#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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FROG said:
It's an anti-CG thing. "More and cheaper" is how they evaluate the output of a creator.

"JDA did ten issues of FLYING SPARKS in the time it took you to do one issue of CYBERFROG."

"Ed Wood wrote 25 novels in the time it took JDA to write ten comic books, though."

"Are you calling JDA a pervert?"

Old CYBERFROG books are primitive. I like the last two books before I went to DC, but the rest of it is extremely rough, and nothing I wanted to republish.

But people wanted it anyway. So we're doing it, in the nicest format possible, with everything I can find to cram in there. More and cheaper.
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Putting that out is the right thing to do if there's demand (and there definitely is). People like to see early stuff to see how creators developed.
 
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Newman's Lovechild said:
Unless I'm spectacularly misreading you, "don't criticise this film unless it directly affected your child" doesn't sound a million miles outside the zipcode.
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It is the lack of awareness and ZFG by people until now they're parents who now GAF that yes there are monsters lurking everywhere. Which is a story old as time for humans and animals.
 
Newman's Lovechild said:
Again, when did the worth of I use the term extremely loosely literature start to be judged by weight per dollar?
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In all honesty it doesn't, the final judgment should be decided on whether or not the book is good or not. Price/page is just one factor an informed consumer can use to decide whether or not the book is worth backing, since at the time of backing it hasn't been released yet and no reviews are available. Using price/page can only help figure out whether or not the creator is being competitive price wise when compared to the mainstream industry, other creator's campaigns or previous installments of their respective series eg: Zack's campaigns getting worse for backers each campaign.

The mainstream industry offers a 24 page comic at roughly $4, which gives us a price/page of 0.16 for floppies. Using this benchmark we can figure out if the floppies offered on Indiegogo are worth getting, for example the Ballad of No which is $15 for 24 pages comes to 0.63 per page. Although graphic novels vary, the Marvel Star Wars Epic Collection graphic novels offer a 396 page GN for $22, which comes to 0.06 a page.

Price/page is flawed since it doesn't include shipping, bonus stretch goals not related to page counts or whether or not the book is good or not and should only be used as one factor to decide whether or not an offering is competitively priced.

Ultimately it doesn't matter whether the price/page is $1 a page or 1 cent per page, if the book sucks, buyers remorse will kick in.
FROG said:
It's an anti-CG thing. "More and cheaper" is how they evaluate the output of a creator.
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I've never heard anti-CG use price per page as a talking point, it's normally more far out stuff like:

"Don't buy from Ethan, Zoe Quinn is his cousin."

"Comicsgaters are running a ponzi scheme and are being investigated by the FBI."

"Cecil lives in Ethan's basement after his sister kicked him out of home for sexually assaulting a pizza boy and running around the neighborhood wearing a mask, howling at the moon."
 
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NasserRabadi13 said:
It's 1990s. 1990's with an apostrophe means the 1990s own something. 1990s with no apostrophe refers to the decade.
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I understand the possessive reasoning, it just doesn't look right. There are exceptions to that "rule". Its versus it's for example. This should be one.

Even adhering to the possessive rule the argument can be made that something being "90's" does mean that it belongs to or is from the 90's.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
That shit doesn't look right. It's been the "1990's" my whole life, when did that rule change?
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"Since when has it been the Berenstain Bears?"

SaidNoOneEver said:
I understand the possessive reasoning, it just doesn't look right. There are exceptions to that "rule". Its versus it's for example. This should be one.
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This is not a case of pluralizing, though.

SaidNoOneEver said:
Even adhering to the possessive rule the argument can be made that something being "90's" does mean that it belongs to or is from the 90's.
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If you want to say something belongs to a plural noun, you put the apostrophe outside the S, like "That's the Johnsons' house" or "these are the kids' toys." So if we wanted to say something belonged to the '90s, we'd use "it is the '90s' thing," as odd as that looks. But in practice, we don't really do that; in a sentence like "I like 1990s frog comics," or "I like '90s frog comics," the "1990s/'90s" serves as an adjective, not a noun, so there's no possessive apostrophe (or pluralizing apostrophe, either, since there's no such thing as a pluralizing apostrophe).
 
Smug Freiza said:
In all honesty it doesn't, the final judgement should be decided on whether or not the book is good or not. Price/page is just one factor an informed consumer can use to decide whether or not the book is worth backing, since at the time of backing it hasn't been released yet and no reviews are available. Using price/page can only help figure out whether or not the creator is being competitive price wise when compared to the mainstream industry, other creator's campaigns or previous installments of their respective series eg: Zack's campaigns getting worse for backers each campaign.

The mainstream industry offers a 24 page comic at roughly $4, which gives us a price/page of 0.16 for floppies. Using this benchmark we can figure out if the floppies offered on Indiegogo are worth getting, for example the Ballad of No which is $15 for 24 pages comes to 0.63 per page. Although graphic novels vary, the Marvel Star Wars Epic Collection graphic novels offer a 396 page GN for $22, which comes to 0.06 a page.

