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While I'm sure it didn't help that there was no sweet Frog promotion for Zack's campaign, I think it's got a lot more to do with Zack's audience just shrinking. We've talked about his questionable decisions and his late fulfillment eventually biting him in the ass and the performance of his last few campaigns seem to illustrate that. "Successful for Zack" once meant a $200k+ effort.

This probably should have been Zack's return to six-figure land. Instead, he merely doubled the take from his last, worst campaign while only bringing in 90 more backers. It's one thing for people to not be interested in his Theosophy crap, but for his return to books people used to support in much larger numbers to rake in less than $64k is kind of startling. And if we're to believe his claim that he spends $25k to make a single black and white comic, he made relatively little money on this.

He also seems very interested in the fact that the campaign brought in 860 backers in nine days. I take this to mean that the average Zacktard paypig has an irrational case of FOMO when it comes to Ya Boi's output, but I'm sure Richard will draw a different, more unlikely, and stupid conclusion.
It may registered to him that people only care about JB.

Meanwhile in a livestream from some time ago that "Zack has something big coming and he is far from finished" so at the moment, he may be happy to break even on ready books.
 
While I'm sure it didn't help that there was no sweet Frog promotion for Zack's campaign, I think it's got a lot more to do with Zack's audience just shrinking. We've talked about his questionable decisions and his late fulfillment eventually biting him in the ass and the performance of his last few campaigns seem to illustrate that. "Successful for Zack" once meant a $200k+ effort.

EVS did promote YBZ's new campaign around its launch, and I suspect his fans who cared about YBZ's projects bought in. He just didn't constantly sell it like he used to, which seems fair to me given I don't think YBZ actually talks to EVS or coordinates anything.

I don't have any evidence, but I think YBZ and EVS have been completely out of contact since not long after EVS offered to publish Jawbreakers and YBZ sort of agreed and then backed out. The extent of their relationship is EVS watching YBZ vids on his channel occasionally. YBZ isn't emotionally capable enough to maintain relationships.
 
EVS did promote YBZ's new campaign around its launch, and I suspect his fans who cared about YBZ's projects bought in. He just didn't constantly sell it like he used to, which seems fair to me given I don't think YBZ actually talks to EVS or coordinates anything.

I don't have any evidence, but I think YBZ and EVS have been completely out of contact since not long after EVS offered to publish Jawbreakers and YBZ sort of agreed and then backed out. The extent of their relationship is EVS watching YBZ vids on his channel occasionally. YBZ isn't emotionally capable enough to maintain relationships.

YBZ has even gone as far as to disrespect EVS by calling him a blowhard. He distances himself as much as possible from the ComicsGate brand and refused to come on EVS’s show even when he wanted EVS to do a favor for him A couple months ago.
 
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It may registered to him that people only care about JB.
Meanwhile in a livestream from some time ago that "Zack has something big coming and he is far from finished" so at the moment, he may be happy to break even on ready books.
It would be closer to the truth, but still kind of inaccurate. It's not that people only want him to stick to Jawbreakers. People obviously liked Impossible Stars and the Iron Sights books enough to support them to the tune of almost a quarter of a million dollars. People are willing to buy his work but he's stepped on his own dick by spending two years promoting shit nobody wants instead of fulfilling his late campaigns. That's to say nothing of his weird shifts in attitude about everything from customer service to using comics as a personal soapbox for whatever social/political bugaboo a writer has up his ass. Dropping the suit, deleting his old YT content, and talking to his backers like they're assholes have done more to harm his business than just not doing Jawbreakers books. Hell, Knife-Hand is a Jawbreakers book and that didn't get six figures. He's significantly damaged his brand and people are kind of tired of him.

The fact that he hasn't had a six-figure campaign in two years should have been a signal to him that the things he was doing weren't working. As I said before, whatever conclusions he's drawn about why it hasn't been working are almost certainly wrong.

EVS did promote YBZ's new campaign around its launch, and I suspect his fans who cared about YBZ's projects bought in. He just didn't constantly sell it like he used to, which seems fair to me given I don't think YBZ actually talks to EVS or coordinates anything.

