#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Brother Maynard]

I'm glad that most of the people who are buying CYBERFROG disagree with you, and seem to be truly enjoying the story, the art, and the collecting experience. It's been heartening to get messages from younger readers too, who like the characters and want more of them.

But you're allowed to harshly beg to differ as a retardedly obsessive A-Log retard if you want to. You've made a powerful argument about the unworthiness of an indie Frog comic, and everyone is blown away by it, and your avatar reassures me that you're not at all biased.

So check this out: Salamandroid and CyberFrog are like hulked out versions of the animals that Kjell Sinn copied. Yes, most salamanders don't have teeth. For that matter, frogs don't either, and yet CyberFrog has a nice set of pearly whites. Salamandroid is more like a crocodile and a Komodo Dragon, if you want to get autistic about it, but people really like the character and are willing to suspend disbelief, mostly because salamanders aren't that cool looking and they just want to have fun.

To sum up: A living spaceship came to earth and made robotic superhero monsters using amphibians as reference. They look like this. It's a comic book. And it's making millions!

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Salamandroid: Great name. Really stupid design.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Miller may be on the spectrum, but pretty sure other stuff in the Bible condems fagshit. Go take your destroyed anus and cry with your special friend. Nothing more pathetic than crying over Jesus people Jesusing.

I think you got the point and missed the point at the same time. Mostly missed it. Here's something that will really blow your mind: Leviticus isn't the Big Book of Christian Morals. Neither is the Bible as a whole. With few exceptions, the Biblical authors didn't sit around developing a theory of morals. That took place in the Church over the next 2000 years. But it has roots stretching back to the pre-Biblical era, probably to the Akkadians or Sumerians who first wrote down laws. Still, it was the Church era when revelation and philosophy were united in the Christian version of natural law, which has been foundational to Western Civilization. This is why you need to read another book, so you don't ask silly questions like "Why don't Christians follow the laws in Leviticus?"

 

[VIkkiVerse]

Sure, let's ignore the context of the panel then. While we're at that, why don't you ask Jon to be his editor? I'm sure the book will turn out just great.

In the context of the panel, it's perfectly fine. "Uh" being an exclamation of hesitation. The comma indicates a verbal pause which is followed by "oh" being used as the exclamation of surprise. The biggest problem you are actually facing is that "uh oh" in the way you are attempting to use as a bludgeon against JDA, has a hyphen you seem to be unaware of. Uh-oh.

 

[Absurdity]

I'm glad that most of the people who are buying CYBERFROG disagree with you, and seem to be truly enjoying the story, the art, and the collecting experience. It's been heartening to get messages from younger readers too, who like the characters and want more of them.

But you're allowed to harshly beg to differ as a retardedly obsessive A-Log retard if you want to. You've made a powerful argument about the unworthiness of an indie Frog comic, and everyone is blown away by it, and your avatar reassures me that you're not at all biased.

So check this out: Salamandroid and CyberFrog are like hulked out versions of the animals that Kjell Sinn copied. Yes, most salamanders don't have teeth. For that matter, frogs don't either, and yet CyberFrog has a nice set of pearly whites. Salamandroid is more like a crocodile and a Komodo Dragon, if you want to get autistic about it, but people really like the character and are willing to suspend disbelief, mostly because salamanders aren't that cool looking and they just want to have fun.

To sum up: A living spaceship came to earth and made robotic superhero monsters using amphibians as reference. They look like this. It's a comic book. And it's making millions!

Just enjoy it. And my success.

Well then, I guess I should blame your lame creative stand-in KYjell. Kind of takes that "living spaceship" concept down a couple notches to barely advanced Google AI space drone. Salamandroid is certainly a character, but does he really have a compelling character? Is there anyone really clamoring for more backstory, more character arcs for this totally underappreciated creation? What is Cyberfrog but another stand-in for you? This is why your characters are half as deep as a scratch-and-sniff sticker. I'm less interested in how many people buy your comic, or how much mint you make than I am about calling you out for your false pretenses and your demafrogue demeanor. Your money bags won't help you here. You approach most things like a two-faced closet case and while that's not exactly unusual for someone in your line of work, the way you've branded yourself is exceptionally ridiculous and your methods transparent.

