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I've only seen up to the end of season 2 of the anime. I'm re-watching all of it now in anticipation of being able to watch the rest of season 4 as soon as it airs in Japan.

Pls no spoilers.

(But yeah, I've been warned the manga ending is an absolute shit show, and the anime ending will probably be the same).
I won't spoil for anime-only watchers but I'll say I need to read Berserk after wasting my time with AOT
 
I stopped at Season 2 the supporting characters got way too annoying for me to take.
Some asshat already spoiled for me that, in Season 3, Sasha (aka Best Girl) dies.

I heard that, and it kinda took the wind out of my sails. But I suppose I should give the rest of it a shot.
 
Zack can feel free to ignore this post, as I believe I fall into the category of anti-customer of ROCK N ROLL NINJA, but I've got to say one thing has really been irking me, ever since I saw the logo:

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It's a cool logo, right?
But what bothers me is that the design is punk! Not rock n roll!

Am I crazy here? I don't think so!
This is what rock n roll type stuff looks like:
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You know? It's like neon signs and shit. Not cut n paste letters! That's punk!

I started googling around, it was bothering me so much, and the one 'rock n roll' named thing I found with cut n paste lettering was this:
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Which is a PUNK documentary!

And look, here's another one:
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This chapter heading is like this why? Because the girl dresses up like a punk in that chapter.

That design is PUNK! End of story.

So then I started looking at the ROCK N ROLL NINJA story description, and it's set in 1981!

That's not a rock n roll era!
Isn't that like more of a punk rock era?

Should it, in fact, be called PUNK ROCK NINJA?

I mean he has this picture on the IndieGoGo as inspiration:
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That's the Ramones in the 70s - the NY punk scene.

And then there's his comic's rock n roll (?) band:
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Now what kind of music are these chaps making, would you say? Rock n roll? Punk rock?
Unfortunately we'll never know, because there's no sound in comics, for fuck's sake.
 
Zack can feel free to ignore this post, as I believe I fall into the category of anti-customer of ROCK N ROLL NINJA, but I've got to say one thing has really been irking me, ever since I saw the logo:

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It's a cool logo, right?
But what bothers me is that the design is punk! Not rock n roll!

Am I crazy here? I don't think so!
This is what rock n roll type stuff looks like:
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You know? It's like neon signs and shit. Not cut n paste letters! That's punk!

I started googling around, it was bothering me so much, and the one 'rock n roll' named thing I found with cut n paste lettering was this:
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Which is a PUNK documentary!

And look, here's another one:
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This chapter heading is like this why? Because the girl dresses up like a punk in that chapter.

That design is PUNK! End of story.

So then I started looking at the ROCK N ROLL NINJA story description, and it's set in 1981!

That's not a rock n roll era!
Isn't that like more of a punk rock era?

Should it, in fact, be called PUNK ROCK NINJA?

I mean he has this picture on the IndieGoGo as inspiration:
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That's the Ramones in the 70s - the NY punk scene.

And then there's his comic's rock n roll (?) band:
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Now what kind of music are these chaps making, would you say? Rock n roll? Punk rock?
Unfortunately we'll never know, because there's no sound in comics, for fuck's sake.
We are talking about the guy who doesn't know the difference between Goth and Emo and that has admited that his taste in music is worse than his taste in movies.
 
I've only seen up to the end of season 2 of the anime. I'm re-watching all of it now in anticipation of being able to watch the rest of season 4 as soon as it airs in Japan.

Pls no spoilers.

(But yeah, I've been warned the manga ending is an absolute shit show, and the anime ending will probably be the same).
In my opinion the manga takes a complete nosedive after you find out the "truth" about the world at large. Everything beyond that is pretty awful. It completely loses what was cool about the manga and its premise in the first place by going all big-brained and introducing shitloads of political drama. I haven't watched past season 1 of the anime because of it.

It's fucking ironic that YellowFlash2 has not once mentioned the shitty ending of AOT that is causing fans to leave the AOT ship. NOT ONCE he said anything bad about its ending. I wonder WHY!
YellowFlash doesn't actually have any investment in anime/manga beyond using its audience to build his YouTube and own libs. He's a big time fake weeb. Probably watches anime about as often as Cecil and Anna, meaning he'll latch onto the outrage of the season like Redo of Healer or Uzaki-chan.
 
