#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[A nameless trool]

That's pretty much everyone's marketing strategy in CG. Everyone markets to the insular little group built around Ethan and if they are lucky and get noticed he'll get your weird little book funded to show everyone that he's still got it.

I don't pay close enough attention to know for sure but do any hardcore CG creators market to anyone outside "the community" actively? I get the impression that the CG community doesn't see marketing outside "the movement" as a worthwhile endeavor. I wonder how much money has been left on the table shunning SJW Kickstarter for slightly less SJW Indiegogo since KS makes up a much bigger portion of the indie comics buying pool.

It's like starting a restaurant chain on Rhode Island and refusing to open stores outside the state after it catches on.

How many people are prawling KS looking for new comics to back? I believe way too few.
If they were doing tabletop games maybe there is an audience there, but for comics, I highly doubt it.

The logical progression is IGG a couple projects until you build a franchise, then make the third or fourth issue bofeorehand and IGG the printing, then start offering the next ones in your own site then, once there is some issues out look for direct market. YBZ, at this point, should not crowdfund anything, instead he should have been finishing books and selling them on a splatto eshop.
EVS is getting down that route, but he is too slow in delivering cyberfrog to get to the point where he can hit the schedule for direct market.

 

[Miniluv]

LOL What is so bad about this guy? I have never seen him, but boy have you guys piqued my interest.

He's not an evil guy, he just sits there like a wax effigy most of the time.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Yeah, but that doesn't keep his movies out of print and to my knowledge there hasn't been a major push to cancel Charlie Chaplin. The fact is that Chaplin still has a tremendous audience and the overlap with mainstream comic readers is probably not all that big. The audience for a Chaplin comic probably had more potential with classic film fans than it did mainstream comic fans and could have made more money if marketed properly to that audience instead of the Cyberfrog audience exclusively. From what I understand, she planned on selling the book in the gift shop of Chaplin's World, the museum dedicated to Charlie Chaplin, which doesn't seem to have been burned down or protested against.

The Chaplin estate doesn't hand out that license to just anyone and they understandably want to see it handled properly. Marketing the book solely through the platform of what is considered by the loudest elements of internet culture to be a right wing, anti-gay, racist movement probably wasn't a very smart move as it could have put the entire project in jeopardy. Turns out that even the internet SJW horde that watches CG drama like hawks didn't give enough of a shit about it to make a stink, luckily for Charlie's London.

I disagree. A big deal was made about it back when Robert Downey Jr played him in the biopic and not much has been heard about Chaplin since until this book. I'd be willing to bet just about anything that a huge uproar would've occured had a major publisher decided to put that comic out last year.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

What say you humble kiwis, is Micah capable of redemption?

On one hand, I always appreciate a resolve to knuckle down and make comics.

On the other hand:

It's Micah

Who wants to jump back into a gay little internet-drama club

Which is Comicsgate, which means almost certain failure for anyone without 'Van' in their name.

You cannot livestream for hours every day and remain relevant or entertaining.
Unless you are having assistants to do research for you and spend as much time engaging with stuff you talk about, there is no way in hell you won't end up running borestreams or hugboxes.

I'm not sure if this is a defence of comicsgate livestreams, or an agreement about why they're generally a shit idea.

is he doing the Boris Johnson technique of leadership where you gather the most worthless and unappealing dredges of society together in a vain attempt to make yourself look a lot more charismatic and talented then you actually are?

That's the line I'm sticking with.

I think the decision is justified. KS did their bit to make Zack feel unwelcome when he was starting his campaign (well the first of his in the "CG era"), and who says they won't just use the same jerk-around tactics in the future?

Things are tough all over. Null himself be able to tell you something about that.

I haven't looked at crowdfunders in a long, long time. Although since their komics kommissar has also been gone a long, long time, and with similarly woke-corporation Comixology hosting some unexpected things, who knows? It just might need a switch from declaring for CG in the hope of getting noticed by Daddy Ribbucks and loaned a part of his audience to dropping the label that lumps you in with alleged misogynists and gay-bashers.
Oh, it might also need CG zealots to unclench enough to let that stick slide out. Zacks shining comicsgate example looks a bit dim these days.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

On one hand, I always appreciate a resolve to knuckle down and make comics.