Your comic brand relies primarily on whether people like your personality or whatever version of it you feel like presenting at any given time which is an odd thing to say given your artisitic abilities. Your brand relies on the assumption that most people won't care enough to do a little digging on you, or even keep track of what you say from one day to the next. Most people are looking for a quick cheap laugh and an easy read. Fair enough, can't walk away from a fool and his money! But the amount of effort spent on constantly spinning your line to adapt not to reality, but to perception is what grabs my attention.

In other words: blatant faggotry.

The reason I made the avatar in the first place is that I found out about the kind of garbage you were up to just to get ahead. The sad fact is, you didn't need to do any of that. You could have just as easily coasted on your popularity as a major comic book artist and spared us the trailer park carny ride. You must know how much of a downgrade your TMNT derivatives inherently are compared to what you had built your career on previously, because you never led with that concept. You always led with your personal story, a rotating circle of "friends," and ever expanding enemies list that includes an alarming amount of turned-out "friends." It's not your fault the majority of your past professional friendships were between a mix of incompetents and backstabbers. Your pure virgin heart blinded you to their treachery!

I don't have to like Stan Lee to like his (co-)creations. I don't have to like Kirby or Ditko or Kane or McFarlane or Liefeld or TenNappel or S. Miller or Ernst to appreciate theirs. It helps that most of the aforementioned (except for Liefeld & TenNappel & S. Miller) have (had) a much better sense of professionalism that doesn't include putting their prospective customers in a constant cycle of loyalty shit-testing. You know, the type of thing those other people do.

You followed Zack with your Youtube personality first, comic books second. The only problem YBZ has right now is that he is a far better commentator on comics than an actual comic book creator or writer. His generally upbeat personality helps keep the whole thing afloat for the most part, but there are most definitely limits to what he can pull off. Your problems are little more nuanced and so far they are not costing you anything in terms of money. You are highly talented as both an artist and as a color commentator, so much so that you have been able to BS your way through an entire series of embarrassing gaffs and uncomfortable situations that might have done in lesser mortals. But in doing so, you revealed an awful lot about your personality and it's not as likeable as Mr. Meyer. The hook with any likeable character is how we relate to their vulnerabilities, their conflicts (internal & external) and how they deal with them. Cyberfrog doesn't have much in the way of internal vulnerabilities or character flaws at least that you would depict because he is clearly you and you are he. People are buying Cyberfrog because it's a reflection of your false public construct, not because it stands on its own.

A-log out!

It looks like I'm turning into a 'well ACTUALLY' guy here.

https://www.skeletaldrawing.com/home/the-lip-post1

You could be asking why the scary blue monster has a face like a crocodile - but it's comics and I can't be bothered and even I'm not that autistic. I hope.

I actually agree with the idea that the only carnivorous dinos without "lips" spent most of their time with their jaws underwater like the Spinosaur. But it doesn't matter because Ethan is one of the laziest when it comes to creating characters. It's not like the average person intuitively knows what a salamander looks like. It's not the worst thing ever, but the contrast of seeing such a mediocre concept Bollandized is jarring enough. If he put as much care and thought into that process as he did manipulating like a metacritic score to increase his market value, I wouldn't mind as much.

 

[CapeKnight]

In the context of the panel, it's perfectly fine. "Uh" being an exclamation of hesitation. The comma indicates a verbal pause which is followed by "oh" being used as the exclamation of surprise. The biggest problem you are actually facing is that "uh oh" in the way you are attempting to use as a bludgeon against JDA, has a hyphen you seem to be unaware of. Uh-oh.

Yeah, I'm 100% sure that despite any amount of suspension of disbelief, no one with a brain would be buying that someone would scream uh oh after being shot by a laser.

And Vikki, do I even have to point your autism and lack of ability to recognize your own spelling blunders right here on this forum, a place I use to shit post here and there without care, the very same place you so autistically want to use for some stupid reason of yours to defend JDA's inability to write a comic properly for some unknown reason? As if I give a shit I didn't put a hyphen, and yeah, I know you use a hyphen. There's plenty of spelling errors I make in my posts when I type them, but I'm not publishing my posts as a book for people to read and charging them money for it whilst singing on top of the mountain that I'm the bestest writer to ever write.

