormer despite claiming that you're concerned about nazis on the net. neetguy.png
 
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