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I can never stop emphasizing this, they scrapped nearly everything about Carol's original backstory. Now considering what a trash fire her comics have been since she became CM, maybe scrapping everything was a good idea. BUT they scrapped all the good part of her too and because they're so open about the movie's politics, you know exactly what you're gonna get. All the current cringe from CM's comics without the pesky background/history of the character that won you over in the first place.

The movie will do well, it's a fucking Marvel film, but I do suspect it will do poorly compared to the others. I might be wrong, Black Panther had a similarly obnoxious marketing and it did very well. The movie wasn't as good as the others, again for a Marvel film, but it made a shit ton of money despite it because of how fucking psychotic Black Twitter were over it.

The biggest difference’s between Black Panther and Captain Marvel is the audience had already been introduced to the Black Panther in Captain America Civil War. And he was great in that. Enough so that people wanted to see more of him. And the BP trailers very clearly showed off more of what everybody liked about h8. In Civil War. So BP was already in their comfort zone. Add to that that Black Panthers appeal as a “Black Character” did not conflict with, and was in fact simply a large subset of the already existing MCU fan base. Black Males like Capeshit movies. So they gave a movie guaranteed to appeal to an already entrenched customer group.

But Captain Marvel has a target audience problem. Yes their are female capeshit fans. My wife being a great example. But there aren’t a huge number of rad fem capeshit fans. The women that love Marvel movies are more often hooked by Robert Downey Junior, Chris Evans And Hemsworth, Benedict Cumberbach, etc. I know my wife looks at the Captain Marvel trailers and says bleah. So rather than build on an existing audience subset like BP, CM is trying to grab a new audience. A better audience a more progressive Flemish and inclusive audience. Wait? Where have I heard this before? Oh right every single endeavor that Got Woke And Went Broke. It’s Star Wars fans don’t need to be your audience for Star Wars movies, you can find a better audience! All over again.
 
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This dude's a real winner. That one big hit in the bottom left may have stuck, but most of his shit is low triple digits.
 
Don't forget that lovely story arc where she gets pregnant with her own son and becomes his lover. NO REALLY. I don't think that will ever be brought up again tho.

Edit: Man that issue was wild, been a long time since I've seen some classic comic book action/dialogue, you know outside of the weird shit mentioned above.

Uuuuuhhhh...wHAAaaaaaaaaaaAAT?
 
Uuuuuhhhh...wHAAaaaaaaaaaaAAT?
I overly simplified it.
Basically Ms.Marvel got kidnapped by some guy from Limbo. While kidnapped he spent his time woo’ing her and using machine to make her fall in love with him. It works and he impregnates her with himself using insert magic/science/energy here. Months later (in-Universe), out pops out a very fast growing baby, after Avengers Mansion is attacked by time displaced knights, soldiers, dinosaurs, etc... The dude explains that he was lonely in Limbo and wanted to escape from it, but being outside of Limbo causes time to collapse so he came up with the brilliant idea that if he’s born in (our) world the time collapse would be delayed long enough for him to make a machine to nullify it. And the lucky gal chosen was Carol because of how strong physically she was. The machine is broken due to a misunderstanding and he says all his backstory to Ms.Marvel, Hawkeye, etc... and she decides, “yeah, I want to be my own son’s lover. Nothing weird about that.” and goes back into Limbo with him.
And that’s how Marvel att decided to write her out of the Avengers. I’m looking forward to how they do it this time around.
 
I overly simplified it.
Basically Ms.Marvel got kidnapped by some guy from Limbo. While kidnapped he spent his time woo’ing her and using machine to make her fall in love with him. It works and he impregnates her with himself using insert magic/science/energy here. Months later (in-Universe) our pops out a very fast growing baby, after Avengers Mansion is attacked by time displaced knights, soldiers, dinosaurs, etc... The dude explains that he was lonely in Limbo and wanted to escape from it, but being outside of Limbo causes time to collapse so he came up with the brilliant idea that if he’s born in (our) world the time collapse would be delayed long enough for him to make a machine to nullify it. And the lucky gal chosen was Carol because of how strong physically she was. The machine is broken due to a misunderstanding and he says all his backstory to Ms.Marvel, Hawkeye, etc... and she decides, “yeah, I want to be my own son’s lover. Nothing weird about that.” and goes back into Limbo with him.
And that’s how Marvel att decided to write her out of the Avengers. I’m looking forward to how they do it this time around.