So once again, why don't you kindly fuck off, and go be JDA's editor already, since you seem to want to die on this stupid hill of yours.

 

[Carmina Burana]

There's some Tom King news. The latest round of DC layoffs included former Batman editor Mark Doyle, which led to this exchange with Tom Brevoort (!):

FWIW, here's what Breevoort is talking about:

Is it too much to hope that all the marxist/collectivist pros at the "Big 2" are like rats at each other's throats, scrambling to escape the sinking ship?

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

There's some Tom King news. The latest round of DC layoffs included former Batman editor Mark Doyle, which led to this exchange with Tom Brevoort (!):
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FWIW, here's what Breevoort is talking about:
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Is it too much to hope that all the marxist/collectivist pros at the "Big 2" are like rats at each other's throats, scrambling to escape the sinking ship?

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It's the good ol' "crabs in a bucket" scenario.
Hive-minded idiots.

 

[Mister Dongs]

DC Comics Bloodbath Part II - More Senior DC Staffers Laid Off

archived 11 Nov 2020 13:20:18 UTC

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https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-bloodbath-part-ii-more-senior-dc-comics-staffers-laid-off/

After DC Bloodbath II - What's Going On At DC Comics Today?

archived 14 Nov 2020 00:52:57 UTC

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https://bleedingcool.com/comics/after-dc-bloodbath-ii-whats-going-on-at-dc-comics-today/

In more general comic news, DC Comics laid off another seven members of their executive staff, including short lived "co-EiC" Michele Wells , the details of which have been suppressed due to the use of NDA-dependant severance.

• Adam Philips, Director, Marketing Services at DC Comics, after 26 years working at the publisher, after being an editor at Welsh Publishing Group, and an editor of Consumer Electronics Monthly and Video Magazine
• Stuart Schreck, Sales Manager DC Comics, after 21 years at the publisher, after managing a comic book store in New York.
• Fletcher Chu-Fong, Events Director at DC Comics, after 18 years at the publisher, after working for both Marvel and Wizard.
• Sandy Yi – SVP, Global Franchise Management, over 9 years at DC/Warners after working at HBO, Funny Of Die and Comedy Central.
• Lissette Osterloh, VP Digital Marketing & Events, after over 7 years at DC Comics and over 13 years at Warner Bros Online, Warner Bros Marketing and Warner Bros Television before that
• Michele R Wells, co-Editor-In-Chief at DC Comics, Vice President and Executive Editor, DC Children's/Young Adult, after 4 years at the publisher, formerly Executive Editor at Disney, founding chair of the Brooklyn chapter of First Book and an editor at DK Publishing, and acquisition editor at McGraw-Hull and Penguin Random House.
• Alex Carr, Group Editor at DC Comics (Justice League titles), after 2 years at DC after working for Amazon UK and Amazon's Jet City Comics line.

Even with NDAs, disgruntled ex-employees turning to Rich Johnston to express their dissatisfaction (including turning over the letter of termination itself). Frog's taken to youtube on the subject and started a series of shorter vids with the aim of capturing some of the last embers of a dying topic (mainstream comics) and revitalizing his stalled subscriber count.

Spoiler: Frog Vids

Frog (and Rich Johnston) argue (rather convincingly) that this latest wave of layoffs is just the latest in a controlled implosion of DC Comics imposed by AT&T/Time Warner to scale down operations from over 100 monthly titles a few years to somewhere in the ball parkd 12 to 15. Special interest was put into how DC EiC Marie Javins now reports directly to "DC General Manager" Daniel Cherry III as opposed to the logical choice Chief Creative Officer and DC Comics Publisher Jim Lee, and how this vindicates the earlier claims that AT&T/Time Warner going to reduce DC into a vestigial IP-holding operation since publishing has made itself unprofitable.


In other news, Patrick Zircher has been quiet on twitter lately, since someone hacked his verified twitter last month and has been accepting commissions ever since.

Patch on Twitter: "Another comic fan was robbed because of the hack o…

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[Smug Freiza]

There's some Tom King news. The latest round of DC layoffs included former Batman editor Mark Doyle, which led to this exchange with Tom Brevoort (!):
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FWIW, here's what Breevoort is talking about:
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Is it too much to hope that all the marxist/collectivist pros at the "Big 2" are like rats at each other's throats, scrambling to escape the sinking ship?