On the other hand:

It's Micah

Who wants to jump back into a gay little internet-drama club

Which is Comicsgate, which means almost certain failure for anyone without 'Van' in their name.



I'm not sure if this is a defence of comicsgate livestreams, or an agreement about why they're generally a shit idea.



That's the line I'm sticking with.



Things are tough all over. Null himself be able to tell you something about that.

I haven't looked at crowdfunders in a long, long time. Although since their komics kommissar has also been gone a long, long time, and with similarly woke-corporation Comixology hosting some unexpected things, who knows? It just might need a switch from declaring for CG in the hope of getting noticed by Daddy Ribbucks and loaned a part of his audience to dropping the label that lumps you in with alleged misogynists and gay-bashers.
Oh, it might also need CG zealots to unclench enough to let that stick slide out. Zacks shining comicsgate example looks a bit dim these days.

Micah looks very unhealthy. It's been a notable physical decline in just a few months. Compare a pic from 2020 to one from his stream yesterday.

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Who punched Micah in the nose?


This unrecognizable vid from last week is the one I was originally thinking of:

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

Hero's a sperg, but apparently, a dumb marketing scheme is a dumb marketing scheme.

 

[Newman's Own]

I think the decision is justified. KS did their bit to make Zack feel unwelcome when he was starting his campaign

Who seriously gives a shit about this anymore?

The reason Ethan promotes IGG and slags KS is because IGG gave him a sweet little exemption from rules concerning running multiple campaigns simultaneously. These exemptions extend to Zack and a few others in the inner circle but not the CG hoi polloi who exclude KickStarter to their own detriment out of misplaced loyalty to the CG heavy hitters who don't give a fuck about them.

Tim Lim's big jump in support since running his campaigns on KS first is a testament to the superior reach of the KS platform. CG faithful are only hurting themselves by refusing to use the most effective platform out of fealty to an autistic breakfast burrito scarfer in southern Texas who won't acknowledge them since he started sucking Mags Vagineo's dick in a lame attempt to make peace with the mainstream.

If it had anything to do with principles or not using SJW platforms all of CG would be boycotting Twitter, FaceBook and YouTube for that matter.

Boycotting KS over their hot take concerning Simple Zack in 2018 is beyond retarded.

 

[Miniluv]

I disagree. A big deal was made about it back when Robert Downey Jr played him in the biopic and not much has been heard about Chaplin since until this book. I'd be willing to bet just about anything that a huge uproar would've occured had a major publisher decided to put that comic out last year.

With respect, you're just wrong. Major book publishers have been churning out Chaplin books in the last 10 years, well after the 1992 Downey movie and nobody is demanding Penguin pull theirs off the shelves. He was a fascinating figure and people still love his work, despite his glaring moral failings.

Besides, I wasn't advocating that Charlie's try to publish or sell her book through Marvel or DC or any other mainstream comics publisher. They wouldn't touch it because it isn't capeshit. My whole point is that she was marketing to the wrong crowd.
Instead of promoting her book through press releases sent through channels like Turner Classic Movies or Criterion (both of which continue to promote Chaplin's films to this day) and other classic film forums in addition to her crowdfunding effort, she chose to market exclusively to an audience that overwhelmingly consumes superhero action stories and did absolutely zero promotion of this project in outlets that cater to an audience that would be more inclined to support it. Her "marketing" consisted entirely of superchatting her way on to Frog's streams and putting all of her eggs in the basket of a movement that had zero mainstream support and was derided constantly for being a haven for internet racists, incels, and homophobes.

I know this is difficult to believe, but CG has a much worse reputation than Charlie Chaplin.

 

[Newman's Own]

Micah looks very unhealthy. It's been a notable physical decline in just a few months. Compare a pic from 2020 to one from his stream yesterday.

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Who punched Micah in the nose?


This unrecognizable vid from last week is the one I was originally thinking of:

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I think hiding pictures that gross behind a spoiler might be appropriate.

I know this is difficult to believe, but CG has a much worse reputation than Charlie Chaplin.

DING!!!

 

[jspit2.0]

I think hiding pictures that gross behind a spoiler might be appropriate.



DING!!!

Micah's face is an unpleasant sight.

With respect, you're just wrong. Major book publishers have been churning out Chaplin books in the last 10 years, well after the 1992 Downey movie and nobody is demanding Penguin pull theirs off the shelves. He was a fascinating figure and people still love his work, despite his glaring moral failings.