I don't have any evidence, but I think YBZ and EVS have been completely out of contact since not long after EVS offered to publish Jawbreakers and YBZ sort of agreed and then backed out. The extent of their relationship is EVS watching YBZ vids on his channel occasionally. YBZ isn't emotionally capable enough to maintain relationships.
YBZ has even gone as far as to disrespect EVS by calling him a blowhard. He distances himself as much as possible from the ComicsGate brand and refused s to come on EVS’s show even when he wants EVS to do a favor for him A couple months ago.
Say what you will about Ethan, but he will absolutely help out his friends when they need it. EVS is largely responsible for making Zack a relatively wealthy man and Ethan has acknowledged Zack's role in showing him the crowdfunding ropes, so he doesn't mind helping him. The problem is that it became sort of a one way street. He wants Ethan's help but won't come on the show, even for a short segment. He agrees to come on and then he bails, which is rather awkward after your appearance has been announced more than once. He's done everything to embarrass Ethan short of publicly disavowing him (and CG as a whole). I'm fully convinced the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because Zack knows it would hurt his business so badly he'd probably never recover.

As for his emotional capability to maintain relationships, someone earlier in the thread pinpointed it as Zack being incapable of having normal friendships with civilians. If your friends in the military were willing to literally risk their lives for you, what kind of "friend" is someone who hasn't ever been in that situation? Most civilian relationships seem superficial or even fake with a mindset like that. Zack will always be a jarhead before anything else, for better or worse, and it colors his outlook on just about everything.
 
Happened to tune into the Friday grift show and happened to catch the right time that they bring up MechaRandom. I am too lazy to clip it out sorry, but it starts at 2:26:45 and goes till about 2:29:00.
They literally refuse to even say her name lol. Also, they claim 'they want to associate her with us, and we were never associated.' Really, that's a very interesting statement, considering all of you were definitely associated until you decided you weren't. For example, this video from a few years ago:
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Also in that video a Doomcock shoutout, another guy who has been unpersoned. Lets not forget Nerdrotic used to do a show with Doomcock every week (The Inquisition)
 
The fact that he hasn't had a six-figure campaign in two years should have been a signal to him that the things he was doing weren't working. As I said before, whatever conclusions he's drawn about why it hasn't been working are almost certainly wrong.
I think YBZ thinks that if he can collect five figures without any marketing, or six figures livestreaming and talking to people, five figures is a good deal. For all he continues to make videos, YBZ only talks about things in places people can't reply or contradict him. He needs a safe space, and EVS' channel is too risky. Who knows what people will say to/about him?

Say what you will about Ethan, but he will absolutely help out his friends when they need it. EVS is largely responsible for making Zack a relatively wealthy man and Ethan has acknowledged Zack's role in showing him the crowdfunding ropes, so he doesn't mind helping him. The problem is that it became sort of a one way street. He wants Ethan's help but won't come on the show, even for a short segment. He agrees to come on and then he bails, which is rather awkward after your appearance has been announced more than once. He's done everything to embarrass Ethan short of publicly disavowing him (and CG as a whole). I'm fully convinced the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because Zack knows it would hurt his business so badly he'd probably never recover.

As for his emotional capability to maintain relationships, someone earlier in the thread pinpointed it as Zack being incapable of having normal friendships with civilians. If your friends in the military were willing to literally risk their lives for you, what kind of "friend" is someone who hasn't ever been in that situation? Most civilian relationships seem superficial or even fake with a mindset like that. Zack will always be a jarhead before anything else, for better or worse, and it colors his outlook on just about everything.
I think you're right about all of the above except I don't think the whole 'civilians' thing is real except in YBZ's head. It's his internal excuse as to why he can't form and maintain relationships, and a way to excuse that deep character flaw and his actions that come from it that he knows is stupid but he can't resist. Plenty of marines are capable of forming friendships and relationships with non-military people - its YBZ who can't.

edit: mecharandom stuff

this person is not CG - they're fandom menace at best, and I don't even think that. The CG thread is full talk about non CG people. I don't think Mecharandom has ever had anything to do with CG except appearing on shows that CG people guested on as well.
 