Zack can feel free to ignore this post, as I believe I fall into the category of anti-customer of ROCK N ROLL NINJA, but I've got to say one thing has really been irking me, ever since I saw the logo:

View attachment 2257857
It's a cool logo, right?
But what bothers me is that the design is punk! Not rock n roll!

Am I crazy here? I don't think so!
This is what rock n roll type stuff looks like:
View attachment 2257847
You know? It's like neon signs and shit. Not cut n paste letters! That's punk!

I started googling around, it was bothering me so much, and the one 'rock n roll' named thing I found with cut n paste lettering was this:
View attachment 2257848
Which is a PUNK documentary!

And look, here's another one:
View attachment 2257854
This chapter heading is like this why? Because the girl dresses up like a punk in that chapter.

That design is PUNK! End of story.

So then I started looking at the ROCK N ROLL NINJA story description, and it's set in 1981!

That's not a rock n roll era!
Isn't that like more of a punk rock era?

Should it, in fact, be called PUNK ROCK NINJA?

I mean he has this picture on the IndieGoGo as inspiration:
wkbdgnzwwnefczsckxll.jpg

That's the Ramones in the 70s - the NY punk scene.

And then there's his comic's rock n roll (?) band:
View attachment 2257852
Now what kind of music are these chaps making, would you say? Rock n roll? Punk rock?
Unfortunately we'll never know, because there's no sound in comics, for fuck's sake.
"Rock rock rock rock Rock N Roll High Schooool."

Punk rockers referred to their music as Rock N Roll all the time.
 
Yeah sure, I love it. When Zack told me, my exact quote was "Good, see how he likes it." I have absolutely no pity for these people, and it's fun watching them suffer. But it should be pointed out that the lesbians who are gossiping about Nick's alleged "White Supremacy" are in this moment worse than Nick is. It's still sickening to watch them work.

"You can say that he doesn't deserve what's happening, but I'd argue that he is at least as undeserving of sympathy for it."

This is well stated. At the zenith of my mercy, I agree.


Nice! The art is great, and it looks like fun. I hope the finished product is good.


I'd never speculate on the motives of any of my customers. It's none of my business. I'm creating the best product I possibly can for their money, and I tell them THANK YOU.

I don't ask them to buy my product to "own the SJWs," but I have said that it's important that we build our own industry. It isn't cynical. I truly believe it and want to do it.

It's just tards on twitter a-logging the faggot who destroyed Captain America. You get way worse than Spencer does, fuck him. He deserves all the hate he gets from fans for whatever stupid reason.
"With great power comes great responsibility"

Nick had power over the IP and used that power to intentionally kick the hornets nest. Zack wants to preach his newfound comradirie for a retard he's certainly entitled to that opinion but it's dumb.

Watching clowns like Nick suffer is quality entertainment. Especially when other people chime in with hot takes on youtube or twitter to contribute to the drama. This forum wouldn't exist without people overreacting to shit on the internet.
 
Now what kind of music are these chaps making, would you say? Rock n roll? Punk rock?
Unfortunately we'll never know, because there's no sound in comics, for fuck's sake.
I was actually thinking about this a few days ago after seeing some of the art for Rock n Roll Ninja.
Comics that use music as a motif don't really work for me. Just my opinion. Comics are a visual medium and music doesn't translate well into it.

Don't get me wrong, there are ways you can show movement like dancing or people playing an instrument that convey the feeling of music but for the most part the shit just doesn't work as a central theme. Seeing a drawing of a band playing with some random blurbs of text lyrics does nothing for me as a reader, especially if the band is entirely fictional and I have no frame of reference for how they might sound. You draw the Ramones playing accompanied by word balloons with the lyrics to "Commando", then I know exactly what that sounds like. Zack's rock and roll ninjas could sound like Boston or Iron Maiden or a shitty cover band that plays the VFW on the weekends.

I dunno, I just think music comics are way more miss than hit. Comics and music both play with time in completely different ways and it's hard to reconcile them in that visual form.
 
I was actually thinking about this a few days ago after seeing some of the art for Rock n Roll Ninja.
Comics that use music as a motif don't really work for me. Just my opinion. Comics are a visual medium and music doesn't translate well into it.