You do realize that even explaining this still makes it more incomprehensible right? I mean, kudos for taking the time to explain, but dear heavens, that's stupid.
 
You do realize that even explaining this still makes it more incomprehensible right? I mean, kudos for taking the time to explain, but dear heavens, that's stupid.
:story: No problem, I actually enjoyed myself re-reading it. It had a bunch of stuff I haven't seen in more than a decade. Classic costumes, capeshit action and dialogue, classic comic book art style and for as crazy as the story was, I didn't cringe once.
 
I overly simplified it.
Basically Ms.Marvel got kidnapped by some guy from Limbo. While kidnapped he spent his time woo’ing her and using machine to make her fall in love with him. It works and he impregnates her with himself using insert magic/science/energy here. Months later (in-Universe), out pops out a very fast growing baby, after Avengers Mansion is attacked by time displaced knights, soldiers, dinosaurs, etc... The dude explains that he was lonely in Limbo and wanted to escape from it, but being outside of Limbo causes time to collapse so he came up with the brilliant idea that if he’s born in (our) world the time collapse would be delayed long enough for him to make a machine to nullify it. And the lucky gal chosen was Carol because of how strong physically she was. The machine is broken due to a misunderstanding and he says all his backstory to Ms.Marvel, Hawkeye, etc... and she decides, “yeah, I want to be my own son’s lover. Nothing weird about that.” and goes back into Limbo with him.
And that’s how Marvel att decided to write her out of the Avengers. I’m looking forward to how they do it this time around.
You do realize that even explaining this still makes it more incomprehensible right? I mean, kudos for taking the time to explain, but dear heavens, that's stupid.
I remember that. It was so fucked up that when Chris Claremont got on the book he made it a point for Ms. Marvel to call the Avengers out on that nonsense in Avengers Annual #10 because they were disturbingly ok with it. I do not know what they were thinking with that or how it even got passed the editors or the CCA
 
I remember that. It was so fucked up that when Chris Claremont got on the book he made it a point for Ms. Marvel to call the Avengers out on that nonsense in Avengers Annual #10 because they were disturbingly ok with it. I do not know what they were thinking with that or how it even got passed the editors or the CCA
Hawkeye: "Are you fucking craz-"
Iron Man: "I wish you a happy life Ms.Marvel."
Hawkeye: "What are you doin-"
Iron Man: "Shut the hell up."
Hawkeye: "What?"
Thor: "Aye, lets go shall we?"
Hawkeye: "Why did you do that!? You can't honestly say letting Ms.Marvel go with that guy was a good thing?"
Iron Man: "Of course it's not a good thing."
Hawkeye: "Then why?"
Iron Man: "I don't know, I just had a feeling that in the future she would get my best friend killed, start illegaly detaining people, build a barrier (wall) around Earth and put me in a coma for a few months, just so that some niglet could replace me."
 
I remember that. It was so fucked up that when Chris Claremont got on the book he made it a point for Ms. Marvel to call the Avengers out on that nonsense in Avengers Annual #10 because they were disturbingly ok with it. I do not know what they were thinking with that or how it even got passed the editors or the CCA

Does anyone know if they were affected by the same mind control bullshit as she was?

Hawkeye: "Are you fucking craz-"
Iron Man: "I wish you a happy life Ms.Marvel."
Hawkeye: "What are you doin-"
Iron Man: "Shut the hell up."
Hawkeye: "What?"
Thor: "Aye, lets go shall we?"
Hawkeye: "Why did you do that!? You can't honestly say letting Ms.Marvel go with that guy was a good thing?"
Iron Man: "Of course it's not a good thing."
Hawkeye: "Then why?"
Iron Man: "I don't know, I just had a feeling that in the future she would get my best friend killed, start illegaly detaining people, build a barrier (wall) around Earth and put me in a coma for a few months, just so that some niglet could replace me."

Hawkeye: Ever consider you fucking her over like what you're doing now is why she'll do that in the future?
 
if the Russians are rigging Capt Marvel's rating score
than why did Wonder Woman do sell well from the start and still is. And with a foreign actress playing the main character, Wonder Woman
And why is Superman V Batman a garbage movie when the two main characters are straight white cis males
the same for Jusitce League and Solo

why even bother making sense out the Russian conspiracy. Its the most dumbest shit ever, and brought up from people with shit for brains.
 
