#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Teignmouth Electron]

Doug Ernst is also switching from critic to creator. As horrible as Linkara's comic was, at least he tried to make a comic and put his money where his mouth was. The vast majority of critics seem unwilling to take that step. Now I need to go throw-up because I praised that M&M chasing tub of lard.

The difference here is that Doug is a journalist who’s used to writing to a deadline and editing himself. He’s exceptional (in a good way).

 

[SpiralStars]

TBF that's largely thanks to shit like Scooby Doo and That 70s Show rehabilitating their image in pop culture.

Today when people think of hippies they think of Shaggy or Hyde/Leo.

In the actual 70s though hippies were largely seen the same as SJWs are now.

In fact this decade has some eerie parallels with the 60s/70s.

There were mulitiple aspects to what were called hippies. There were people just interested in having a good time (drugs, free love, no rules) and others liked condescending to the generations before by being alledgedly open minded and enlighted. Then you had the types that were raging counter-culture and they blended into outright marxists. The last group is the most like SJWs. They wanted to tear it all down and pave the way for a new order. These are the ones that hung on through the 70's and infected colleges.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

There were mulitiple aspects to what were called hippies. There were people just interested in having a good time (drugs, free love, no rules) and others liked condescending to the generations before by being alledgedly open minded and enlighted. Then you had the types that were raging counter-culture and they blended into outright marxists. The last group is the most like SJWs. They wanted to tear it all down and pave the way for a new order. These are the ones that hung on through the 70's and infected colleges.

They also gave us the Manson family.

 

[damian]

Decided to do a follow up on our friends over on ComicbookYeti, first our favorite asian hating white guy:

Welcome Matthew Litegi to the Infamous Alt-Right Nazi Hate Doxxxing Website Kiwi Farms!

He's doing well(?):

Wife: Megan Litegi

Womp womp:

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But enough about the happy couple that hates asians, let's move on to the other Yetis:

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Let's check on Crista...

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Oh boy, um... let's check on Good Boi Sam:

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He seems ok. Now let's check the Alexa Numbers.

WE DID IT MATT!

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I'm still waiting on my check for the PR help, but I won't rush you.

 

[LateNightComics]

This is 100% true. Cates is a piece of shit that treats his fans like garbage. Pretty sure the only reason this freak got into comics was to fuck trannies.
Ching Chong is right about this, Doyle affiliation is the first indicator, but Cates does an excellent job looking like a halfwit without fat boys help.

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[elkinbub]

ComicsGate already made it's point, which was that part of the reason the Big Two are collapsing is because of Get Woke culture. So if that's your definition of ComicsGate, it's dead. Entertaining as it is, there's no real reason for YouTube critics to point and rage at SJWs ruining Spider-Man.

Those Youtubers failed.

The Big Two isn't going to change, it's going to ride this shit down into the ground, and that's why we're finding a new way to produce, market and sell comics outside of the mainstream. Zack is one of the only OG ComicsGaters to realize this and make the transition.

Okay, then why is "Zack" still reviewing a lot of Marvel Comics and doing backflips whenever he can bring himself to give one a positive review?
He thinks they're improving.
He thinks Marvel talent actually listens to him.
He thinks Chip Zdarsky actually takes writing critiques from him and that Chip Zdarsky will "save Marvel".

I've seen this before from EVS. Is he unaware of his friendos' YouTube content? Yellow Flash recommends many Spider-Man comics. He also has recommended comics "edited" by Brevoort and Alanna Smith. Plenty of CG people are celebratory of Donnie Cates and Al Ewing.

None of these people are really getting the message, and the faux protesting isn't adding up to anything.

I agree that the trillionth YouTube video complaining about SJW pop culture doesn't really do much good, but in a way it's good for people just waking up to this crap to see those videos. Before Capn Cummings there was no real out-front critique of Marvel Comics. To see actual negative critiques, you'd have to dig deep on message boards, and posters who made any sort of substantive negative critiques were often banned (I know I was). For all their faults, the early CG YouTubers were important simply so that dissidents could see their own opinions in a relatively mainstream way. That's why comics pros and Marvel in particular seemed to fear CG at least at first, for awhile, because they were providing an outlet for dissidence. That's important.

EVS is right in that the Big Two aren't going to change. He should have told Zack that when he was doing MoveTheNeedle, which was totally barking up the wrong tree. Zack still hasn't gotten the message. He wants to support Marvel.

