#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Strix454]

Now do Cecil!

Is Cash Grab a year late yet?

Its eight or nine months behind. It was due in January. The last update was August 1st.
Cashgrab is kind of a special case because the whole thing was a joke from the start. A self-insert comic about a gay alcoholic wearing a gimp suit with "dick" on his forehead drawn by a real-life proud cuck. It would be for the best if it just never came out.
They need to commit to the bit and stealing all the money is the only logical ending for the project.

 

[Rupin]

Now do Cecil!

Is Cash Grab a year late yet?

Its eight or nine months behind. It was due in January. The last update was August 1st.
Cashgrab is kind of a special case because the whole thing was a joke from the start. A self-insert comic about a gay alcoholic wearing a gimp suit with "dick" on his forehead drawn by a real-life proud cuck. It would be for the best if it just never came out.
They need to commit to the bit and stealing all the money is the only logical ending for the project.

Ethan said on Nasser’s stream that Donal has finished the art for the book and that he would help Cecil fulfill the book if he needed it, so I don’t know what the hold up is. Maybe it‘s because the Ashcans and MacGuffins aren’t in yet.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Cash Grab is 242 days late which, added to its launch date on January 21st, 2020, means that two days ago the especially credulous lent their easily parted money on launch date have entered their 600th day of waiting for delivery of the 64 page "graphic novel". That said, nobody still around in that circle of Comicsgate seems to care when or if they'll get the book or not.

As noted in the "Opened" column, all but one of Comicsgate's top 12 campaigns since 2020 were launched in 2020, the only exception being Frog's action figures. Unless you don't count that since it's not a comic book, then a total of zero CG 2021 crowdfunds have cracked the top 12 of Comicsgate 2020 (although Jon Malin's Godlike will eventually get there). Also notable about the top 10 of 2020 is that of the 9 who's delivery date has come and gone, only 3 have fulfilled. Of those 3 that fulfilled, two were reprinted material (Warts and All and Unfrogettable Tales).

Comicsgate isn't about comics. Its about e-celebrity and youtube shows. People buy the comics to support the shows & personalities just like people make donations to National Public Radio and get coffee mugs. The fans don't care about the comics anymore than the people making the comics care about them. They are not paying $100 or $200 & buying endless multiple copies of the same books because they love the stories.

Crowdfunding independent comics for a non-living wage has always been possible for anyone that wants to do it. The alternative in this case though is trying to eke out a career while permanently blacklisted in a dying niche of an industry, so my stance is that beggars can't be choosers. Delivery of comics I'd argue does seem to matter somewhat, given that Graham Nolan, Art Thibert, TUG (as well as Tim Lim and Doug Ernst) and now Shane Davis', having fulfilled what they promised on time, are on an upward sales trend and raising more with their current campaigns, contrasted against Richard Meyer's non-fulfillment reducing his business to a fraction of what it was (Dan Fraga just passed Jawbreakers: Grand Bizarre this month, something that would have been an absurd suggestion in 2019 CG). To say nothing between the health of 2020 and 2021 overall. Getting people's attention by being an e-celeb and then selling them a comic is one set of skills, retaining them by delivering what was promised is another.

Frog's sustained success (Bloodhoney was extremely late yet Rekt Planet undeniably outformed it) flies in the face of this and I concede supports your stance of e-celeb over delivery primacy, but it remains to be seen if Frog is retaining customers or possibly operating on a net surplus between the churn of new people being brought in through his youtube channel vs people leaving due to wait time. He does well now; maybe if his output was more reliable that surplus would be higher and he'd be doing better.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

Hi Victoria

 

[Rupin]

Hi Victoria
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You gonna provide context or what? Shit’s fuckin weird, man.

 

[Captain Manning]

Let's be honest, Simeti, Lim and Ernst don't 'shit out' low quality work fastest. They all do very high quality work (by CG standards stellar work) and get it done on time because they take their deadlines seriously and have professional work ethics.

All true, but you're wasting your time. With respect to Lim, when Frog is cornered, he'll default to something like this:



I get that some people don't like the weeb aesthetic, but his is a weak ass argument that doesn't speak to quality, efficiency, or work ethic. Those exist in and out of weeb culture.

I interpret his reply to mean that, yes... EVS is a bit salty.

Why do you hate our Boudica?

Because Testefy told him to.