Don't get me wrong, there are ways you can show movement like dancing or people playing an instrument that convey the feeling of music but for the most part the shit just doesn't work as a central theme. Seeing a drawing of a band playing with some random blurbs of text lyrics does nothing for me as a reader, especially if the band is entirely fictional and I have no frame of reference for how they might sound. You draw the Ramones playing accompanied by word balloons with the lyrics to "Commando", then I know exactly what that sounds like. Zack's rock and roll ninjas could sound like Boston or Iron Maiden or a shitty cover band that plays the VFW on the weekends.

I dunno, I just think music comics are way more miss than hit. Comics and music both play with time in completely different ways and it's hard to reconcile them in that visual form.

The music thing is usually a story trope in comics and animation that explains why a group of people get together and travel together. It almost never plays a part in the story aside from either:
1) An opening thing where they are playing together to introduce the characters
2) A bit where the characters are performing and are then attacked
3) A closing thing where the characters play a show after they defeat the story antagonist.

When I looked at Rock N Roll Ninja, it looked like Teenage Mutant Ninja Vietnam Veterans. Or
the A-Team done as a band. Or maybe both.

You are right about musical performance not translating to comics. The best that I think can be done is to show little bits of
what working doing music, being on the road and performing in clubs is like from the band perspective. Doing pages of
art of a band in static poses with lyrics printed in word balloons never seems to work.
 
I dunno, I just think music comics are way more miss than hit. Comics and music both play with time in completely different ways and it's hard to reconcile them in that visual form.
Music comics is an SJW thing. Remember Dead Beats?

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Remember deadbeats?

DO YOU REMEMBER RICHARD?!?!

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This is who you are competing with Zack. Maybe he doesnt even have to compete he could just cancel it again and try to get it into the inevitable Deadbeats 2. It looks like it could fit right in.

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Im not asking for the old Diversity and Comics Zack to come back. I just want the New Rock and Roll Richard to go away.
 
Music comics is an SJW thing. Remember Dead Beats?
A famous example was Mike Baron's Sonic Disruptors, a comic so bad it didn't even make it to the end of its 12-issue run, being canceled after 7 issues.

Another example I remember not really liking was Sean Murphy's Punk Rock Jesus. The art was good but I found the music parts took me right out of it. He's delivering a message through the medium of punk rock and it doesn't really hit right when there's no, y'know...music. It just comes off like shitty poetry accompanied by images of posturing.
 
Because Dazzler, The Archies, and Josie and the Pussycats never existed...

good point. But, I think think that those characters would be pure SJW nowadays. The Archies already are. And with Dazzler and Josie‘s band being in the music industry following the latest hip trends, it’s kind of a given.
 
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It's fucking ironic that YellowFlash2 has not once mentioned the shitty ending of AOT that is causing fans to leave the AOT ship. NOT ONCE he said anything bad about its ending. I wonder WHY!
That entire series is overrated. It's a needlessly convoluted story with no planned out trajectory, littered with abandoned plot points and inhabited by the single most bland, unlikable cast I've ever seen in a work of fiction. It illustrates its themes with the subtlety of a jackhammer and the vast majority of the protagonists' character development takes place during a time skip. I'm not even remotely surprised people were disappointed with its ending. YellowFlash2 is an idiot.
I stopped at Season 2 the supporting characters got way too annoying for me to take.
Based.
 
I was actually thinking about this a few days ago after seeing some of the art for Rock n Roll Ninja.
Comics that use music as a motif don't really work for me. Just my opinion. Comics are a visual medium and music doesn't translate well into it.

I've noticed at least 2 CG campaigns lately that have come with an accompanying synthwave soundtrack or w/e. And as a freebie stretchgoal bonus add on thing I just shrug and think sure "what does a blank CD cost?" I probably wouldn't even listen to it if I got one, whatever, some people might like that.

But for this book it could actually be a cool idea that feeds into the meta of the book to have an actual album come with it and launch an irl band. Do the like a comic equivalent of "The Monkees"

No way he's doing that though.
 