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https://archive.md/dN8Hp

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-bloodbath-part-ii-more-senior-dc-comics-staffers-laid-off/

https://archive.md/SmBfH

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/after-dc-bloodbath-ii-whats-going-on-at-dc-comics-today/

In more general comic news, DC Comics laid off another seven members of their executive staff, including short lived "co-EiC" Michele Wells , the details of which have been suppressed due to the use of NDA-dependant severance.

• Adam Philips, Director, Marketing Services at DC Comics, after 26 years working at the publisher, after being an editor at Welsh Publishing Group, and an editor of Consumer Electronics Monthly and Video Magazine
• Stuart Schreck, Sales Manager DC Comics, after 21 years at the publisher, after managing a comic book store in New York.
• Fletcher Chu-Fong, Events Director at DC Comics, after 18 years at the publisher, after working for both Marvel and Wizard.
• Sandy Yi – SVP, Global Franchise Management, over 9 years at DC/Warners after working at HBO, Funny Of Die and Comedy Central.
• Lissette Osterloh, VP Digital Marketing & Events, after over 7 years at DC Comics and over 13 years at Warner Bros Online, Warner Bros Marketing and Warner Bros Television before that
• Michele R Wells, co-Editor-In-Chief at DC Comics, Vice President and Executive Editor, DC Children's/Young Adult, after 4 years at the publisher, formerly Executive Editor at Disney, founding chair of the Brooklyn chapter of First Book and an editor at DK Publishing, and acquisition editor at McGraw-Hull and Penguin Random House.
• Alex Carr, Group Editor at DC Comics (Justice League titles), after 2 years at DC after working for Amazon UK and Amazon's Jet City Comics line.

Even with NDAs, disgruntled ex-employees turning to Rich Johnston to express their dissatisfaction (including turning over the letter of termination itself). Frog's taken to youtube on the subject and started a series of shorter vids with the aim of capturing some of the last embers of a dying topic (mainstream comics) and revitalizing his stalled subscriber count.

Spoiler: Frog Vids

Frog (and Rich Johnston) argue (rather convincingly) that this latest wave of layoffs is just the latest in a controlled implosion of DC Comics imposed by AT&T/Time Warner to scale down operations from over 100 monthly titles a few years to somewhere in the ball parkd 12 to 15. Special interest was put into how DC EiC Marie Javins now reports directly to "DC General Manager" Daniel Cherry III as opposed to the logical choice Chief Creative Officer and DC Comics Publisher Jim Lee, and how this vindicates the earlier claims that AT&T/Time Warner going to reduce DC into a vestigial IP-holding operation since publishing has made itself unprofitable.


In other news, Patrick Zircher has been quiet on twitter lately, since someone hacked his verified twitter last month and has been accepting commissions ever since.

https://archive.md/LI0Jo

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What's this? Informative posts about the going on's in the comic book industry? My dear fellows this thread is about arguing whether Salmandroid is the correct depiction of a lizard, discussing the morality of Ethan monetizing Sketch Therapy, listening to Nasser trash talk Donal, shit talking Nasser for rejoining CG and debating whether JDA's use of "uh, oh" is more or less acceptable than "uh-oh." Please contain your valuable posts to the containment thread and allow this one to return to our regularly scheduled programming of alogging, nitpicking and infighting.

Much obliged.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

What's this? Informative posts about the going on's in the comic book industry? My dear fellows this thread is about arguing whether Salmandroid is the correct depiction of a lizard, discussing the morality of Ethan monetizing Sketch Therapy, listening to Nasser trash talk Donal, shit talking Nasser for rejoining CG and debating whether JDA's use of "uh, oh" is more or less acceptable than "uh-oh." Please contain your valuable posts to the containment thread and allow this one to return to our regularly scheduled programming of alogging, nitpicking and infighting.

Much obliged.

LOL.
That thread is dead on the vine.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

What's this? Informative posts about the going on's in the comic book industry? My dear fellows this thread is about arguing whether Salmandroid is the correct depiction of a lizard, discussing the morality of Ethan monetizing Sketch Therapy, listening to Nasser trash talk Donal, shit talking Nasser for rejoining CG and debating whether JDA's use of "uh, oh" is more or less acceptable than "uh-oh." Please contain your valuable posts to the containment thread and allow this one to return to our regularly scheduled programming of alogging, nitpicking and infighting.