Happened to tune into the Friday grift show and happened to catch the right time that they bring up MechaRandom. I am too lazy to clip it out sorry, but it starts at 2:26:45 and goes till about 2:29:00.
They literally refuse to even say her name lol. Also, they claim 'they want to associate her with us, and we were never associated.' Really, that's a very interesting statement, considering all of you were definitely associated until you decided you weren't. For example, this video from a few years ago:
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Also in that video a Doomcock shoutout, another guy who has been unpersoned. Lets not forget Nerdrotic used to do a show with Doomcock every week (The Inquisition)
Did Doomcock do something especially egregious or is he just shunned now for his dubiously-sourced "scoops" never coming true?
 
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I think you're right about all of the above except I don't think the whole 'civilians' thing is real except in YBZ's head. It's his internal excuse as to why he can't form and maintain relationships, and a way to excuse that deep character flaw and his actions that come from it that he knows is stupid but he can't resist. Plenty of marines are capable of forming friendships and relationships with non-military people - its YBZ who can't.
Yeah, I have no doubt it's something Zack uses as a shield for his own retarded behavior towards others. IIRC, he read an interview with Larry Hama in which Hama related that as a combat vet he found civilian friendships lacking when compared to the friendships he had with men who he'd been to combat with since those men put their lives on the line for him.

Considering Zack is a combat vet and puts Larry Hama's work on a completely unwarranted pedestal, it makes sense that it would be a great excuse to shit on his "friends" without having to expose his various personality flaws.
 
Did Doomcock do something especially egregious or is he just shunned now for his dubiously-sourced "scoops" never coming true?
I think it was Ryan Kinnel that called out Doomcock for his Years long prophecy of Kathleen Kennedy getting fired never coming true.

Must have been on Friday Night Tights, which DC was not invited to. If I remember correctly, RK did not mention DC by name and thus set off the overlord. Who promptly went public with his indignation, and drug Gary into the interpersonal Drama.

I believe RK did this to up his standing from Scrappy underdog, to a mainstay name in the FNT circle. DC was really upset and really public about it.

Hail Xanadoom. Doomcock is furious at the moment because of what happened on Friday Night Tights. I was about to start Friday Night Frolics, and I start getting reports that a certain little yapping bitch was ranting about me, calling anyone who watches my videos and believes in my reports "f-ing r-words" and basically questioning my integrity and calling me a liar.

And Gary said absolutely nothing. This man I've been friends with and partnered with for years allowed that disgusting rant to pass without comment.


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This kind of summed up the situation, but I have no idea what this link is other than the first result for "DoomCock Vs Ryan Kinnel" on google. And it seems to fit what I remember.

DC tried to frame it as RK going after DoomCock's fans.

This put Gary in an uncomfortable spot since he's very vocal about staying out of the drama, and is himself a retard. So DoomCock crying about it all over twitter and what looks like his Patreon probably forced Gary's hand in the matter.

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Gary, G+G they're full blown Consoomers. Their only bottom line is clicks, while pretending to "fight" a culture war. It's kind of funny to see these thumbnails together. And if you're curious Jeremy in walking back his "boycott" of the Kenobi series is pitching it as some kind of angry rant that was so epic all of his followers wanted him to walk it back so they could enjoy the salt. It totally wasn't because Kenobi is probably the most nostalgic Disney Star Wars project yet. He totally didn't just want his member berries.

Even Gary tweeted that he was watching the Kenobi series, but he at least wasn't paying for it. As if that means anything to his audience, or critics for that matter. The amount of toys on his wall is embarrassing enough, but that he's preaching some kind of answer to a culture war? While (not) giving money to people who hate him? It's almost poetic.

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https://archive.ph/WJ1VK

Oh how I wish this group of idiots had a thread.

For the sake of this thread however, I just want to point out how different this FanGroup of culture warriors is from ComicsGate.

Aside from the one idiot who showed up to the launch of Hunting Alice pitching his Star Wars Fan Film, that wasn't union backed, or properly licensed, there's no one actually making product in the TFM the same way CG is.

Both sides may agree to a sense of stop giving money to people who hate you, but G+G doesn't have an answer for entertainment. They are not producing the amount of Comics, or original IP and entertainment that CG is.