I feel like since the 80s, comic pros have been crazy, insane social outcasts and years later the only thing that really changed is they no longer think they're social outcasts because they have Twitter followers.

that’s exactly what I was thinking except I couldn’t put it into words. It’s like they were the kids that got picked on their whole lives and now they have their own cool kids club that they can pick who can and can’t join.
 
Because Dazzler, The Archies, and Josie and the Pussycats never existed...

Don't forget the comic that solidifies the 1970s as the most retarded decade, ever:

Was A KISS Comic Book Really Printed With The Band’s Blood? (Spoiler: Apparently, yep.)

Sold quite well, too...
The first KISS comic broke every comic book sales record imaginable and soon became the biggest selling comic book of all time. KISS Marvel Comics Super Special! #1 would hold that distinction for fifteen years until it was dethroned by Todd McFarlane’s, Spiderman #1 in 1990.

As an aside, I am amused that musical group in Zach's latest has no bass player, if I'm reading the picture posted right. Everybody plays lead guitar, apparently, unless six string bass is a thing. (This setup worked for The Cramps, who were also a thing in 1981, so what the hey. Obligatory Rest In Peace Lux Interior, Nick Knox etc.)
 
Because Dazzler, The Archies, and Josie and the Pussycats never existed...
good point. But, I think think that those characters would be pure SJW nowadays. The Archies already are. And with Dazzler and Josie‘s band being in the music industry following the latest hip trends, it’s kind of a given.

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Whatever they were, a Music comic today is definitely an SJW thing, in aesthetic and the writer at the very least. If you want to argue about what they were in the past have at it. What they are now is definitely an SJW Genre. Rock and Roll Richard is making a music comic now. And thus is Gay.

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The writer of the last Josie and the Pussycats (published by Archie) is Marguerite Bennett

Marguerite Bennett (born 1988)[1] is an American comic book writer. She has worked on Bombshells, Angela, Josie and the Pussycats, and her creator-owned books InSeXts and Animosity. Her work has been recognised for her depiction of female relationships,[2] and her representation of LGBTQ stories and characters earned nominations for a GLAAD Media Award in 2016[3] and 2017.[4]

Sounds Pretty SJW to me. Especially in today's market that Rock and Roll Ninja is competing in. Maybe there's a based culture warrior out there doing a Slayer Comic or something like that but the whole idea of a music comic is dumb.

The one possible exception to a Music Based SJW comic is actually from the band Disturbed (oh ah ah ah ah). They're releasing a 5 issue series based on their mascot. I haven't listened to the band since the 2000's and they might have left leaning politics now, but they're music was aggressive and their most famous song had a whole bridge screaming at their mom. So I dunno. Maybe they are SJWs?

Disturbed is excited to announce teaming up with Incendium and Heavy Metal Entertainment for the launch of Disturbed: Dark Messiah, a five-part comic book series where The Guy makes his comic book debut!
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Doesn't look like they're pitching this as a Music Comic though. They're even doing a toy!
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Disturbed: Dark Messiah takes place in the not so distant future, as firefighter Griffin DeSanto finds himself a man out of time, stumbling into a harsh world of poverty, automation, and subjugation. Technology rules and a tech empire built on suffering keeps the population in check through surveillance and mechanized policing. Though lost, Griffin is never alone. He was brought here for a reason, and The Vengeful One is his guide.

This will be the first dive into The Guy's power's, history and lore, as we see him as The Vengeful One.


As dumb as this sounds at least they're not throwing a bunch of Music notation around and pretending their readers will be able to hear it.
 
I'm even more confused about 80s Rock N Roll after watching the trailer for Walter Hill's Streets of Fire, subtitle A Rock N Roll Fable, from 1984:


Yikes! Maybe Zack made the smart choice here, using a non-audio-having medium.

Im not asking for the old Diversity and Comics Zack to come back. I just want the New Rock and Roll Richard to go away.

I came across an interesting bit of a discussion between you and Well Read from about six months ago:

Well Read apparently doesn't allow embedding for some reason:
(Edit: It's around the 1hr 2min mark)

But the short version is, Mecha and Well Read both agree that if Zack was offered a position at Marvel/DC, he would take it right away, and cheerfully bounce from the culture war.

Would anybody argue against this, at this point? Does anybody here think Zack would turn down a job offer from the Big Two?
 
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