But on the other hand, all this talk of CG "making the transition" to become creators is complete malarky and a perfect example of EVS having hijacked the movement. Most CG people have no business making comics. They are minor talents at best. Ethan himself is a sizeable talent, but he doesn't even seem to like making comics anymore. He likes doing YouTube. His Patreon says the funds are to help him make videos criticizing pop culture, not to help him make comics. The comics are just an easy cash grab, and it's obvious.

Regardless, people who are talented enough and actually interested in making comics should make them. But they shouldn't be obnoxiously labeled as Comicsgate comics, whether on the cover in writing (as Vox Day wanted) or metaphorically (as Ethan wanted). The name of the movement itself was always a problem, and petty fighting over who and what "is" CG has been nothing but trouble. Almost everyone who doesn't have a monetary interest in the term realizes this by now.

 

[SpiralStars]

Okay, then why is "Zack" still reviewing a lot of Marvel Comics and doing backflips whenever he can bring himself to give one a positive review?
He thinks they're improving.
He thinks Marvel talent actually listens to him.
He thinks Chip Zdarsky actually takes writing critiques from him and that Chip Zdarsky will "save Marvel".

He literally got tired of reviewing crap. He still does but it has to unique.

]I've seen this before from EVS. Is he unaware of his friendos' YouTube content? Yellow Flash recommends many Spider-Man comics. He also has recommended comics "edited" by Brevoort and Alanna Smith. Plenty of CG people are celebratory of Donnie Cates and Al Ewing.

YF still likes some comics but ended up in the Weebwars because he was trying to switch to Anime/Manga he loves current comics so much.
Donnie Cates & CG - Yikes.

None of these people are really getting the message, and the faux protesting isn't adding up to anything.

I agree that the trillionth YouTube video complaining about SJW pop culture doesn't really do much good, but in a way it's good for people just waking up to this crap to see those videos. Before Capn Cummings there was no real out-front critique of Marvel Comics. To see actual negative critiques, you'd have to dig deep on message boards, and posters who made any sort of substantive negative critiques were often banned (I know I was). For all their faults, the early CG YouTubers were important simply so that dissidents could see their own opinions in a relatively mainstream way. That's why comics pros and Marvel in particular seemed to fear CG at least at first, for awhile, because they were providing an outlet for dissidence. That's important.

The OG CG'ers didn't last long enough to Sargon out. Really their were more ineffective and ignorable. Nobody felt the needed to engage a social media smear squad to hound them relentlessly into their personal lives for several months.

 

[LateNightComics]

He literally got tired of reviewing crap. He still does but it has to unique.


YF still likes some comics but ended up in the Weebwars because he was trying to switch to Anime/Manga he loves current comics so much.
Donnie Cates & CG - Yikes.

The OG CG'ers didn't last long enough to Sargon out. Really their were more ineffective and ignorable. Nobody felt the needed to engage a social media smear squad to hound them relentlessly into their personal lives for several months.

Once CG became the Sleazy E gay ops fan club most OG players got out. No one wanted to be affiliated with Ethans creepy gay ops, which apparently, according to him, was actually jews pretending to be centurion harassment nazis.

Anyway Sleazy wants someone to prove he is behind the gay ops, most likely because he structures his communications using shills. I have been contacted by numerous people claiming to be Van Sciver. His mental illness attracted the worst of the internet, mostly people who don't even read comics but enjoy internet hijinx.
Only when it costs Sleazy E money will he ever do something. The only thing he won't do it accept responsibility or apologize.
The best course of action is to find a Vampirella license holder to object to his use, and to refund any copies of cyberfrog. If you contact IGG he has fucked around so long you can complain to quality assurance and they can force a refund.
Sleazy needs to lose as much money as possible, it's the only way SJW's learn.
He went woke, time to go broke.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Can we talk about less dumb stuff like how WildCATS was cancelled/"put on hold" because Ramon Villalobos has been posting on Twitter about how much he hates ICE and Republicans instead of actually getting art done? I could only imagine how pissed Warren Ellis is in private since he isn't getting paid for his scripts now.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Can we talk about less dumb stuff like how WildCATS was cancelled/"put on hold" because Ramon Villalobos has been posting on Twitter about how much he hates ICE and Republicans instead of actually getting art done? I could only imagine how pissed Warren Ellis is in private since he isn't getting paid for his scripts now.

How was his output before Wildcats? Comparing his current twitter use to his history and not much has changed, looks like he just being a lazy fuck and people are using twitter as an excuse.