If one was passionate enough about CG they'd have more than enough reading material to completely avoid the Big Two output at this point. Comics made by people who believe in the same ideals as their audience. I doubt TFM will ever come close to making enough original entertainment (outside of livestreams) to say the same. They have to continue to consoom what Disney gives them, no matter how WOKE it is because fuck making your own shit, We've got Kenobi to watch.

All while selling a solution to "How to Beat Cancel Culture"

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I guess my point is, CG has a worthwhile point, end goal and product even if it's not always perfect. It looks really good compared to the awkward disingenuous "Culture War" line the creatively empty TFM is selling.
 
They technically do have a thread, just rarely ever gets posted to. And the OP needs to be completely redone.

I think they are a bunch of goofs but, I don’t think they do enough stupid stuff to really warrant a thread like that. To me they just aren’t interesting, all they do is rage against pop culture and tap dance around Sensitive subjects that would make them look bad, like MechaRandom and JustSomeGuy. To me, they are just as bad as the SJWs they claim to be better than when it comes to cancelling people. Although, I will say that the people they do cancel or give the Voldemort treatment to usually deserve it.
 
I think they are a bunch of goofs but, I don’t think they do enough stupid stuff to really warrant a thread like that. To me they just aren’t interesting, all they do is rage against pop culture and tap dance around Sensitive subjects that would make them look bad, like MechaRandom and JustSomeGuy. To me, they are just as bad as the SJWs they claim to be better than when it comes to cancelling people. Although, I will say that the people they do cancel or give the Voldemort treatment to usually deserve it.
Yea, I am not defending doomcock, mecha, Jessi Milestone, or any of those other clowns that got unpersoned. Mecha especially, total psycho that was visible even when she first appeared. Its just funny primarily because quite a few of these people are very similar. As much as Comicsgate is a clown show as well full of near-cows, at least they technically produce something (comics), even if they are late and don't come out for years. GnG and the FNT crew produce nothing at all, as stated many times they are the archetypical consoomer.
 
I think YBZ thinks that if he can collect five figures without any marketing, or six figures livestreaming and talking to people, five figures is a good deal. For all he continues to make videos, YBZ only talks about things in places people can't reply or contradict him. He needs a safe space, and EVS' channel is too risky. Who knows what people will say to/about him?

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Deep down Simple Zack knows that his "ideas" (better described as confirmation bias-cultivated sentiments) can't survive even basic examination from the outside world and so he has to keep them safe inside their own carefully protected space. Sort of like that kid on Seinfeld who was born without an immune system and needs to live inside a plastic bubble.

For all his complaining about "parasocial relationships", his real problem seems to be that they aren't one way enough. The parasocial relationship community customers unaffiliated participants in his community youtube whine industry page should only be allowed to say things that agree with he says. And that's really what this has been about all along in the mind of Richard C Meyer; that it's not fair that people like Vita Ayala or Leah Williams or G. Willow Wilson get to be immune from critique and just have their work published anyways, all while he can't have the same thing and instead has to court his audience instead of having it handed to him from a big megacorporation (like every other independent creator). It should be him in their position, flooding the public space with sub-mediocre hack work and his opinions while being free to ignore anything anyone says back, not them. It's just not fair.




Comicsgate Financial Report April-May 2022

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So far half way into 2022, Comicsgate appears to be shifting into a period of fiscal stability and incremental improvements compared to the huge boom-bust cycle between February to July 2021, where somewhere around 120 low-level creators launched projects at around the same time only to provoke a market crash in the micro-ecosystem that is CG. Funding raised in 2022 is slightly higher than at this point in time in 2021, which is notable when one takes into account Frog's near complete absence in 2022 due to not having launched a major campaign in a year and a half (as well as Meyer's complete implosion, but that's a footnote at this point). Adjusting for the removal of Frog and Zack, in 2021 CG made $1.27M. In 2022 CG has raised $1.9M, a overall growth of 49% within a year. Numbers comparable to the boom in comic publishing occurring everywhere except in Marvel/DC or CG.