Price/page is flawed since it doesn't include shipping, bonus stretch goals not related to page counts or whether or not the book is good or not and should only be used as one factor to decide whether or not an offering is competitively priced.

Ultimately it doesn't matter whether the price/page is $1 a page or 1 cent per page, if the book sucks, buyers remorse will kick in.

I've never heard anti-CG use price per page as a talking point, it's normally more far out stuff like:

"Don't buy from Ethan, Zoe Quinn is his cousin."

"Comicsgaters are running a ponzi scheme and are being investigated by the FBI."

"Cecil lives in Ethan's basement after his sister kicked him out of home for sexually assaulting a pizza boy and running around the neighborhood wearing a mask, howling at the moon."
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I would add that of course maximizing the amount a consumer receives for their dollar is very much a selling point. Frog mistakes volume of work for the amount of work that the dollar purchases.

You can buy Three Jokers, a prestige comic from DC that is as good as CF, Jawbreakers, or Graveyard Shift at less than a third of the price. It's not volume, its how far your dollar goes.

Brother Maynard said:
I'm confused. I thought CG wasn't allowed to talk politics, because you know, divisiveness and stuff?
Someone please direct me to the rule book.
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and....its gone
 
Frog's audience has stagnated for years. He's milking the same paypigs from the same pool of money and that train is slowly grinding to a halt.

Here is a comparison between twitter followers for two legendary comic book artists. Look at the follower count.
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Ethan has been on twitter for 10 years and Chris has had his account for 18 months.
 
Least Concern said:
"Since when has it been the Berenstain Bears?"


This is not a case of pluralizing, though.


If you want to say something belongs to a plural noun, you put the apostrophe outside the S, like "That's the Johnsons' house" or "these are the kids' toys." So if we wanted to say something belonged to the '90s, we'd use "it is the '90s' thing," as odd as that looks. But in practice, we don't really do that; in a sentence like "I like 1990s frog comics," or "I like '90s frog comics," the "1990s/'90s" serves as an adjective, not a noun, so there's no possessive apostrophe (or pluralizing apostrophe, either, since there's no such thing as a pluralizing apostrophe).
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So its 90s' then. Got it.


jspit said:
and....its gone
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Youtube yanked the stream because of a fight video he showed.


Analog Devolved said:
Frog's audience has stagnated for years. He's milking the same paypigs from the same pool of money and that train is slowly grinding to a halt.
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$100k in 8 minutes and $300k in two days is slowly grinding to a halt? I wish my bank account was slowly grinding to a halt like that.
 
Least Concern said:
It's "'90s," @FROG. You do not use apostrophe's when you pluralize word's and the 1990s are no different. What you're doing is abbreviating the numbers at the beginning; hence the apostrophe goes at the front.

Not sure why that shit triggers me more than other typos, but it does.
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I already got an earful of that. Fixed it.

Analog Devolved said:
Frog's audience has stagnated for years. He's milking the same paypigs from the same pool of money and that train is slowly grinding to a halt.

Here is a comparison between twitter followers for two legendary comic book artists. Look at the follower count.
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Ethan has been on twitter for 10 years and Chris has had his account for 18 months.
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Isn't Chris Chan a well-known internet weirdo? Wouldn't people be anxious to follow him for his antics, rather than because they respected his art?

Maybe my audience is stagnating. I dunno. My twitter is growing slowly, while my Youtube followers are in decline.

But my livestreams still get the same number of viewers, and my comics are selling better and better, so I haven't seen a financial decline at all. I think it's more likely a combination
of YouTube throttling my channel and people who were only subscribed for Star Wars content unsubscribing now that I'm almost entirely CYBERFROG and ComicsGate.

I got a nice message from a popular conservative commentator who told me that I've become a magnificent radio host in the style of Howard Stern, and should branch out of comics (which nobody cares about) into real world topics and politics. Maybe eventually.

Right now, I'm focused on my comics. CYBERFROG: WARTS AND ALL just passed $300,000 in it's 3rd day, and we've gotten word from a big retail chain that they're interested in carrying product.

These aren't "paypigs" any more than Marvel's customers are paypigs. They seem to be interested in collecting CyberFrog stuff.

I could be wrong. Time will tell.
 

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FROG said:
I already got an earful of that. Fixed it.



Isn't Chris Chan a well-known internet weirdo? Wouldn't people be anxious to follow him for his antics, rather than because they respected his art?

Maybe my audience is stagnating. I dunno. My twitter is growing slowly, while my Youtube followers are in decline.

But my livestreams still get the same number of viewers, and my comics are selling better and better, so I haven't seen a financial decline at all. I think it's more likely a combination
of YouTube throttling my channel and people who were only subscribed for Star Wars content unsubscribing now that I'm almost entirely CYBERFROG and ComicsGate.

I got a nice message from a popular conservative commentator who told me that I've become a magnificent radio host in the style of Howard Stern, and should branch out of comics (which nobody cares about) into real world topics and politics. Maybe eventually.

