#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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jspit2.0 said:
Well, they think they have. Both Fandom Menace and CG are pyramids. Look at the sheer number of failed campaigns, of floundering channels.

The incentive would be if you were an actual 'culture warrior.' Someone who's motive to fight had nothing to do with clout or money but with conviction.



True. The sad thing is, I think a small percentage, maybe a third, are actual, true believers. They actually think they make a difference buying Cyberfrog or tuning in to Geeks and Gamers.

It feels like moving goal posts though, if you've paid attention for the, what? Four years this things been dragging on. They initially set out claiming to want to save the 'industry.' Then, as everyone on here saw, they now mock the very idea. Instead they were going to make great comics and set an example customer first! Now even that's fallen through. At this point its down to 'create a space were I can make money.'

But there is a reason Ethan, Tug, and company make culture war videos. Because they need to couch their stuff in it to sell it, by implying that buying their swag will stick it to the people they stream about.
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Everyone involved in the culture war girft(s) started out as a true believer. Then human nature (greed) takes over and perpetuating it becomes more important. How the fuck would QuarterPounder pay his light bill if the culture war was declared over tomorrow? Dude would be living under a bridge.
 
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The drama in CG is why I am not optimistic when the day that the MS Comics industry finally collapses. Because if comics people here are gonna be the successors to the big two then it's gonna be a case of history repeating it self.
 
Éire-Ice36 said:
The drama in CG is why I am not optimistic when the day that the MS Comics industry finally collapses. Because if comics people here are gonna be the successors to the big two then it's gonna be a case of history repeating it self.
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I never thought I would say it, but that sounds like insulting the mainstream, and giving CG too much credit. CG would need a viable industry before they could run it into the ground.
 
Mister Dongs said:
Sure does. First a boycott "to save the industry" was attempted; this only resulted with everyone being mass blocked, disregarded and no meaningful change achieved. Then there was some talk about only great comics being made, but this led into the problem of who enforces subjective standards like "what is great" and what is not and led to a lot of gayops and fighting as self-appointed standard enforcers went about it. Now CG is at a stage where responsibility is understood to fall upon the customer to use their own judgment to back whatever strikes them as good. Which, as a "consumer advocacy movement", is frankly how it always should have been in the first place.
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Wart and Wizard...

SaidNoOneEver said:
Everyone involved in the culture war girft(s) started out as a true believer. Then human nature (greed) takes over and perpetuating it becomes more important. How the fuck would QuarterPounder pay his light bill if the culture war was declared over tomorrow? Dude would be living under a bridge.
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What did he even do before grifting? Dungeons and Dragons shit can't be cheap.

Éire-Ice36 said:
The drama in CG is why I am not optimistic when the day that the MS Comics industry finally collapses. Because if comics people here are gonna be the successors to the big two then it's gonna be a case of history repeating it self.
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Eh, I don't know that it'll ever actually collapse in the next fifty years or so. Too many people in their thirties, forties, and fifties still like comics. That plus too many people who are too old to learn new skills and odds are it'll just become a small, irrelevant thing like stamp collecting and model trains.
 
Absurdity said:
I have some questions: which is harder to do, saving the Comic Book Industry or winning the Culture War ? Why would anyone think Ethan is somehow more equipped to do the later rather than the former? His major defense now is that he only wants to make Cyberfrog comics (he never said I wanted to save "duh industry!"), but if that's really true he can't zoom out again and claim greater relevance and preach to anyone else like he did with G&G.
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I'm just a humble Frog merchant.

We use the same simple analogies over and over again. The mainstream comic book industry is Big Fast Food. They've been taken over by dirty hippies. The dirty hippies have replaced all beef patties with soy patties, and they're cursing out customers who complain.

This has offered us an opportunity to open a hot dog stand. We don't have the resources of Burger King, or the ability to franchise out, mass produce, etc. Not yet. But we can make a product that people will like, while being respectful of our customers.

Does the hot dog vendor give a fuck about "saving Burger King?" Does he have the ability to destroy the lecturing scolds that have ruined The Whopper and their culture?

No. But it's an alternative, and perhaps from such humble roots, great things can eventually grow.

In the meantime, I'd tell people not to suffer the Soy Whopper or support and patronize companies that would mistreat them, and that advice is the very least we can offer them.
 
FROG said:
I'm just a humble Frog merchant.