One day Jon will hopefully learn, as so many others have, that the path of the yellow triangle is a dead end.

 

[jspit2.0]

Cash Grab is 242 days late which, added to its launch date on January 21st, 2020, means that two days ago the especially credulous lent their easily parted money on launch date have entered their 600th day of waiting for delivery of the 64 page "graphic novel". That said, nobody still around in that circle of Comicsgate seems to care when or if they'll get the book or not.

That sounds kindof like a point for the Edwin/Miller/Doug's complaint that this isn't really about the comics at all.

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As noted in the "Opened" column, all but one of Comicsgate's top 12 campaigns since 2020 were launched in 2020, the only exception being Frog's action figures. Unless you don't count that since it's not a comic book, then a total of zero CG 2021 crowdfunds have cracked the top 12 of Comicsgate 2020 (although Jon Malin's Godlike will eventually get there). Also notable about the top 10 of 2020 is that of the 9 who's delivery date has come and gone, only 3 have fulfilled. Of those 3 that fulfilled, two were reprinted material (Warts and All and Unfrogettable Tales).

Definitely important to note 'eventually.' If you leave open the campaign and just take in money for long periods of time it starts to add up.

Crowdfunding independent comics for a non-living wage has always been possible for anyone that wants to do it. The alternative in this case though is trying to eke out a career while permanently blacklisted in a dying niche of an industry, so my stance is that beggars can't be choosers. Delivery of comics I'd argue does seem to matter somewhat, given that Graham Nolan, Art Thibert, TUG (as well as Tim Lim and Doug Ernst) and now Shane Davis', having fulfilled what they promised on time, are on an upward sales trend and raising more with their current campaigns, contrasted against Richard Meyer's non-fulfillment reducing his business to a fraction of what it was (Dan Fraga just passed Jawbreakers: Grand Bizarre this month, something that would have been an absurd suggestion in 2019 CG).

Which is a good counter argument that it is about the books. I'm kindof of the opinion that the big campaigns have a mix of actual readers and Gator true believers. You succeed by getting both.

To say nothing between the health of 2020 and 2021 overall. Getting people's attention by being an e-celeb and then selling them a comic is one set of skills, retaining them by delivering what was promised is another.

Frog's sustained success (Bloodhoney was extremely late yet Rekt Planet undeniably outformed it) flies in the face of this and I concede supports your stance of e-celeb over delivery primacy, but it remains to be seen if Frog is retaining customers or possibly operating on a net surplus between the churn of new people being brought in through his youtube channel vs people leaving due to wait time. He does well now; maybe if his output was more reliable that surplus would be higher and he'd be doing better.

Outperformed from number of backers or profit? I know it seems a dumb hair to split, but is it possible Bloodhoney had more backers and Ethan milked the remaining ones better on Rekt Planet? I'd also point out that he reports good sales via eBay so possibly he's restored his rep since Bloodhoney?

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

You gonna provide context or what? Shit’s fuckin weird, man.

This turd goblin is a Fandom Menace reject who became one of EVS's mentally ill super fans. Until Ethan tells this clown to fuck off, he will never leave this sphere of the internet. I personally hope he doesn't, I have too much fun trolling him.

 

[jspit2.0]

This turd goblin is a Fandom Menace reject who became one of EVS's mentally ill super fans. Until Ethan tells this clown to fuck off, he will never leave this sphere of the internet. I personally hope he doesn't, I have too much fun trolling him.View attachment 2536288

fucking 93-94? Ugh.

So he never gave a fuck about comics.

All true, but you're wasting your time. With respect to Lim, when Frog is cornered, he'll default to something like this:

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I get that some people don't like the weeb aesthetic, but his is a weak ass argument that doesn't speak to quality, efficiency, or work ethic. Those exist in and out of weeb culture.

I interpret his reply to mean that, yes... EVS is a bit salty.


Because Testefy told him too.

One day Jon will hopefully learn, as so many others have, that the path of the yellow triangle is a dead end.

Don't get too invested in this stuff.

 

[Strix454]

Outperformed from number of backers or profit? I know it seems a dumb hair to split, but is it possible Bloodhoney had more backers and Ethan milked the remaining ones better on Rekt Planet? I'd also point out that he reports good sales via eBay so possibly he's restored his rep since Bloodhoney?