Right now, I'm focused on my comics. CYBERFROG: WARTS AND ALL just passed $300,000 in it's 3rd day, and we've gotten word from a big retail chain that they're interested in carrying product.

These aren't "paypigs" any more than Marvel's customers are paypigs. They seem to be interested in collecting CyberFrog stuff.

I could be wrong. Time will tell.
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The drunk Cecil who constantly interrupts bit has grown very old. Your audience dropped by about 15%-20% last night when that began in earnest - I even had enough and turned it off. Your other guests only put up with it because they're waiting for you to peddle their stuff. I've lost count of the interesting stories and points being made by others that he cuts off and then never get finished.
 
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FROG said:
I already got an earful of that. Fixed it.



Isn't Chris Chan a well-known internet weirdo? Wouldn't people be anxious to follow him for his antics, rather than because they respected his art?

Maybe my audience is stagnating. I dunno. My twitter is growing slowly, while my Youtube followers are in decline.

But my livestreams still get the same number of viewers, and my comics are selling better and better, so I haven't seen a financial decline at all. I think it's more likely a combination
of YouTube throttling my channel and people who were only subscribed for Star Wars content unsubscribing now that I'm almost entirely CYBERFROG and ComicsGate.

I got a nice message from a popular conservative commentator who told me that I've become a magnificent radio host in the style of Howard Stern, and should branch out of comics (which nobody cares about) into real world topics and politics. Maybe eventually.

Right now, I'm focused on my comics. CYBERFROG: WARTS AND ALL just passed $300,000 in it's 3rd day, and we've gotten word from a big retail chain that they're interested in carrying product.

These aren't "paypigs" any more than Marvel's customers are paypigs. They seem to be interested in collecting CyberFrog stuff.

I could be wrong. Time will tell.
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What is throttling your channel is your constant livestreams.
Do 10 min videos every day with anti-SJW topics for a month and you will see some growth. Personally, I am too bored to go through your livestreams so I won't subscribe.
 
FROG said:
I already got an earful of that. Fixed it.



Isn't Chris Chan a well-known internet weirdo? Wouldn't people be anxious to follow him for his antics, rather than because they respected his art?

Maybe my audience is stagnating. I dunno. My twitter is growing slowly, while my Youtube followers are in decline.

But my livestreams still get the same number of viewers, and my comics are selling better and better, so I haven't seen a financial decline at all. I think it's more likely a combination
of YouTube throttling my channel and people who were only subscribed for Star Wars content unsubscribing now that I'm almost entirely CYBERFROG and ComicsGate.

I got a nice message from a popular conservative commentator who told me that I've become a magnificent radio host in the style of Howard Stern, and should branch out of comics (which nobody cares about) into real world topics and politics. Maybe eventually.

Right now, I'm focused on my comics. CYBERFROG: WARTS AND ALL just passed $300,000 in it's 3rd day, and we've gotten word from a big retail chain that they're interested in carrying product.

These aren't "paypigs" any more than Marvel's customers are paypigs. They seem to be interested in collecting CyberFrog stuff.

I could be wrong. Time will tell.
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Chris being infamous as an internet weirdo is one way of putting it. He is the true and honest creator of Sonichu the electric hedgehog pokemon and the Sonichu comic strip.

My main point is that as far as audience growth goes you are being outpaced by an autistic troon that puts out maybe one wacked out youtube video a month and tweets about how the avengers and DC heroes are merging into our dimension.

You are an infinitely better businessman than Chris, far more productive, charismatic and intelligent but that internet weirdo knows how to build an audience.

I'm not telling you how to do things because you obviously know how to tap into your audience's wallet and all Chris does is shart his pants on video.
Chris's followership and viewership is ever increasing and yours has stagnated. You have a unique ability to both inspire devoted fans and piss people off to an unprecedented degree. Your audience can grow but you surround yourself with low tier lolcows like cuck TUG and burbank prostitute Sheila Allen. When you cut War Campaign free you lost a lot of dead weight but you still have tards and their autistic slapfights holding you back.
Don't be like ya boi zack and get mired in pointless lolsuits and battles with literal nobodies like Morgue and the German suicide guy focus on gaining mass appeal.
Comic books made you rich but they are also your greatest weakness. The ching Chong kickstarter lady is a fucking boring loser and nobody cares about that shit. Comics are dying and get gayer every week.

So maybe take a page out of Chris's book, build some legos, smash some transformers together and quit caring about all the weens who have latched onto you for clout. The comics you draw will sell like gangbusters regardless so you might as well bring on non-comics guests every once in a while and add variety to your show. Im not saying become the next Rush Limbaugh but at least make it entertaining. Cecil, Malin, those guys are boring as hell. Zack is boring as hell. Your show sucks and thats why its not growing. There are people with fucking ant farms that get more views than you.
Maybe having a larger audience will bring you fortune, maybe it won't but people with huge audiences tend to do well. Right now you are a tard wrangler surrounded by literal moo-moo's. You are big enough to do shows like Joe Rogan but choose to hold Trashley Lewis's hair back while she gets pounded by her black bull and TUG films it. Sad and pathetic.
 
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