We use the same simple analogies over and over again. The mainstream comic book industry is Big Fast Food. They've been taken over by dirty hippies. The dirty hippies have replaced all beef patties with soy patties, and they're cursing out customers who complain.

This has offered us an opportunity to open a hot dog stand. We don't have the resources of Burger King, or the ability to franchise out, mass produce, etc. Not yet. But we can make a product that people will like, while being respectful of our customers.

Does the hot dog vendor give a fuck about "saving Burger King?" Does he have the ability to destroy the lecturing scolds that have ruined The Whopper and their culture?

No. But it's an alternative, and perhaps from such humble roots, great things can eventually grow.

In the meantime, I'd tell people not to suffer the Soy Whopper or support and patronize companies that would mistreat them, and that advice is the very least we can offer them.
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Let me rephrase that:
the big burger chains have been taken over by hippies who only serve veggie burgers at 5$ each that are readily available and you need at least 6 of them to get a satisfying burger experience, while their staff calls out meat eaters.
Meat lovers decide to open their own burger joints, where they sell substantially bigger burger portions at 25$ each.
However, a lot of them are not professional burger flippers, the service is attrociously slow and a lot of burgers delay and are few to satisfy a steady demand.

Then, the boutique burger owners start to fight over serving salad eaters or not, about the purity of the patty or the type of bun and call out customers who disagree with them.

Think of it in burger terms and see what you can fix in your business model.
 
A nameless trool said:
Let me rephrase that:
the big burger chains have been taken over by hippies who only serve veggie burgers at 5$ each that are readily available and you need at least 6 of them to get a satisfying burger experience, while their staff calls out meat eaters.
Meat lovers decide to open their own burger joints, where they sell substantially bigger burger portions at 25$ each.
However, a lot of them are not professional burger flippers, the service is attrociously slow and a lot of burgers delay and are few to satisfy a steady demand.

Then, the boutique burger owners start to fight over serving salad eaters or not, about the purity of the patty or the type of bun and call out customers who disagree with them.

Think of it in burger terms and see what you can fix in your business model.
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That's a fair broad view of ComicsGate. Making "comics" possible for everyone, as they should be, comes with a whole series of negative consequences. It's the Wild West out here. There are bad comics and bad actors. Having an absolute rule that The Customer Is Always Right leads to abuses like War Campaign, which eventually leads to purity testing and gatekeeping. In my opinion, most of these problems will burn themselves out. Terrible comics won't get funded. Only sharing my platform with those who I'm in business with will lead to less gay ops and fighting.

All I can do is worry about my own publishing concerns. I'd like to publish more and better comics. I can personally only produce a limited amount of work with my own hands, so I'm publishing other creators, like Matt, Trent and Kyle, and creating more CYBERFROG related product with the best talent I can find.

There's no such thing as "winning the culture war" unless radical leftists are reviled the way Nazis are, and their influence is no longer tolerated in society. Asking me to either present a plan to do that or to GTFO isn't reasonable. My only goal is to live and work without their interference, and that is, at least, fighting the culture war.
 
A nameless trool said:
However, a lot of them are not professional burger flippers, the service is attrociously slow and a lot of burgers delay and are few to satisfy a steady demand.
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So the customer buys from the businesses that provide him the timely burgers he wants and does not buy from the ones that are struck with delays. If enough people feel the same as he does, then the free market will correct itself as the businesses catering to the "timely burger customer" will proper and those that don't either improve so they can compete or fail and fall by the wayside.

If, however, the people who spend all their time fulfilling orders for burgers as fast as possible fall to the wayside against people who take more time to actively sell burgers, then the customer has to accept that his theories on how things should be do not correlate with business reality. This is how things should work in a market without interference.

Right now there's a number of entrepreneurs who have burgers pre-made as soon as they're able to take orders, or at least offering drastically shortened wait time. Maybe they'll find a niche or an untapped market and prosper, or pull an Antonio Brice where you get a sponsorship from a youtuber that doesn't actually sponsor the product. We'll just have to see.
 
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FROG said:
That's a fair broad view of ComicsGate. Making "comics" possible for everyone, as they should be, comes with a whole series of negative consequences. It's the Wild West out here. There are bad comics and bad actors. Having an absolute rule that The Customer Is Always Right leads to abuses like War Campaign, which eventually leads to purity testing and gatekeeping. In my opinion, most of these problems will burn themselves out. Terrible comics won't get funded. Only sharing my platform with those who I'm in business with will lead to less gay ops and fighting.