Calculation of actual unique "backers" on campaigns like Rekt Planet has become nearly impossible because every campaign is like a store full of different items that the same people purchase. Things like the “Ides of March” variant cover, the toys and other stuff make it just about impossible to figure out the size of the pool backing the book.
I think Reignbow Brute provides more accurate information on the actual size of his backer pool these days. That his total addressable market is probably in the 3000-4000 backer range. But with some of those backers being willing to spend substantially more than they did on things like Bloodhoney.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Outperformed from number of backers or profit? I know it seems a dumb hair to split, but is it possible Bloodhoney had more backers and Ethan milked the remaining ones better on Rekt Planet? I'd also point out that he reports good sales via eBay so possibly he's restored his rep since Bloodhoney?

I concede it's possible, but Bloodhoney had 8566 vs Rekt Planet's 11,898 backers; Rekt Planet had more backers and did better per backer.
That said, Bloodhoney had multiple variant cover campaigns which added another ~5000 backers to the "Bloodhoney total", but undoubtedly many of those were repeat backers of various other campaigns while Rekt Planet collected every variant and feature in the $200 "Executive Honeycomb box". There's so many variables that ultimately the only definite answer regarding whether Frog's customer base is growing or shrinking is to wait and see what happens with the third installment.


In other news, Jesus fucking Christ Mike Baron just can't catch a break, can he?

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$30,000 in expenses on a campaign that grossed $8000.

 

[Newman's Own]

Ethan said on Nasser’s stream that Donal has finished the art for the book and that he would help Cecil fulfill the book if he needed it, so I don’t know what the hold up is.

Cecil doesn't really much care and he's lazy as fuck.

It's not hard to figure out. He's admitted to these character "features" since before the alcoholic launched the project.

People will get their books when Cecil figures he's used up enough good will or decides he needs to run another campaign.

Hi Victoria

You are a low IQ wannabe trolltard.

You should find a less embarrassing hobby. (not that you're capable of tearing yourself away.)

Of those 3 that fulfilled, two were reprinted material (Warts and All and Unfrogettable Tales).

Wait, there were 2 Cyberforg reprint books last year? I admit I haven't been paying attention near so much since the end of the world began but what differentiates these reprint compendiums?

They are not paying $100 or $200 & buying endless multiple copies of the same books because they love the stories.

so my stance is that beggars can't be choosers

That's reasonable but does not change the fact that Strix is absolutely correct.

The reason the CG model is not successfully transferable across comics creators is because it has very little to do with actually buying comics. If it did the better comics would be doing better and books like Cash Grab would be doing far worse. Less than $15,000 dollars "worse" arguably. But people have been donating to their favorite YouTube stars under the auspices of supporting comics pretty much this whole time. Quality of product and such do matter but only in so much as the quality of a Liberal Tears mug matters to Ben Shapiro's bottom line.

I'm pretty sure that Meyer's drop in sales has more to do with him pissing off and/or disappointing his base, not with his books (which are admittedly less appealing but only marginally so). His exit from behaviors they loved to cheer on like Twitter wars and LOLsuits has far more to do with his sales drop than the relative differential in quality between ninja rock star GIJoe and superhero King Kong fighting GIJoe.

Miller lost massive following not because of the quality of his work but because of his lost perception as being part of the club. If Mike was better at YouTube he'd be doing much better on campaigns but if he wrote better stories or was a better artist the difference would be imperceptible.

Having a voice for radio and knowing how to talk to the club is a much much more valuable skill set than making good comics or delivering in a professional or timely manner. Not that that doesn't help too. No one wants a Liberal Tears mug that won't even hold water.

Edit: If quality of product were the defining metric Baron and Rude's Nexus stuff would be destroying Cecil's numbers but people like Cecil more than Mike B.

Apparently he's "funny"...

 

[jspit2.0]

I concede it's possible, but Bloodhoney had 8566 vs Rekt Planet's 11,898 backers; Rekt Planet had more backers and did better per backer.
That said, Bloodhoney had multiple variant cover campaigns which added another ~5000 backers to the "Bloodhoney total", but undoubtedly many of those were repeat backers of various other campaigns while Rekt Planet collected every variant and feature in the $200 "Executive Honeycomb box". There's so many variables that ultimately the only definite answer regarding whether Frog's customer base is growing or shrinking is to wait and see what happens with the third installment.