I credit this mainly to the crop of creators who rose up or were brought in 2021 (Shane Davis, Graham Nolan, Billy Tucci, Aaron Lopresti, Charlie's London, uh, the DAMEGANG guy) who proved themselves to be much more reliable than the top earners of 2020, the fruits of CG's very counterintuitive purity testing policy (Frog, Cecil, Dan Fraga, RGE, Ya Boi Zack, Clint Stoker, among many others) who for the most failed to justify the millions in funding they received years in advance before delivering anything. If delivering anything at all.


Name​
Creator​
May Backers​
May Funds​
Total Backers​
Total Funds​
IRON SIGHTS 3 & IMPOSSIBLE STARS 2 Combo​
Richard Meyer​
646​
$45,000.00​
646​
$45,000.00​
SHI: SAKURA​
Billy Tucci​
450​
$35,550.00​
1402​
$138,000.00​
Reaper Destroyer​
Joe M Sonntag​
404​
$33,850.00​
404​
$33,850.00​
GEMSHOCK ISSUE #1​
Mandy Summers​
409​
$29,140.00​
980​
$66,665.00​
Charlie's London : From Walworth to Wartime​
Charlie's London​
202​
$18,056.61​
202​
$18,056.61​
KING CRYPTID #1 - 4​
Alterna Comics​
326​
$17,400.00​
326​
$17,400.00​
Hunt the Littlest Umbrella​
Umbrella Cuck​
219​
$17,300.00​
1834​
$146,100.00​
New ALL CAPS COMICS CYBERFROG Apparel!​
Ethan Van Sciver​
231​
$16,625.00​
231​
$16,625.00​
Overmind​
Jon del Arroz​
201​
$14,575.00​
201​
$14,575.00​
Clint Stoker's DRACULA​
Clint Stoker​
238​
$13,280.00​
238​
$13,280.00​
CG Vacation​
Phillip Diaz​
145​
$11,760.00​
145​
$11,760.00​
GIANT-SIZE TWO-FISTED MANLY TALES​
Graham Nolan​
59​
$10,390.00​
1312​
$123,245.00​
Riot Press at Mega Con 2022!!!! MAY 19-22​
PTP​
126​
$8,555.00​
126​
$8,555.00​
FIENDISH: Chapter 1: Demons​
Irene Strychalski​
258​
$8,550.00​
1351​
$53,400.00​
1st Wave CYBERFROG Action Figures!​
Frog​
136​
$8,000.00​
3642​
$608,000.00​
Sick Fox Studios UNLIMITED​
Sick Fox Studios​
128​
$6,655.00​
128​
$6,655.00​
Black Rhapsody Part 1​
Magic Gal Media​
158​
$6,500.00​
158​
$6,500.00​
Nosferatu by Narwhal​
Per Berg​
110​
$5,610.00​
901​
$46,110.00​

Richard C Meyer actually had the top spot for May for the first time since April 2021 and 499, although (as @Miniluv pointed out earlier) he had to to combine two properties that combined made $236,000 in 2020 to make the 63k needed to at least temporarily overtake his betters like Billy Tucci or Mandy Summers. In a video on May 24th, Meyer argued that his 9 day campaign with a 50k stretch goal was "a flex" to show the haters how much money he can raise with a minimum of effort. Is it a flex to make only 1/4th what you were making only two years ago due to staggering managerial incompetence, all while shouting into youtube how major corporations could turn it all around if only they listened to him? Zack seems to think so. Here's hoping the Simple One keeps the flexing up.

Other than that, the more notable news would be the strong debut for penciller/longtime slumtown resident Joe M Sonntag made, who managed to land Frog's colorist Kyle Ritter (score) as well as Jon Malin's writer Mark Poulton (...less of a score) for his debut project Reaper/Destroyer. Irene Strychalski got a bump on her campaign closeout stream which got her night letters for her trouble. Clint Stoker made the classic error of trying to launch a meme book (Clint Stoker's DRACULA) while his crowdfund from 2020, FATL, remains unfulfilled. As a result he's gone from one of the top 20% of creators in CG to getting smoked by the Diaz Brothers' "CG Vacation", a pinup compilation of various CG female OCs. Truly a FAT L if ever there was one. Also for some reason people paid Patrick Thomas Parnell money to go to the Mega Con convention where he was memorably ordered to shut the fuck up by Yellowflash.
 