All I can do is worry about my own publishing concerns. I'd like to publish more and better comics. I can personally only produce a limited amount of work with my own hands, so I'm publishing other creators, like Matt, Trent and Kyle, and creating more CYBERFROG related product with the best talent I can find.

There's no such thing as "winning the culture war" unless radical leftists are reviled the way Nazis are, and their influence is no longer tolerated in society. Asking me to either present a plan to do that or to GTFO isn't reasonable. My only goal is to live and work without their interference, and that is, at least, fighting the culture war.
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Get Zack and his people in there too (as long as he does a lot of Jawbreakers and regardless of his livestreaming or not), some Cecil-penned comics and you are on track to create a backyard comicbook kingdom.

Meanwhile, Perch's comic book industry buddies are salty his videos get posted here:
All you losers getting your panties in a bunch, we do this to roast @FROG and his merry band of retards.
 
Time for another Comicsgate News Update

FROM CREATORGO
Continuing with our new segment from CreatorGo, the current amount of campaigns launched in 2021 is a massive 65, not including the failures that have been removed from the site listed below. Three of our previous Campaigns to Watch were funded and removed from the previous list, while two failed to fund and join our CG 2021 graveyard and a future three freshly launched campaigns join our watch list.

Previous Failures
The Current Plane Comic #1
Pillowman and Blanketboy Comic-- Second Chance!
KINETIC
Cross Comics coloring book
Melvin #1
Everlasting Survivors Volume 1 Graphic Novel

Updated Failures
The Tome Of Reckoning
Chateau Obsidian #3

Campaigns to Watch
Wulfsbane- Issue 1
Chaotic Flux issue 3: Relentless
ALBATROSS JUNCTION VOL. 1 GRAPHIC NOVEL
EVERMATTER: Conscript
COBALT: Thrashing About
RAPTOR: The Preamble
Glyn in Monster Land

New Campaigns to Watch
The Oswald Chronicles: My Time with Clive 1-4
Rokan
Zener: Master of the Mind Vol 1

FROM INDIEGOGO
Ya Boi Zack recently posted an updated on his Expendables campaign announcing that despite not hitting the 300K stretch goal, all backers will now be receiving a pair of dogtags. Zack states that "These are not novelty items, but rather actual metal dog tags made by the same people who manufacture dog tags for the United States military!" Considering how overdue the Expendables is, this seems like a gesture of goodwill towards disgruntled backers.

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www.indiegogo.com

THE EXPENDABLES GO TO HELL Graphic Novel

The Expendables are BACK! Story by SYLVESTER STALLONE & CHUCK DIXON. Art by GRAHAM NOLAN. | Check out 'THE EXPENDABLES GO TO HELL Graphic Novel' on Indiegogo.
www.indiegogo.com www.indiegogo.com

Resident cuckhold and pizza aficionado Donal Delay/@Fathead gave an update stating that 90% of the domestic orders for Brutas the Badass have now been shipped.

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www.indiegogo.com

Brutas The Badass #1

Donal Delay and Nasser Rabadi are bringing hyper 90s action overly macho brutes BACK to comics! | Check out 'Brutas The Badass #1' on Indiegogo.
www.indiegogo.com www.indiegogo.com

Pencil neck, Mitch "The Bitch" Breitweiser put out an update on his massively late Red Rooster campaign asking backers to finalize their addresses as the books have been printed and are ready to fulfill. In a complete lack of self awareness Mitch includes a promotional pamphlet for "The Saints" which allegedly is coming soon to Indiegogo, my fucking sides!!!:lol:

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www.indiegogo.com

RED ROOSTER: Golden Age

A vigilante folk hero barnstorms a cabal of villains hellbent on leaving him totally plucked! | Check out 'RED ROOSTER: Golden Age' on Indiegogo.
www.indiegogo.com www.indiegogo.com

Other quick updates include:
  • Graveyard Shift creator Jon Malin launched a swim suit variant cover for Graveyard Shift 3 which as of writing has raised $50,917 from 684 backers in its first week of funding.
  • Another massively overdue book Monster M.D by Von Klaus is finally entering fulfillment.
  • Shane Davis joining the "six figures bitch" club with his book Starlight Cats raising $102,353 from 1,342 backers.
FROM THE TWITTERVERSE
The gals from Rewriting Ripley announced via twitter that part two of their Star Wars podcast is now live titled "In Plain Sight Part 2: You Are Not Immune to Propaganda."