Besides, I wasn't advocating that Charlie's try to publish or sell her book through Marvel or DC or any other mainstream comics publisher. They wouldn't touch it because it isn't capeshit. My whole point is that she was marketing to the wrong crowd.
Instead of promoting her book through press releases sent through channels like Turner Classic Movies or Criterion (both of which continue to promote Chaplin's films to this day) and other classic film forums in addition to her crowdfunding effort, she chose to market exclusively to an audience that overwhelmingly consumes superhero action stories and did absolutely zero promotion of this project in outlets that cater to an audience that would be more inclined to support it. Her "marketing" consisted entirely of superchatting her way on to Frog's streams and putting all of her eggs in the basket of a movement that had zero mainstream support and was derided constantly for being a haven for internet racists, incels, and homophobes.

I know this is difficult to believe, but CG has a much worse reputation than Charlie Chaplin.

You have to pierce their little bubble. Here's what really gets me. I think it did fine. It's a comic book. I don't know that it hurts anyone her doing it.

I'm still waiting for CG to start doing a Gina Carano bio comic. Whoever gets that ala Keanu's berserk comic will make bank.

 

[Miniluv]

You have to pierce their little bubble. Here's what really gets me. I think it did fine. It's a comic book. I don't know that it hurts anyone her doing it.

Yeah, it did exceptionally well. Especially for a first time creator marketing to consumers that aren't predisposed to buying stuff like biographies of silent movie stars. As much as I think she could have done a lot better if she'd at least attempted to put this in front of a more appropriate audience, I have to say she did the wrong thing the right way. If there's anyone that can sell a crowdfund, it's Ethan Van Sciver.

And I don't think it hurt anyone, only that she she potentially hurt her income by not marketing the book to the classic film nerds.

I'm still waiting for CG to start doing a Gina Carano bio comic. Whoever gets that ala Keanu's berserk comic will make bank.

If anybody decides to do a crowdfunded comic with a Carano-based action character, it will be absolutely huge. The same "mommy milkers, please crush me with your thighs" crowd that jerks it to Damegang will be all over it and then some.

 

[jspit2.0]

Yeah, it did exceptionally well. Especially for a first time creator marketing to consumers that aren't predisposed to buying stuff like biographies of silent movie stars. As much as I think she could have done a lot better if she'd at least attempted to put this in front of a more appropriate audience, I have to say she did the wrong thing the right way. If there's anyone that can sell a crowdfund, it's Ethan Van Sciver.

And I don't think it hurt anyone, only that she she potentially hurt her income by not marketing the book to the classic film nerds.


If anybody decides to do a crowdfunded comic with a Carano-based action character, it will be absolutely huge. The same "mommy milkers, pleaase crush me with your thighs" crowd that jerks it to Damegang will be all over it and then some.

Giant Gina Carano? Ha. Maybe a She-hulk knock off?

You might be right. Make it a cartoon with a toy and it'd be like printing money.

 

[Newman's Own]

Giant Gina Carano? Ha. Maybe a She-hulk knock off?

You might be right. Make it a cartoon with a toy and it'd be like printing money.

I think Gina might draw the line at having macrophilic jerk material with her face on it produced in her name.

 

[Mister Dongs]

I don't pay close enough attention to know for sure but do any hardcore CG creators market to anyone outside "the community" actively?

Frog would be the biggest example, going on programs like Eric July, Kurt Metzger, whatever toy channel will have him and, until the blowup with Az, the FNT paypig trough whenever possible.

Other than him? Well, "hardcore" is a subjective term but

Jon del Arroz has managed to build up enough of an independent following during his years of exile that he had one of the more successful campaigns of early 2021 with Deus Vult while 40 simultaneous campaigns were competing for the dollar of the "community". Same with Arachna creator Martti Kaupinnen, who had virtually zero Comicsgate promotion but still managed a $26K campaign for the cheesecake Spider-Woman titty comic by going where people are into that sort of thing.

