#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Any chance of that fell apart because Uncle Pieman didn't want it too right wing.

Tim and Mark made Trump books, and Doug hated the gays.

Granted, I actually agree with EVS that Doug was retarded in wanting to turn CG into an anti-gay social movement (especially considering I now believe Doug's a fake-ass Christian anyways), but I still don't understand... all these years later... why Ethan had an absolute shitfit over Lim's Trump books.
I don't know why Doug is settling for comic book chump change and not trying for an indie videogame release. I think a platformer with his art would do gangbusters on Steam and Switch, as long as he could get past the hurdle of trannies trying to kick him off the stores.
 
I don't know why Doug is settling for comic book chump change and not trying for an indie videogame release. I think a platformer with his art would do gangbusters on Steam and Switch, as long as he could get past the hurdle of trannies trying to kick him off the stores.
He has said he's not interested in making any more books because there's no profit (and his youtube grift seems profitable). I can't see him making a video game, which is even more expensive to make, a ton more work and a lot riskier.
 
European Lore is like Ya Boi and the rest of these envious YouTube backstabbers. He gained a minor notoriety for a brief time by riding the popularity surge of anti Rings of Power videos created by bigger YouTube channels. Then after season one ended and his viewership declined, EL started turning on those more successful channels that helped grow his channel by calling them grifter frauds the same way Zack is now.
This is why I'm not a numbers guy. Sure I notice how high FNT's viewership is on their livestreams, but I'm not counting that like a goblin in Harry Potter. I view channels like Eric, Flash, ItsAGundam, Nedrotic, Terroriser, VanossGaming, etc. as what's possible. It's pointless geting uppity over numbers. There's 3BILLION confirmed users on Youtube. There is an audience for everyone. A guy made a sport out of rolling marbles down hotheels tracks supported by LEGOs and Kinex. There's room for European Lore's true passion... bitching.
 
Which Doug?
TenNapel.

He has said he's not interested in making any more books because there's no profit (and his youtube grift seems profitable).
Not to be overly pedantic, but I think you mean political streaming career. Last I checked, Doug is persona non grata on YouTube. Aside from guesting on a few shows (he was on the Kino Casino somewhat recently to shit on EVS and Balldoguard Rekieta). Correct me if I'm wrong.

I can't see him making a video game, which is even more expensive to make, a ton more work and a lot riskier.
Doug captured lightning in a bottle with Earthworm Jim. Then he sold the rights to Dave Perry and Shiny Entertainment for said video games. Lord knows who holds the rights now. Apparently the corporate acquisition paper trail from Shiny (long defunct) eventually leads to Amazon Games. I guess that's better than Electronic Arts, or Activision.

Anyways, my point is I don't really see him doing it again with a new IP (which he'd have to create) and I dunno if he's gonna be able to touch EWJ again.
 
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Doug captured lightning in a bottle with Earthworm Jim. Then he sold the rights to Dave Perry and Shiny Entertainment for said video games. Lord knows who holds the rights now. Apparently the corporate acquisition paper trail from Shiny (long defunct) eventually leads to Amazon Games. I guess that's better than Electronic Arts, or Activision.

Anyways, my point is I don't really see him doing it again with a new IP (which he'd have to create) and I dunno if he's gonna be able to touch EWJ again.
Yeah, I figured Shiny owned the rights, given that one of the Gods in Sacrifice was "James."
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(Another one I really loved, though it was never that popular.)
 
There was a brief chance years ago for comicsgate to be right wing Image if Van Sciver, Meyer, Tenapel, Miller, Lim, Ernst. etc had made it an actual publishing company and produced books. The only way they all outdid image is by fighting with each other even more and being even later with books. Image was notoriously late but todays crowdfunders ( Image bros Fraga & Liefeld included ) are setting new standards for that.
Indeed and considering the unreal amount of dicksucking Zack did for the Image founders, it almost feels on purpose. The whole idea of worshiping the artist because the cover is the first thing a reader sees is retarded. The cover is rarely drawn by the interior artist and good art does not retain readership if the story and characters suck. And yet, in the eyes of Zack, the artist is a god.

Any chance of that fell apart because Uncle Pieman didn't want it too right wing.

Tim and Mark made Trump books, and Doug hated the gays.

Granted, I actually agree with EVS that Doug was retarded in wanting to turn CG into an anti-gay social movement (especially considering I now believe Doug's a fake-ass Christian anyways), but I still don't understand... all these years later... why Ethan had an absolute shitfit over Lim's Trump books.
He could have asked them to make non-Trump offerings for the label or give them their own label for parodies of all kinds. As for Doug, if he could not be asked to not waste ink and paper on Chick Tracks and make centrist stuff that alienate no one (no one reasonable that is), then that is on him. We do not need to hear opinion pieces. Of course, EVS might have done more to push him away but I do not trust either 's word.