 

[FROG]

Okay, then why is "Zack" still reviewing a lot of Marvel Comics and doing backflips whenever he can bring himself to give one a positive review?
He thinks they're improving.
He thinks Marvel talent actually listens to him.
He thinks Chip Zdarsky actually takes writing critiques from him and that Chip Zdarsky will "save Marvel".

I've seen this before from EVS. Is he unaware of his friendos' YouTube content? Yellow Flash recommends many Spider-Man comics. He also has recommended comics "edited" by Brevoort and Alanna Smith. Plenty of CG people are celebratory of Donnie Cates and Al Ewing.

None of these people are really getting the message, and the faux protesting isn't adding up to anything.

I agree that the trillionth YouTube video complaining about SJW pop culture doesn't really do much good, but in a way it's good for people just waking up to this crap to see those videos. Before Capn Cummings there was no real out-front critique of Marvel Comics. To see actual negative critiques, you'd have to dig deep on message boards, and posters who made any sort of substantive negative critiques were often banned (I know I was). For all their faults, the early CG YouTubers were important simply so that dissidents could see their own opinions in a relatively mainstream way. That's why comics pros and Marvel in particular seemed to fear CG at least at first, for awhile, because they were providing an outlet for dissidence. That's important.

EVS is right in that the Big Two aren't going to change. He should have told Zack that when he was doing MoveTheNeedle, which was totally barking up the wrong tree. Zack still hasn't gotten the message. He wants to support Marvel.

But on the other hand, all this talk of CG "making the transition" to become creators is complete malarky and a perfect example of EVS having hijacked the movement. Most CG people have no business making comics. They are minor talents at best. Ethan himself is a sizeable talent, but he doesn't even seem to like making comics anymore. He likes doing YouTube. His Patreon says the funds are to help him make videos criticizing pop culture, not to help him make comics. The comics are just an easy cash grab, and it's obvious.

Regardless, people who are talented enough and actually interested in making comics should make them. But they shouldn't be obnoxiously labeled as Comicsgate comics, whether on the cover in writing (as Vox Day wanted) or metaphorically (as Ethan wanted). The name of the movement itself was always a problem, and petty fighting over who and what "is" CG has been nothing but trouble. Almost everyone who doesn't have a monetary interest in the term realizes this by now.

Zack reviews comics for money, and to keep his presence out there. I don't think he honestly thinks he's going to change things as a critic anymore, but he's making good entertainment for comic book fans while promoting himself to thousands of people who are going to hear about his next JawBreakers book.

BTW, mainstream comic pros DO listen to Zack. I've heard a few of them grumble about it. None would ever admit that they pay heed to his criticisms, but how could they not? He's usually right. They might not change their politically biased stories, but they do get embarrassed. When it comes to calling out cringe, he makes an impact. And he's very entertaining.

As for me, I like making comics, but I want to create more beautiful work. I don't want to rush for deadlines and I don't want to spend my entire life at my desk when I have a new family. I spent my 20s and 30's sitting on my ass hunched over drawing characters I don't own, when I could have been doing anything else. Comics are important, but they aren't more important than the people around you, and enjoying time with them.

So you kind of got it backwards. YouTube is an easy cash grab. It doesn't take long, it pays well, and it's also a lot of fun. Comics is a hard grind, and so I never want to produce something that doesn't reflect my best work, or something I don't care about, ever again. I want to devote myself to telling this CYBERFROG story until it's finished (maybe 7 or 8 more books) , and hire other people to tell these other stories I've got in mind. I'll be much happier doing it this way.

I hear all the criticisms about #ComicsGate. I see it differently, but I'm still listening.

 

[MechaWashington]

Cant say im supprised on how Comicgate ended up. i mean, look at how Gamergate ended up.

I guess the only thing I can share at this point is how, I overheard in my local comic book shop on the insane success of White Widow and how there was line to get the comic. it made me bad for missing it out the first issue, however I did get the second special holo issue which was okay, It just makes me think on how powerful the movement would've been without in fighting and twitter feuds.

 

[KingofNothing]

BTW, mainstream comic pros DO listen to Zack. I've heard a few of them grumble about it. None would ever admit that they pay heed to his criticisms, but how could they not? He's usually right. They might not change their politically biased stories, but they do get embarrassed. When it comes to calling out cringe, he makes an impact. And he's very entertaining.

Huh, I thought that was just Ya Boi being , but very cool if he's actually gotten pros to listen to him.