In other news, Jesus fucking Christ Mike Baron just can't catch a break, can he?

Nexus: The Coming of Gourmando

Nexus The Newspaper Strip Volume 1 now collected in one massive collection of over 300 pages! | Check out 'Nexus: The Coming of Gourmando' on Indiegogo.

www.indiegogo.com

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$30,000 in expenses on a campaign that grossed $8000.

Calculation of actual unique "backers" on campaigns like Rekt Planet has become nearly impossible because every campaign is like a store full of different items that the same people purchase. Things like the “Ides of March” variant cover, the toys and other stuff make it just about impossible to figure out the size of the pool backing the book.
I think Reignbow Brute provides more accurate information on the actual size of his backer pool these days. That his total addressable market is probably in the 3000-4000 backer range. But with some of those backers being willing to spend substantially more than they did on things like Bloodhoney.

Cecil doesn't really much care and he's lazy as fuck.

It's not hard to figure out. He's admitted to these character "features" since before the alcoholic launched the project.

People will get their books when Cecil figures he's used up enough good will or decides he needs to run another campaign.


You are a low IQ wannabe trolltard.

You should find a less embarrassing hobby. (not that you're capable of tearing yourself away.)


Wait, there were 2 Cyberforg reprint books last year? I admit I haven't been paying attention near so much since the end of the world began but what differentiates these reprint compendiums?




That's reasonable but does not change the fact that Strix is absolutely correct.

The reason the CG model is not successfully transferable across comics creators is because it has very little to do with actually buying comics. If it did the better comics would be doing better and books like Cash Grab would be doing far worse. Less than $15,000 dollars "worse" arguably. But people have been donating to their favorite YouTube stars under the auspices of supporting comics pretty much this whole time. Quality of product and such do matter but only in so much as the quality of a Liberal Tears mug matters to Ben Shapiro's bottom line.

I'm pretty sure that Meyer's drop in sales has more to do with him pissing off and/or disappointing his base, not with his books (which are admittedly less appealing but only marginally so). His exit from behaviors they loved to cheer on like Twitter wars and LOLsuits has far more to do with his sales drop than the relative differential in quality between ninja rock star GIJoe and superhero King Kong fighting GIJoe.

Miller lost massive following not because of the quality of his work but because of his lost perception as being part of the club. If Mike was better at YouTube he'd be doing much better on campaigns but if he wrote better stories or was a better artist the difference would be imperceptible.

Having a voice for radio and knowing how to talk to the club is a much much more valuable skill set than making good comics or delivering in a professional or timely manner. Not that that doesn't help too. No one wants a Liberal Tears mug that won't even hold water.

Sad to hear about Mike Baron.

My perception was BloodHoney had a larger audience, but that could have just been the crazy number of campaigns he ran. I could be wrong and I'm not really solid one way the other. I guess we'll see.

Has anyone heard anything on Earthworm Jim? I'd imagine the rights holders aren't happy with Doug right now so I wonder if that's why he hasn't done anything more on that front.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Because Testefy told him to.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Liam calling me "alt-right racist" on repeat for years and a "pedophile". If he wants to chill and be a (brother in Christ), I'm happy to. Let him know since you seem to be his friend now.

I do my own thing, no one tells me what to do, but when these fat turds like Liam and Micah talk shit for no reason, I go hard. That's why I streamed for half an hour about tennis yesterday, cuz I care about tennis and I have fun with it. Hail Queen Emma.

 

[The Holmes]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Liam calling me "alt-right racist" on repeat for years and a "pedophile". If he wants to chill and be a (brother in Christ), I'm happy to. Let him know since you seem to be his friend now.

I do my own thing, no one tells me what to do, but when these fat turds like Liam and Micah talk shit for no reason, I go hard. That's why I streamed for half an hour about tennis yesterday, cuz I care about tennis and I have fun with it. Hail Queen Emma.

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If being friends with Liam is enough to force you to use extra strength tampons for that sensitive, bleeding anus of yours, I'm going to be friends with him now as well, and encourage everyone else to do so. Enjoy your tennis you fucking cry-tit.

 

[Captain Manning]

Don't get too invested in this stuff.

I'm not. In fact, that's my point.

It's fun to tweak Ethan's nose about KA's success, but without some degree of intellectual honesty on his part, I think it's a waste of time to try and actually convince him he's wrong.