The Lim stuff was both a power play and a conflict on the ideal of what was wrong with modern comics. Frog bought into the Gamergate/fandom menace fallacy that if we pander to the center/left hard enough people won't call us bad words.

Tim Lim was a part of that initial Indie wave of grifters who buddied up to CG creators that got eclipsed by EVS. Lim resented that. At the time EVS had his own designs on coopting CG.

In GG, they really made a mistake. trying to find 'normie'. This mythical consoomer that loves troons and queers and is a Libshit, but also totally wants tiddys in vidya enough to risk getting called mean names. It failed. By trying to do that, they diluted themselves. Early comics gate and @FROG were obsessed with the 'normie' and not being pigeonholed as conservative on culture, while making countless grifter videos complaining about the culture. A CG Trump book was bad publicity because it was political and undermined the selling point that comics should be apolitical. I think they've walked that back, but that was the time and criticism.
One of the slogans the far-left has is "liberals get the bullet too". Imagine their opinion on the actual right wing. Pander to them, as CG, is pointless. Completely apolitical stories are impossible. At best, you can have stories with moderate views (both sides have a point etc) but what most stories did was either picking topics that united both sides (bankrobbers/terrorists = bad) or completely story centric problems (Doctor Bad Guy tries to create supersoldiers to take over the world). Another thing writers used to do was take a side but giving good justification for why they did (enviromental message but drawing examples for ecological catastrophies). Problem is that to the far-left, any story that does not praise everything they stand for while condemning all those who disagree even slightly is seen as being on the same level as Mein Kampf. You cannot write a story about these people that does not read as pro-far-left propaganda. If you do not include everything they want, you are Hitler.
 
Hope you get sued for tracing over other people's work, Zack.
Zack is too untalented and retarded to trace pictures, he'll just use shitty AI art instead.
If Zack had a fully-functioning brain, it might occur to him that because it's infinitely more costly and complicated to market a comic book rather than to simply slap anti-SJW marketing on spatulas, T-shirts, bumper stickers, pens, etc., that might be a clue that the people creating the comics might actually be going through all the trouble to produce comics, because they actually care about comics.
Zack has half a brain, he left the other half in Afghanistan.
Any chance of that fell apart because Uncle Pieman didn't want it too right wing.

Tim and Mark made Trump books, and Doug hated the gays.
Doug is wishy-washy on politics, did you see his appearance on Kino Casino?

"I've worked with trannies and gays because I wanted the best artists/game designers"

"I worked with Rebecca sugar and the Adventure Time guy. I encouraged them even!"

"I don't want to talk about Nick on drugs and I may have not fed my kids exactly when they were hungry and they might not have showered EVERYDAY so I can't judge him!"
 
This is why I'm not a numbers guy. Sure I notice how high FNT's viewership is on their livestreams, but I'm not counting that like a goblin in Harry Potter. I view channels like Eric, Flash, ItsAGundam, Nedrotic, Terroriser, VanossGaming, etc. as what's possible. It's pointless geting uppity over numbers. There's 3BILLION confirmed users on Youtube. There is an audience for everyone. A guy made a sport out of rolling marbles down hotheels tracks supported by LEGOs and Kinex. There's room for European Lore's true passion... bitching.
The guy is in academia and not surprisingly up his own ass. I'm sure he's got the same kind of massive ego as so many other members of elite institutions. YouTube is for the plebs who are beneath his vast intelligence, and these other channels are run by the riff raff less worthy and deserving than a genius like him and all that.
 
I don't know why Doug is settling for comic book chump change and not trying for an indie videogame release. I think a platformer with his art would do gangbusters on Steam and Switch, as long as he could get past the hurdle of trannies trying to kick him off the stores.
He was apparently part of the Earthworm Jim game that was going to be released on that bullshit Intellivision Amico, but they took his name off because they were getting heat for Doug being Doug. Personally think that was bullshit since that is his creation, but that's the times we leave in. There was also supposed to a Bigfoot Bill game too because he hit the stretchgoal for it, but I don't know what the fuck happened with that.

Not to be overly pedantic, but I think you mean political streaming career. Last I checked, Doug is persona non grata on YouTube. Aside from guesting on a few shows (he was on the Kino Casino somewhat recently to shit on EVS and Balldoguard Rekieta). Correct me if I'm wrong.
He did have a channel that was getting hundreds of thousands of views per video shilling for Trump and shitting on Democrats, but I think that got nuked since I don't see it in my subscriptions anymore. Now he's lucky to get anything past 15k.