Charlie's London has already been mentioned. Mandy Summers looks to be moving towards the the FNT/Midnight's Edge crew as human chum for simp superchats. Since their expulsion from Comicsgate, Warcampaign has tried to veer into tabletop gaming content with limited success. There's a few others like Don Chin, who tours the small indie comics youtube circuit for the people that remember his Adolescent Radioactive Back Belt Hamsters run in the late 80s, as well as Tzvi Lebetkin who does UK pop culture commentary. But overall all of these should be interpreted as exceptions to the general rule of "touring the community" that Newman's described. Oh, and Nasser tried moving into the "horror community" which, uh, yeah

https://mobile.twitter.com/FreddyInSpace/status/1407526601781387264

 

[Newman's Own]

Oh, and Nasser tried moving into the "horror community" which, uh, yeah

Why am I not surprised?

And it appears that when the horror community won't retweet him every time he demands it he screams "racism" (with zero to back it up) and plays the victim like the "anti-SJW culture warrior" everyone knew he could be.

Nasser should get his own thread.

https://twitter.com/userbits/status/1407896316617842690/photo/1

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

He's not an evil guy, he just sits there like a wax effigy most of the time.

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Charlie’s London’s other half would sit there silent and expressionless in her earlier streams, reminding me of that jealous, controlling husband who accompanies his wife to Starbucks without ordering anything for himself, just to make sure she doesn’t communicate with the male baristas.

I tuned in to one or two CL streams where her fiance was actually hosting in her stead. Seriously shit move on many levels; not least when you need to be the ever-present face of your channel’s eponymous comic book campaign, but that aside he has the personality of a lobotomy outpatient. Christ, he makes Adam fucking Post look like prime hotel-trashing era Keith Moon.

 

[Mecha]

I think Charlie's London just likes CG enough that it never occurred to her to promote anywhere else. She really truly believes in CG.

Whether that is good or bad, I dont know. It is kind of funny that someone with a product that could appeal outside of the usual CG offerings had almost no interest in doing so.

I think she remains the only historical biopic offering to come out of CG. No one has taken her lead and given us books on The Three Stooges, or Marx brothers. Or I dunno whoever is a notable historical figure in a time without color or audio in film. That should be a lucrative market right?

Also Credit to Frog for having a good panel on a livestream for once. Compared to Anna and Cecil just talking about whatever the fuck they want to, there's promo and at least 100 years of comic experience on this one.

FREE and UNITED COMICSGATE KINGS MONDAYS. 7/19/21

BACK THE NEW CYBERFROG ACTION FIGURES here! https://igg.me/at/FrogActionFigs/x/3778633#/Buy the new Dale Keown SALAMANDROID t-shirt! https://www.ebay.com/itm...

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Andy Smith, Aaron Lopresti, Dan Fraga, Mark Poulton, Graham Nolan, Fart Thibert, Billy Tucci, Jon Malin, Yanzi Lin

This is refreshing after the last couple of ShitStreams. It almost makes me want to buy a comic book. If only Dale Keown could make it to one of these.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Then Liam goes into Nasser. Liam ask how Nasser can still be in CG even with all the pedo things he has done. Malin then points out that they were just talking about people making up crazy stories about Liam, but Liam being Liam doesn't listen to Malin and continued on. Malin ask for examples of these pedo things Nasser has done. Liam says something about Nasser messaging 14 year old girls.

Didn't Liam brag about grooming ""mentoring"" a 12 year old girl over the internet?

Micah looks very unhealthy. It's been a notable physical decline in just a few months. Compare a pic from 2020 to one from his stream yesterday.

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Who punched Micah in the nose?

2020 is using fat girl angles and better lighting. The bandage looks like one of types that assist breathing, which Micah seems to have a problem with because he is so fucking FAT.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Nearly eight months after Frog's expulsion of Micah in the cataclysmic Oz Show #53,

Micah looks very unhealthy. It's been a notable physical decline in just a few months. Compare a pic from 2020 to one from his stream yesterday.

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Who punched Micah in the nose?


This unrecognizable vid from last week is the one I was originally thinking of:

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I thought he was black this whole time.

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

I’m really sorry to be an unfathomably lazy cunt, but I was extremely busy when the Az/EVS stuff happened. I’ve tried combing this thread and watching what videos I can stomach from the concerned grifting parties; some streams etc are now unavailable would appreciate cliff notes of what exactly went down after EVS essentially labelled Az a Buechler-made nobody.

I coincidentally first heard of Az when he interviewed EVS on the HvBF channel during Spring 2020. It was actually a fairly decent stream and was long before Az transmogrified into the insufferable cunt he is today.