I only mention this because Newman's reply to EVS is so well reasoned that I think it's, sadly, wasted.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Liam calling me "alt-right racist" on repeat for years and a "pedophile".

The question was about Boudica, Jon. Pay attention.

Let him know since you seem to be his friend now.

I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist Party Liam's fanclub.

Seriously though, I have never even had a single conversation with the lying grifting faggot. Ever.

Let me guess: Testefy is claiming that anybody that sided with Stu and D&V over him is now somehow associated with Liam?

Disappointing, Though perhaps not unexpected.

He does love his wackadoodle conspiracy theories. It's a shame you just lap up whatever crap he puts in front of you. I've been a gullible person at times, but your gullibility is apparently greater.

 

[Newman's Own]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Liam calling me "alt-right racist" on repeat for years and a "pedophile". If he wants to chill and be a (brother in Christ), I'm happy to. Let him know since you seem to be his friend now.

Question: Why do you hate Vikki.

JDA: LIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!! MIIIIIIIIICHAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!! Let's talk about tennis.


Edit:

I only mention this because Newman's reply to EVS is so well reasoned that I think it's, sadly, wasted.

I quit trying to "reason" with EVS in early 2019. I fought with him for a time. Now I just comment on the show.

It's much better this way.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

The question was about Boudica, Jon. Pay attention.

Sorry, I lose track of whose pet names refer to whom.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Wait, there were 2 Cyberforg reprint books last year? I admit I haven't been paying attention near so much since the end of the world began but what differentiates these reprint compendiums?

The Unfrogettable Tales campaign were a pair of chrome/foil covered reprints of some very rare Cyberfrog issues. Warts and All was a very competitively priced ($30 USD) omnibus collecting all ~450 pages or so of the original Cyberfrog comics.

That's reasonable but does not change the fact that Strix is absolutely correct.

The reason the CG model is not successfully transferable across comics creators is because it has very little to do with actually buying comics. If it did the better comics would be doing better and books like Cash Grab would be doing far worse. Less than $15,000 dollars "worse" arguably. But people have been donating to their favorite YouTube stars under the auspices of supporting comics pretty much this whole time. Quality of product and such do matter but only in so much as the quality of a Liberal Tears mug matters to Ben Shapiro's bottom line.

Sure, but that argument could be applied to any entertainment medium where effective marketing is a factor. "I guess TV viewers don't really care about TV because NCIS is getting way more eyeballs than Westworld". I can think of hundreds of comics within Comicsgate alone that are better than Cash Grab could ever possibly be, but after one sees the first 100 or so projects that fail to crack $10,000 come and go, it gets more difficult not to start holding the people who launch these campaigns with no means of marketing themselves or their comics, just expecting people to show up like some Fields of Dreams shit, a little bit responsible when they're sitting there in an empty cornfield with their fucking dick in their hand. If there's anything I've learned from sperging over Comicsgate sales numbers, it's that if you're going to be a self-employed creator of anything, the reality is you are responsible for marketing your own product. Whether it's "fair" that worse comics marketed better do better has nothing to do with it, either you accept that you need a plan to sell your creation or accept that this is a hobby and not a profession. Right now SubStack is shelling out six figures for people to blog and make webcomics; I wholly recommend anyone take advantage of that if they can.

To compare the fortunes of three creators who left CG: Tim Lim went touring conventions and building the Kamen America brand with a constant stream of quality output. Doug Ernst went on OLN to give interviews and toured online Catholic communities to promote Soulfinder while actively maintaining his channel. They took risks switching from crowdfunding to putting up the investment capital themselves with Iconic Comics. Smiller continued to stream his farting around in his den on interminable marathon livestreams set at the peak viewing hours that are 10PM-4AM on a goddamn workday. Yet Mike is a far better artist than Tim Lim, I guess Lim's fans don't really care about comics.

 

[Captain Manning]

Sorry, I lose track of whose pet names refer to whom.

Oh, it's very simple.

Around here, Boudica is the shortened name for:

Victoria I, slayer of the gamma male Jon Del Arroz, bane of the yellow triangle, by the grace of God Queen of Comicsgates, head of dog grooming, defender of the lulz.

Enjoy your tennis.

Spoiler: Prepare Eye Bleach