Doug captured lightning in a bottle with Earthworm Jim. Then he sold the rights to Dave Perry and Shiny Entertainment for said video games. Lord knows who holds the rights now. Apparently the corporate acquisition paper trail from Shiny (long defunct) eventually leads to Amazon Games. I guess that's better than Electronic Arts, or Activision.
Doug did get the comic rights which was how he was able to do the Earthworm Jim campaigns and was part of the reason he bailed on CG. I've heard he lost the comic rights again due to political sperging, but haven't been able to confirm it.
 
i love that two fat retards Vito and Frog Tony (formerly Tony TGD as in Tony the Gamer Dad, wait a minute, there's someone willing to marry this fucking guy) are fighting. Frog Tony swapped his promising career as a unconventional game journalist (ahahahhaha) from the intellivision amico disaster. now, he is retard fighting with Vito with his shitty comics, while former amico simps like SmashJT gets a redemption arc and getting more views than ever with those gaming videos
 
Yeah, I figured Shiny owned the rights, given that one of the Gods in Sacrifice was "James."
Well, they did. They bought it from Doug in the first place (a deal he's claimed he came to regret). Like I say, there was a lot of corporate mergers since then, and Shiny as it's own thing is long defunct. I presume some corporate monolith owns it now

Basic bitch research suggests the chain of custody was Shiny -> Double Helix -> Amazon Games.

Of course, the EWJ rights specifically might have been spun off and sold to somebody else. I dunno. I just know for a fact Doug doesn't own it, and hasn't from almost immediately after the point he created EWJ.

As for Doug, if he could not be asked to not waste ink and paper on Chick Tracks and make centrist stuff that alienate no one (no one reasonable that is), then that is on him. We do not need to hear opinion pieces. Of course, EVS might have done more to push him away but I do not trust either 's word.
I wouldn't expect Doug to write "centrist stuff," nor would that be my expectation for anybody in CG. If they want to, that's fine, but it's not an expectation. I'm the guy that sees no problem with Lim's Thump books, and think it's dumb Ethan did. If that was driven by a desire to chase the "centrist market," that's dumb. I am pretty sure a lot of centrists voted for Trump.

In the end CG got branded as a right-wing movement anyways. So Ethan failed.

To be clear, I agree with Doug insofar as I wish corporate America would stop trying to ram LGBT shit down my throat. Especially the T.

What ultimately turned me off of Doug, at least initially, was he was less about rejecting pressure to include a particular message, and more about wanting CG to be an active combatant in the culture wars.

Ultimately, that's where I think CG lost the plot. And rather early, at that. They should have just made fucking comic books. The core grievance should have been about overbearing editorial control in mainstream comics that stifles creativity and punishes wrongthink. Lim's Thump books should have been welcome in CG because they wouldn't have been welcome anywhere else due to industry politics.

But anyways... old news... All of that is quaint compared to the utter madness you see before you now. Now it's all about some bizarre need to kneecap a black guy and his mediocre non-lefty comic that had the audacity to outsell FROG's mediocre non-lefty comic.

Doug is wishy-washy on politics, did you see his appearance on Kino Casino?
He's wishy-washy on more than politics. His morality is way too flexible for my tastes.
 
Doug is wishy-washy on politics, did you see his appearance on Kino Casino?

"I've worked with trannies and gays because I wanted the best artists/game designers"

"I worked with Rebecca sugar and the Adventure Time guy. I encouraged them even!"

"I don't want to talk about Nick on drugs and I may have not fed my kids exactly when they were hungry and they might not have showered EVERYDAY so I can't judge him!"

Doug is extremely right wing judging by his political stances.

Him working with gays and trannies in the industry doesn't mean anything, because you're not really given a choice most of the time. And him just wanting to not shit on Nick doesn't have anything to do with politics.
 
Not to be overly pedantic, but I think you mean political streaming career. Last I checked, Doug is persona non grata on YouTube. Aside from guesting on a few shows (he was on the Kino Casino somewhat recently to shit on EVS and Balldoguard Rekieta). Correct me if I'm wrong.
No, he's on youtube. He was advertising his channel on Kino Casino.
 
Doug is extremely right wing judging by his political stances.

Him working with gays and trannies in the industry doesn't mean anything, because you're not really given a choice most of the time. And him just wanting to not shit on Nick doesn't have anything to do with politics.
It wasn't that he worked with them, it's that HE WANTED TO BRING ATTENTION to the fact he worked with them. He's tried to appear as not extreme TO THE KINO CASINO AUDIENCE!
No, he's on youtube. He was advertising his channel on Kino Casino.
He made an appearance
 
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