I remember that. It was so fucked up that when Chris Claremont got on the book he made it a point for Ms. Marvel to call the Avengers out on that nonsense in Avengers Annual #10 because they were disturbingly ok with it. I do not know what they were thinking with that or how it even got passed the editors or the CCA
I read it, it was very good. The dialogue was great, you could feel how betrayed/hurt she was by the ordeal. All the characters actually showed incredible maturity, which unfortunately would be impossible to find in today's comics. I specially like how they (the Avengers) just straight up reflected and resolved themselves to improve instead of dividing themselves into factions, fighting among each other or break the team up. This doesn't happen anymore. I highly recommend reading it.

Does anyone know if they were affected by the same mind control bullshit as she was?
No they were not. they overlooked the part were it was mentioned she was nudged into falling in love with him through the use of a mind control machine and seriously thought Carol was sound of mind when she decided to go with Limbo guy. Again, I highly recommend reading it.

Hawkeye: Ever consider you fucking her over like what you're doing now is why she'll do that in the future?
Iron Man: "Well maybe, but Captain America told me to. He said something about there not being enough room for 2 Captains in the Avengers. I still don't know what he meant by that."
Iron Man: "He also gave me that look."
Hawkeye: "What look?"
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How much of a hate boner you have on someone to get to the point of actively trying sabotage a person's career or even life just because of you don't like that guy for saying mean stuff of twitter. I'm wouldn't be surprised if Zack have to do something like a C&D on her just so she will leave him alone.

May I direct you to the Meyer V. Waid thread?
 
I'm still mystified as to how they selected Brie Larson when she's practically a black hole of negative charisma in the trailers. Did they not do a screen test with her?
The released 'interrogation' scene really illustrates how bad she is. SLJ is a playful SLJ character, Larson is mumbley, 'stoic' and has awful comedic timing. In a 'Yass Kween, slay' movie previews are praising a 2nd/3rd character and a cat instead of the lead of the movie, that's a huge red flag to me.

Indiegogo dun goofed by having this section in their terms. I wonder if Nick told anyone in CG yet
He contacted Martina about it, but i think she eventually got her money.

It's going to funny if Vox's lawsuit manages to kill IGG or IGG changes t&c and kills any CG related books, similar to kickstarter.
 
If you ever saw the Star Trek TNG episode “The Child”, where Troi gets alien pregnant. Arguably one of the absolute worst Star Trek episodes ever. Even taking STD into account. Avengers 200 is the same exact story told worse.
And at least that episode nobody pretended this sort of thing was normal or sane.
 
if the Russians are rigging Capt Marvel's rating score
than why did Wonder Woman do sell well from the start and still is. And with a foreign actress playing the main character, Wonder Woman
And why is Superman V Batman a garbage movie when the two main characters are straight white cis males
the same for Jusitce League and Solo

why even bother making sense out the Russian conspiracy. Its the most dumbest shit ever, and brought up from people with shit for brains.

Because she was Jewish.

Kidding aside. WonderWoman was, ya know, a movie done fucking right? On top of that Gal Gadot can look like a fucking badass, has actual military experience (as she did her mandatory conscription) and showed an actual range of emotion.

That and Director Patty Jenkins stated very fucking clearly "No, this isn't a women's movie, it's a hero movie who happens to be a woman."

Meanwhile, we've got Brie Larsen looking like she's half comatose in every promotional photo and trailer so far seen. She's now saying she wants less of them wypipo mens around (thus isolating half her audience before the movie is even out). And seems to be gunning to never do this sort of movie again with the likely upcoming failure of the film and its general lack of wider promotion.

The film is out and it's nowhere to be seen on the BBC when Black Panther got a decent chunk of promotion and interesting sit down interviews with the stars of the cast.
 