In a previous tweet the gals also announced that the initially two part podcast will now feature a third episode, whether this will contain information pertaining to recent events is currently unknown.

Our own beloved @FROG appears to be being blamed for Lindsay Ellis recently nuking her twitter account after being harassed by SJWs for some reason. Links to Lindsay's thread and the beginning of the drama are linked above.


FROM YOUTUBE
Worlds collided when @FROG joined @VIkkiVerse, DA Talks and Darth Daddy Lunga for a stream discussing the current drama brewing between Comicsgate and The Fandom Menance, which mostly involved a lone crazy Fandom Menace historian bitching about Frog.

Dark Gift Comics hosted a "Neutral Grounds" stream which was largely uninteresting until Jon Del Arroz / @TheCosmicWarrior came on and got into an argument with Panboy Donglover. The bloodsports begin almost immediately as Jon joins at 1:34:07.

The Comic Book Hut hosted Douglas Ernst to talk about his sequel to the very well received Soulfinder series which recently avoided crowdfunding and went straight to Tim Lim's online store Iconic Comics.

Milquetoast meets Milk Toast as Michael Bancroft hosted Sweetcast to talk about whether crowdfunding is an outdated model and online stores similar to Iconic Comics and Clint's new online store are the future of Comicsgate.

Perch reports on Marvel leaving Diamond Distribution for Penguin Random House.

He then did a follow up video giving an analysis on the situation.

Mitch Breitweiser surprised the world by actually showing Red Rooster books being signed and in the process of fulfillment. @Adamska any thoughts on this?

And finally after producing a video reporting on the Geeks and Gamers vs Zack Snyder drama, Preston Poulter follows up with a fresh video pushing his own theory that the Fandom Menace and Comicsgate are currently locked in some kind of tard cold war.

Just a brief update today on some of the happenings you may have missed over the past week in Comicsgate. I had another story to write up but I felt it might be too long to include in the regular update, I'll type it up soon enough after someone else comments so as not to double post.

As always take care and stay safe out there. :bluelabel:
 
Smug Freiza said:
Mitch Breitweiser surprised the world by actually showing Red Rooster books being signed and in the process of fulfillment. @Adamska any thoughts on this?
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TBH I completely stopped giving a shit about anything CG related in the movement since what I got was 99% overpriced mediocrity for the money put into it and at the time was mostly just watching people who could be grampas by now act like 13 year old girls. Not helped by Wu Flu kicking the world's ass meaning money in general is tighter hence why I'm avoiding flinging money around too much.

Uh... he's still a piece of shit? Because he's still a piece of shit for doing all that. It's just surprising that he's actually doing it. I'm still not likely to touch anything he ever did.

Speaking of pieces of shit...

I have made the joke that me getting my copy of Brutas was why the Ever Given decided to crash in the Suez. I actually forgot I paid for it for like a good 15 - 30 seconds when I was given that copy.
 
Adamska said:
TBH I completely stopped giving a shit about anything CG related in the movement since what I got was 99% overpriced mediocrity for the money put into it and at the time was mostly just watching people who could be grampas by now act like 13 year old girls. Not helped by Wu Flu kicking the world's ass meaning money in general is tighter hence why I'm avoiding flinging money around too much.

Uh... he's still a piece of shit? Because he's still a piece of shit for doing all that. It's just surprising that he's actually doing it. I'm still not likely to touch anything he ever did.

Speaking of pieces of shit...

I have made the joke that me getting my copy of Brutas was why the Ever Given decided to crash in the Suez. I actually forgot I paid for it for like a good 15 - 30 seconds when I was given that copy.
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I thought I remembered you saying you were a backer of Red Rooster, I may have been mistaken. Mitch actually had the gall to include an advertisement for "The Saints" with the packages. The Saints is an upcoming comic book for Allegiance Arts he is crowdfunding on Indiegogo before it comes to Walmart.

 
Smug Freiza said:
I thought I remembered you saying you were a backer of Red Rooster, I may have been mistaken. Mitch actually had the gall to include an advertisement for "The Saints" with the packages. The Saints is an upcoming comic book for Allegiance Arts he is crowdfunding on Indiegogo before it comes to Walmart.

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Oh I backed it back when Mitch didn't prove he was a piece of shit. I fully bet he'll do the same retarded schtick of dicking anyone who buys this as a crowdfund in favor of Walmart.

I just zoned out of CG pretty hard about a year ago.
 
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