Also I'm thinking you should update the Indigogo's to show the Proof Copy's and Chromium covers. Not technically the books everyone is getting, but progress is progress and not everyone follows your twitter or youtube.

 

[northstar747]

Huh, I thought that was just Ya Boi being , but very cool if he's actually gotten pros to listen to him.

oh theres some alright. but he doesnt just screech like other "youtube personalities" he can keep his point focused, and honestly as an outsider who doesnt read comic books, I try to imagine a world where the pro's viewed D&C as just a outside critic and ether politely responded or ignored him no calling him a nazi or any of that shit.

Wade pulling that shit over his book is was just so god damn stupid.

 

[AriZona_LaD]

he's making good entertainment for comic book fans

That's all you have to do.

Entertaining as it is, there's no real reason for YouTube critics to point and rage at SJWs ruining Spider-Man.

Those Youtubers failed.

I still disagree with this statement. The fact that it is entertaining content for people is the reason to make it. Calling them failures is super uncool bro. YMS and MauLer aren't stopping bad movies from being made with their reviews. Does that make them failures? If your standard for success is set at "Saving the West" fine but that's dumb. If you don't save the MCU or Starwars from "going woke" are you a failure? Its a bunch of YouTube videos, who cares. It is what it is.

 

[LL 196]

That's all you have to do.


I still disagree with this statement. The fact that it is entertaining content for people is the reason to make it. Calling them failures is super uncool bro. YMS and MauLer aren't stopping bad movies from being made with their reviews. Does that make them failures? If your standard for success is set at "Saving the West" fine but that's dumb. If you don't save the MCU or Starwars from "going woke" are you a failure? Its a bunch of YouTube videos, who cares. It is what it is.

I agree. EVS used a poor turn of phrase. Nobody in their right mind should be buying from the Big 2 if they're pissed off at how they've been treated by the creators there. However SOMEBODY should still be reviewing some of those comics just to show they're awful. Ideally reviewers would be pirating the books for maximum profit, but the roasters are purist who don't believe in doing that stuff.

If the books are being roasted for entertainment and monetizing the failures of Marvel/DC then that's one thing. The critics are buying books and putting money back into the pockets of their enemies. Not only does that disincentivize change, they're funding the tools of their own harassment and denigration.

It took forever and a day but Ya Boi Zack finally saw the light, and isn't expecting change anymore. Anyone's buying the books honestly thinking it'll change the behavior of the industry are moronic cucks on top of being failures. Criticizing books wasn't even a speedbump to the SJW takeover taking place. Some of the critics literally rolled over and quit because the media hit-pieces called them buzzwordophobes.

The oft-repeated phrase "monetize your haters". Don't like the books? Don't buy them. Pirate them and keep doing reviews for fun and profit. The industry doesn't respect regular customers and certainly doesn't respect critics, so return the favor. Pirate their books and make money off reviewing those books; the ultimate disrespect.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

The attention whore was cheering the farms being down and making false accusations about Chloe committing suicide because of us.

We’re back, though, and Chloe killed herself because the medical industry, Brianna wu, her friends, her family, etc screwed her and left her to die.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Decided to do a follow up on our friends over on ComicbookYeti, first our favorite asian hating white guy:

He's doing well(?):
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Womp womp:

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Let's check on Crista...

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Oh boy, um... let's check on Good Boi Sam:

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He seems ok. Now let's check the Alexa Numbers.

WE DID IT MATT!
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I'm still waiting on my check for the PR help, but I won't rush you.

This appears to be bearing fruit in unexpected places.



Twitter thread
https://archive.li/2AmeK

I had never heard of the Comic Creators Club, but sure enough it exists:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ8_-5bbxgC6NgkDOcxRWUfOAV5Q6TroQ

Nothing of value was lost.

 

[LL 196]

The attention whore was cheering the farms being down and making false accusations about Chloe committing suicide because of us.

We’re back, though, and Chloe killed herself because the medical industry, Brianna wu, her friends, her family, etc screwed her and left her to die.

Although that's exactly what happened with Chloe, you can't just say "THE ATTENTION WHORE." There are just so many between GG and CG.

 

[damian]

This appears to be bearing fruit in unexpected places.

Twitter thread
https://archive.li/2AmeK

I had never heard of the Comic Creators Club, but sure enough it exists:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ8_-5bbxgC6NgkDOcxRWUfOAV5Q6TroQ

Nothing of value was lost.

Who are these people and why should they fear getting doxed? Are they exceptional?