Much obliged.

The legacy comic book industry is morte. The stuff you listed IS the comic book industry now.

 

[Analog Devolved]

Well then, I guess I should blame your lame creative stand-in KYjell. Kind of takes that "living spaceship" concept down a couple notches to barely advanced Google AI space drone. Salamandroid is certainly a character, but does he really have a compelling character? Is there anyone really clamoring for more backstory, more character arcs for this totally underappreciated creation? What is Cyberfrog but another stand-in for you? This is why your characters are half as deep as a scratch-and-sniff sticker. I'm less interested in how many people buy your comic, or how much mint you make than I am about calling you out for your false pretenses and your demafrogue demeanor. Your money bags won't help you here. You approach most things like a two-faced closet case and while that's not exactly unusual for someone in your line of work, the way you've branded yourself is exceptionally ridiculous and your methods transparent.

Your comic brand relies primarily on whether people like your personality or whatever version of it you feel like presenting at any given time which is an odd thing to say given your artisitic abilities. Your brand relies on the assumption that most people won't care enough to do a little digging on you, or even keep track of what you say from one day to the next. Most people are looking for a quick cheap laugh and an easy read. Fair enough, can't walk away from a fool and his money! But the amount of effort spent on constantly spinning your line to adapt not to reality, but to perception is what grabs my attention.

In other words: blatant faggotry.

The reason I made the avatar in the first place is that I found out about the kind of garbage you were up to just to get ahead. The sad fact is, you didn't need to do any of that. You could have just as easily coasted on your popularity as a major comic book artist and spared us the trailer park carny ride. You must know how much of a downgrade your TMNT derivatives inherently are compared to what you had built your career on previously, because you never led with that concept. You always led with your personal story, a rotating circle of "friends," and ever expanding enemies list that includes an alarming amount of turned-out "friends." It's not your fault the majority of your past professional friendships were between a mix of incompetents and backstabbers. Your pure virgin heart blinded you to their treachery!

I don't have to like Stan Lee to like his (co-)creations. I don't have to like Kirby or Ditko or Kane or McFarlane or Liefeld or TenNappel or S. Miller or Ernst to appreciate theirs. It helps that most of the aforementioned (except for Liefeld & TenNappel & S. Miller) have (had) a much better sense of professionalism that doesn't include putting their prospective customers in a constant cycle of loyalty shit-testing. You know, the type of thing those other people do.

You followed Zack with your Youtube personality first, comic books second. The only problem YBZ has right now is that he is a far better commentator on comics than an actual comic book creator or writer. His generally upbeat personality helps keep the whole thing afloat for the most part, but there are most definitely limits to what he can pull off. Your problems are little more nuanced and so far they are not costing you anything in terms of money. You are highly talented as both an artist and as a color commentator, so much so that you have been able to BS your way through an entire series of embarrassing gaffs and uncomfortable situations that might have done in lesser mortals. But in doing so, you revealed an awful lot about your personality and it's not as likeable as Mr. Meyer. The hook with any likeable character is how we relate to their vulnerabilities, their conflicts (internal & external) and how they deal with them. Cyberfrog doesn't have much in the way of internal vulnerabilities or character flaws at least that you would depict because he is clearly you and you are he. People are buying Cyberfrog because it's a reflection of your false public construct, not because it stands on its own.

A-log out!



I actually agree with the idea that the only carnivorous dinos without "lips" spent most of their time with their jaws underwater like the Spinosaur. But it doesn't matter because Ethan is one of the laziest when it comes to creating characters. It's not like the average person intuitively knows what a salamander looks like. It's not the worst thing ever, but the contrast of seeing such a mediocre concept Bollandized is jarring enough. If he put as much care and thought into that process as he did manipulating like a metacritic score to increase his market value, I wouldn't mind as much.

1. The idea that a space ship comes to Earth and makes superheroes based on Amphibians is less like TMNT and more like Transformers Beast Wars. No one cares that Cyberfrog has teeth or that Salamandroid doesn't look like a Salamander. I've never even thought to make that argument because its pointless. It's a comic book, a genre filled with unbelievable shit.