What blows my mind is they went with the charachter universally hated by comics fandom, the literal embodiment of everything they hate, as the new tent pole of the future of the MCU. To the detriment of the existing heroes in the MCU people DO like. Black Widow is the real victim here. If they were so hell bent on having a Captain Marvel they could have made the MCU Black Widow her origin. It would have been an amazing story arc. Black Widow being distraught over what happened in Infinity War, feeling like she let her team down and wanting some actual power to do better this time decides to play with some Kree Artifact, gets blown back in time via rainbow bridge mumbo jumbo and gets turned into a Super soldier by the Kree she finds on the other end. But its just like what Russia did to her and she rebels etc etc, and ends up back in the proper timeline after a major adventure. Only now, she is not Black Widow anymore, she is Captain Marvel and has all these EARNED powers and a story arc people have followed and cared about.

You are welcome disney, I accept Check or Cash.
 
Uuuuuhhhh...wHAAaaaaaaaaaaAAT?

Carol was supposed to have been kidnapped and used as a womb by the Skrulls to create their own tentacle head living super computer leader, ala the Kree Supreme Intelligence. But another comic had done a similar story with a baby version of the Kree Supreme Intelligence, so Shooter veoted the storyline and forced the Avengers writers to reveal Kang's son Marcus (trapped in Limbo due to sorcerery) grabbed Carol, hypnotized her into having sex with him, so he could impregnate her with himself via witchcraft, then have her give birth to him on Earth to skirt the spell on him.

Unfortunately the spell fought back and time started breaking down, and Marcus (rapidly aging to adulthood) had to go back to Limbo to restore Earth to normal. Carol went with Marcus, because she still found him hot and the Avengers didn't do much to try and stop her.

This created a huge backlash, as fans didn't like that Carol ran off with her rapist. Also, Shooter used this to get rid of Carol's solo book (which had sold poorly, but had just hired X-Men writer Chris Claremont. Claremont was super pissed, not just for Carol running off with her rapist, but the fact that Shooter killed Carol's book, just as Claremont was planning to tie it into the X-Men book, via a major arc where Carol would infiltrate the Hellfire Club, along with introducing Mystique and her new Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Mystique and the Brotherhood got incorporated into the X-Men (though with some changes; Rogue became Mystique's adopted daughter while Nightcrawler Mystique's biological son),

The backlash made the early fan press scene and create enough bedlam, that Claremont was given the following year's Avengers Annual to "fix" it: granted, the solution made more problems (Claremont depowering Carol to prop up Rogue as a new big bad, which he promptly abandoned out of the blue in favor of making Rogue a good girl nearly three years later let alone the fact that Rogue's power stealing gimmick only permanently stole Carol's and not the rest of the Avengers was considered hackery). The ending of the issue, had Carol (her memories haphazardly restored by Xavier) be reunited with the Avengers, at which point Claremont "addressed Avengers #200 and Carol being raped. Claremont retconned that Carol was still under Marcus's mental control the entire time she was pregnant with him and after he gave birth. As such, when Carol left with Marcus, she was still his thrall and he effectively made her go with him against his will.

This leads to the final "twist" of sorts, to Claremont making a bad situation worse, as Claremont then promptly killed Marucs off off-page. The curse that kept him stuck in Limbo and forced him back there, killed him dead by accelerating his aging to the point he died and turned to dust. Once he was dead, Carol was freed from his mental control and was super super pissed off that the Avengers didn't once question if she was still Marcus's thrall when he took her away with him to Limbo. Which removed Marcus the Rapist as a future enemy for Carol to fight.

Busiek (who made Carol an alcoholic as a metaphor for the unresolved trauma of having her soul sucked out of her by Rogue, since by this point Rogue and Mystique were too popular to turn evil again so Carol could kill her for closure) quasi-addressed the issue again in his Avengers run. In his last storyline, he had the reveal that Kang kept cloning his son Marcus (and gave the latest clone, who had never met Carol before, his old Scarlet Centurion armor) and one of the clones tagged along in Kang's latest gambit to conquer Earth. Carol was disturbed to see Marcus again, let alone that she wanted to fuck him. Marcus eventually betrayed Kang to help Carol destroy a key component of Kang's scheme, then found out the entire caper was supposed to be Kang's last hurrah before turning his empire over to Marcus. Marcus however, being a daddy's boy, refused to let Kang (upon defeat) stay in prison and rescued him. At which point, Kang revealed that he knew Marcus betrayed him but was willing to forgive him so long as he took over Kang's empire and let his dad die in a blaze of glory. Kang stabbed his son to death and resumed control over his empire.
 
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