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drug Gary

I see what you did there.

Oh how I wish this group of idiots had a thread.

They technically do have a thread, just rarely ever gets posted to. And the OP needs to be completely redone.

Yeah, that. There's more quality TFM content posted here in the last day or so than posted there in weeks. "Gary has a stain on his chair", FFS

@Mister Dongs
"parasocial relationships"

That sounded like another dig at comicsgate.

I'm surprised that Clint Stoker has an unfulfilled book from almost two years ago. I thought he was one of the CGers with their heads screwed on more securely. Did he give any excuses?
 
He's done everything to embarrass Ethan short of publicly disavowing him (and CG as a whole). I'm fully convinced the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because Zack knows it would hurt his business so badly he'd probably never recover.

As for his emotional capability to maintain relationships, someone earlier in the thread pinpointed it as Zack being incapable of having normal friendships with civilians. If your friends in the military were willing to literally risk their lives for you, what kind of "friend" is someone who hasn't ever been in that situation? Most civilian relationships seem superficial or even fake with a mindset like that. Zack will always be a jarhead before anything else, for better or worse, and it colors his outlook on just about everything.
He has disavowed CG as a whole countless times. But I do get the impression he is on more of a friendly roasting relationship with EVS (with some annoyance on both sides) rather than a rift.

And he has said about friendships with civilians himself in a video about a Larry Hama interview.
In a way, he was on the same side with EVS during the culture war for comics, while EVS has this habit of making fwiends out of people who he works with (like with Gail Simone and a lot of the ex-CGers) which makes their relationship very disfunctional to say the least.
Also: Let's be honest, this is not the CG thread, but the "Friends, Former Friends and A-logs of EVS" so basically a CG/TFM thread.
 
He has disavowed CG as a whole countless times. But I do get the impression he is on more of a friendly roasting relationship with EVS (with some annoyance on both sides) rather than a rift.
The Zack/CG/Ethan thing is really strange to me.

He's never going to get rid of the CG association, even if he publicly cut all ties with Ethan. How does it benefit Zack to distance himself from Comicsgate? His business is a shadow of what it was just a couple of years ago and although there are other factors in play to explain that, I can't think his stance on CG has helped him in any real way. Refusing to promote his books on Ethan's channel has probably cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars and I can't figure why Zack thinks this is a good thing (other than the fact that he's simply a retard). Zack is the only guy Ethan would willingly promote who has "distanced" himself from CG. I just can't see Ethan doing that if Zack had made a public 100% disavowal of the CG movement and the people involved in it.

I know Zack really, really, really wants to be Brian Pulido but that is never going to happen. It just isn't. Pulido is far more experienced, far more business savvy, and far less retarded than Zack can ever hope to be and he has none of the baggage Zack is carrying.

If this were pro wrestling, it would be the point in the angle where the audience is waiting for Zack to turn heel (or face, depending on how you look at it) and deliver the chair shot to EVS, which would lead to a short feud culminating in a "loser leaves town" match, which Ethan will win decisively and Zack ends up bitterly signing autographs at the McAllen, Texas location of Half Price Books while refusing to answer questions about comics wrestling.
 
Even Gary tweeted that he was watching the Kenobi series, but he at least wasn't paying for it. As if that means anything to his audience, or critics for that matter. The amount of toys on his wall is embarrassing enough, but that he's preaching some kind of answer to a culture war? While (not) giving money to people who hate him? It's almost poetic.
The Kenobi thing pretty much exemplifies what TFM has become. I had intentionally avoided all the spoiler talk, woke worries and reviews - luckily none of that shit even appears in my recommendeds any more. Last week watched the first three episodes in a single sitting and thought it was pretty good all things considered. Not perfect but serviceable. Then I checked Youtube and was taken aback by the hyperbolic disaster reviews from the usual suspects. It's not that bad and its only the thrid episode for crying out loud. The black chick over-acts and isn't very good overall but that isn't so much a diversity-hire thing as much as a casting swing-and-miss.

Very predictable that the Star Wars hate machine had to be turned back up to 11 to re-engage whatever outrage grift remains from their audience.
 
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