2. SMiller is anything but professional. I'm not going to rehash his history of being a huge faggot, other autists have already done that. His history in the comics scene and trying to publish Jesus books is storied with gay buttfucking and backstabbing.

https://archive.md/dN8Hp

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-bloodbath-part-ii-more-senior-dc-comics-staffers-laid-off/

https://archive.md/SmBfH

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/after-dc-bloodbath-ii-whats-going-on-at-dc-comics-today/

In more general comic news, DC Comics laid off another seven members of their executive staff, including short lived "co-EiC" Michele Wells , the details of which have been suppressed due to the use of NDA-dependant severance.

• Adam Philips, Director, Marketing Services at DC Comics, after 26 years working at the publisher, after being an editor at Welsh Publishing Group, and an editor of Consumer Electronics Monthly and Video Magazine
• Stuart Schreck, Sales Manager DC Comics, after 21 years at the publisher, after managing a comic book store in New York.
• Fletcher Chu-Fong, Events Director at DC Comics, after 18 years at the publisher, after working for both Marvel and Wizard.
• Sandy Yi – SVP, Global Franchise Management, over 9 years at DC/Warners after working at HBO, Funny Of Die and Comedy Central.
• Lissette Osterloh, VP Digital Marketing & Events, after over 7 years at DC Comics and over 13 years at Warner Bros Online, Warner Bros Marketing and Warner Bros Television before that
• Michele R Wells, co-Editor-In-Chief at DC Comics, Vice President and Executive Editor, DC Children's/Young Adult, after 4 years at the publisher, formerly Executive Editor at Disney, founding chair of the Brooklyn chapter of First Book and an editor at DK Publishing, and acquisition editor at McGraw-Hull and Penguin Random House.
• Alex Carr, Group Editor at DC Comics (Justice League titles), after 2 years at DC after working for Amazon UK and Amazon's Jet City Comics line.

Even with NDAs, disgruntled ex-employees turning to Rich Johnston to express their dissatisfaction (including turning over the letter of termination itself). Frog's taken to youtube on the subject and started a series of shorter vids with the aim of capturing some of the last embers of a dying topic (mainstream comics) and revitalizing his stalled subscriber count.

Spoiler: Frog Vids

Frog (and Rich Johnston) argue (rather convincingly) that this latest wave of layoffs is just the latest in a controlled implosion of DC Comics imposed by AT&T/Time Warner to scale down operations from over 100 monthly titles a few years to somewhere in the ball parkd 12 to 15. Special interest was put into how DC EiC Marie Javins now reports directly to "DC General Manager" Daniel Cherry III as opposed to the logical choice Chief Creative Officer and DC Comics Publisher Jim Lee, and how this vindicates the earlier claims that AT&T/Time Warner going to reduce DC into a vestigial IP-holding operation since publishing has made itself unprofitable.


In other news, Patrick Zircher has been quiet on twitter lately, since someone hacked his verified twitter last month and has been accepting commissions ever since.

https://archive.md/LI0Jo

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That fucking SUCKS for the people who sent money to the fake Zircher. It goes without saying that if a comic pro is taking commissions over Twitter and not through an art dealer or their own website that you should verify their PayPal email address before sending money. It's usually pretty easy to do because they will typically have used the same email in the past and there is a digital paper trail.

I was alerted by Google News linking to an article talking about DC layoffs. It focused mainly on Ethan Van Sciver and his youtube predictions about their impending downfall. DC fucking sucks, Ethan got out of there at a very opportune time and makes way more money than DC ever paid him.

What's this? Informative posts about the going on's in the comic book industry? My dear fellows this thread is about arguing whether Salmandroid is the correct depiction of a lizard, discussing the morality of Ethan monetizing Sketch Therapy, listening to Nasser trash talk Donal, shit talking Nasser for rejoining CG and debating whether JDA's use of "uh, oh" is more or less acceptable than "uh-oh." Please contain your valuable posts to the containment thread and allow this one to return to our regularly scheduled programming of alogging, nitpicking and infighting.

Much obliged.

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

 

[GranDuke]

Frog (and Rich Johnston) argue (rather convincingly) that this latest wave of layoffs is just the latest in a controlled implosion of DC Comics imposed by AT&T/Time Warner to scale down operations from over 100 monthly titles a few years to somewhere in the ball parkd 12 to 15.

When has DC published anything close to 100 monthly titles? Or is this counting various reprints and collected editions?

 

[Mister Dongs]

When has DC published anything close to 100 monthly titles? Or is this counting various reprints and collected editions?

I took one of Frog's vids describing the count at face value; after trawling the "Currently Published by DC Comics" wiki history the most I could find was 73 before New 52.

However, if you count one-shots and limited runs along with now defunct imprints like Wildstorm and Vertigo, DC Comics printed 101 titles in 2010.

That fucking SUCKS for the people who sent money to the fake Zircher. It goes without saying that if a comic pro is taking commissions over Twitter and not through an art dealer or their own website that you should verify their PayPal email address before sending money. It's usually pretty easy to do because they will typically have used the same email in the past and there is a digital paper trail.

Let's not break our backs feeling too sorry for Pat Zircher only being able to share his musing with ~300 followers.

Patch on Twitter: "Lolita was one of THE books to read when I was you…

archived 14 Nov 2020 17:33:22 UTC

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[Newman's Lovechild]

But it doesn't matter because Ethan is one of the laziest when it comes to creating characters. It's not like the average person intuitively knows what a salamander looks like. It's not the worst thing ever, but the contrast of seeing such a mediocre concept Bollandized is jarring enough. If he put as much care and thought into that process as he did manipulating like a metacritic score to increase his market value, I wouldn't mind as much.

It's from a time when comic artists and stans alike were wowed by the things Rob Liefeld, Todd McFarlane and others were drawing, and anything nonhuman in comics looked like an explosion in HR Giger's knife factory. Salamandroid is cut from the same cloth as Spawn's Violator, Marvel's Brood, or flanderized versions of Killer Croc. Look - a carnival performer with a skin condition.
It's eye-rolling, and a cause and symptom of the tastes of comic nerds raised on a diet of kewl and wikkid capeshit, but I can't get too wound up about singling Frog out for it when it's one of the few things he still does the same as most in the mainstream industry.

'Bollandized.' I have to remember that one.

 

[Rupin]

I took one of Frog's vids describing the count at face value; after trawling the "Currently Published by DC Comics" wiki history the most I could find was 73 before New 52.

However, if you count one-shots and limited runs along with now defunct imprints like Wildstorm and Vertigo, DC Comics printed 101 titles in 2010.


Let's not break our backs feeling too sorry for Pat Zircher only being able to share his musing with ~300 followers.

https://archive.md/3Ej8E

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i don’t feel sorry Zircher at all. According to him, the industry was doing just fine right before COVID hit and that’s the reason why comics collapsed.

 

[Carmina Burana]

You want to draw comics "the Marvel Way"? Heroes & villains, action, spaceships, dinosaurs, hot babes? That kind of cool, badass stuff? I have some bad news for you.....

No one learns to draw so they can draw this shit. Art like this gives you AIDS in your eyes.

"Why don't kids buy comics?" they ask, completely clueless. Remember this garbage when they tell you"CoViD KiLlEd CoMiCs."

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

You want to draw comics "the Marvel Way"? Heroes & villains, action, spaceships, dinosaurs, hot babes? That kind of cool, badass stuff? I have some bad news for you.....
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No one learns to draw so they can draw this shit. Art like this gives you AIDS in your eyes.

"Why don't kids buy comics?" they ask, completely clueless. Remember this garbage when they tell you"CoViD KiLlEd CoMiCs."

Marriage comics are dumb even when they aren't trying to be gay as fuck.

I remember 6 year old me being turned off by the Superman Marriage issue in 1996.

 

[Grant McClellan]

Ethan Van Sciver is anti SJW shithead who acts like a whiny crybaby. And its a shame since I have to see his name in the credits of DC Super Hero Girls (due to him being involved in the creation of Jessica Cruz)

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Ethan Van Sciver is anti SJW shithead who acts like a whiny crybaby. And its a shame since I have to see his name in the credits of DC Super Hero Girls (due to him being involved in the creation of Jessica Cruz)

Who are you, again?
EDIT: Nevermind.
Lolcow thread:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/invisible-crane-grant-mcclellan.9960/